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@Animasta: Well obviously I disagree. Obama will push us off the cliff, Romney MAY not. And no I just have some dignity and respect for others.

@TruthTellah: That's a good point. But the reason I frame it this way is because I prefer simplicity. I don't like polls to get too convoluted. Sadly liberalism is baked into the cake though, they'll just vote "all Obama". So I think the change would be a wash. If you make it simple, at least people have only one or two choices and MUST choose. So that's my thinking.

@MariachiMacabre: You would too if they threw a gotcha at you. We all know what Romney was referring to and what Obama was referring too. His UN speech told either how much he is lying, or how incompetent Obama is.

@Animasta: At least I've never used a curse word when referring to President Obama. I don't stoop that low.

@Animasta: Libya speaks for itself. I am biased dude. Just like you. Obama gained his mojo back. It was a tie. It was a Romney win in MY eyes, just like it was an Obama win in all liberal eyes. We'll see what Independents say about it.

All people throwing out jokes are not the people who will matter in this election.

@TruthTellah said:

@astrotriforce: You should close this and add "Neither" to this. Having only two selections is a bad way to conduct a poll like this; it leads to more partisanship and less actually useful information.

Even better, divide it as: Obama won by a lot, Obama won by a little, Romney won by a lot, Romney won by a little, or Neither won.

No because it's about who WON. If you thought it was a tie, then don't vote. It's about who won. If you put neither in, everyone will pick that and we won't know who "won".

@Animasta: Everyone knows Obama wasn't referring to a terrorist attack. See his UN speech. He said "acts of terror" like someone who mugs another person in the streets. Yes that's an act of terror. We all know Obama's lies and spin should be the focus, which is why they are focusing on this parsing of the word "terror".

@Guided_By_Tigers: It was a draw, but I'd give the edge to Romney myself. Here's how I put it. Obama gained his mojo back, but didn't blunt Romney's momentum.

@SexyToad said:

We have a thread on this topic already.

This isn't a discussion thread, it's a poll asking who won between the two.

@TooWalrus said:

Like I said in that other thread, I listened on the radio, and there may have been some Nixon/Kennedy effect going on, but it sounded like Biden fuckin' steamrolled Ryan, who sounded flustered and out-of-his-league the whole time. Like others have said, he sounded like he was trying to sell me a car, like he was talking out of his ass the whole time. I guess on the TV broadcast, Biden came off as an aggressive asshole (but honestly, that's fine with me.)

That's really interesting.

You have to remember that Paul Ryan was two years old when Joe Biden first became a Senator. The dude IS Washington. He's ran for President himself in the past. This was, for all intents and purposes, Ryan's first rodeo. He is now in the "Freshman Senator running for the big leagues" position that Obama was in previously.

Guys remember that these are OPINIONS. Of course I'm biased towards Paul Ryan, I'm a Conservative for crying out loud. I'm no independent. Having said that, I try to remain open and if I thought Biden won the debate I would've said so. But let's remember that not everyone is a liberal, and not everyone is a Conservative. I chose Conservatism just like you choose Liberalism or Libertarianism or whatever. But that doesn't mean you need to denigrate the other side and say horrible things about them. It's two different clear visions for where we want the country to go.

I really respect Obama for how he has maintained an upstanding, moral image, been a strong family man and a great father, and raising the standards of the nation as a whole in becoming the first African American President and achieving the highest office in the land. I'll proudly display his photo on my wall along with the other Presidents. I'd much rather young blacks look up in hope at what they can aspire to be in Obama, than any many of the other media figures that are available to them today in the rap culture or what-have-you. Of course, I'll just as quickly point to Condeleezza Rice, Colin Powell, Alan West and other figures, but Obama achieved the unthinkable and thus he gets top nods.

Anyway, to finish my point on why America should turn to Romney Ryan from Obama Biden, I'll quote a Hispanic voter from Florida in a piece from the Tampa Bay Times who is now voting for Romney:

"We ran away from other countries in search of a more traditional United States," said Coral Gables resident Mary Gonzalez, who immigrated from Venezuela. "I think with the current president, the United States moves to the Left. And with Romney, I believe he can return the United States to its traditional course."

@Nightriff: You're welcome. Yeah, I love looking at polls and stats. Romney is now ahead or tied in a lot of the battleground states he was previously behind in. It will be very interesting to see how the two sides match up in the next debate. If Obama doesn't deliver a decisive knock-out-punch it's looking more and more like a Romney win in November to me.

Someone quoted this Bible verse regarding the Biden Ryan debate. I think it sums it up pretty well.

"When a wise person debates with a fool, the fool rages and laughs, and there is no peace and quiet." Proverbs 29:9