A Pryer for the Blades...

Inspired by TrueEnglishGent's blog post i wrote this:

"Ashes to ashes. Disks to Dust.

Our Halo who aren't spinning wildly.
Hallowed be thy silence.
In the name of the FPS, the RPG and the HDMI
Bring it on..."


I thought it was mildly amusing.

We at beatbritish talked about the NXE on sundays podcast (which can be found here), but we didnt talk about what we liked about the blade system. I LOVED the blade system, one of the things I raved about when I first got my Xbox was the UI (I love a good UI, -thank you Apple too!). I honestly think one of the things that make a console popular now is a really good UI. Personally I think the UI for the Wii is a bit pants. No focus. The PS3 I hear is functional, but it's similar to the PSP one and that UI has too many levels. Took me ages to find some of the options. Plus text input is really pants.

I hope Microsoft don't bugger it up. They've had a good run so far; will the "re-invention" of the xbox be it's downfall?

We shall wait and see....

BD

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Posted by BinaryDragon

Inspired by TrueEnglishGent's blog post i wrote this:

"Ashes to ashes. Disks to Dust.

Our Halo who aren't spinning wildly.
Hallowed be thy silence.
In the name of the FPS, the RPG and the HDMI
Bring it on..."


I thought it was mildly amusing.

We at beatbritish talked about the NXE on sundays podcast (which can be found here), but we didnt talk about what we liked about the blade system. I LOVED the blade system, one of the things I raved about when I first got my Xbox was the UI (I love a good UI, -thank you Apple too!). I honestly think one of the things that make a console popular now is a really good UI. Personally I think the UI for the Wii is a bit pants. No focus. The PS3 I hear is functional, but it's similar to the PSP one and that UI has too many levels. Took me ages to find some of the options. Plus text input is really pants.

I hope Microsoft don't bugger it up. They've had a good run so far; will the "re-invention" of the xbox be it's downfall?

We shall wait and see....

BD

Posted by ColMustard

cool... Im hesitant to sign in tomorrow... I think I'll let the dust settle a bit and then jump in.  All those fuck ups that Sony had with the ps3 firmware update have me thinking I should wait a bit.

Posted by brukaoru

There's no way it will be their "downfall." I also don't mind the interface for PSP or PS3, but like you, I did really like the blade system. I think it will all be good in the long run.

Nice poem by the way too, :P

Edited by BinaryDragon

Hmm, but Microsoft don't have a good track record with new UI's. Look at vista.......


Edit: I really don't get why this got a negative. Is it the following posts? ...maybe I'm fighting a loosing battle.

Posted by diz
BinaryDragon said:
"Hmm, but Microsoft don't have a good track record with new UI's. Look at vista......."
And DOS, Windows, 3.1, Workgroups, Windows 95, 98, NT and XP?
What an awful track record....

/sarcasm


Posted by BinaryDragon

Windows Me, Windows Vista, XP Home?

(DOS wasn't wholely a microsoft product BTW)

Don't go High and mighty on me bucko, apple has a MUCH better track record. But hey so do the Linix crowd, mainly because they think before they make a UI.

I was asking the question if Microsoft has made these mistakes in the past, why did they repeat them with Vista? Hmm?

NXE is OK. But moving options around is annoying (I'm looking at you themes!) and I still can't find where to edit out zero point games....

Edited by diz

Bill Gates wrote DOS. He licenced it to IBM... Do let me know your DOS news...

Apple is also part-owned by Microsoft, to the tune of 150 million dollars.

Remember the Apple OS10 debacle? That was Steve Jobs tryng to implement his NeXtStep Unix based OS on a new Apple hardware platform - A total OS re-write and initially an upgrade nightmare on a proprietory platform! Linux is unsupprted and provided "as-is". The community is small and the various interfaces you can get for it have no clear advantages over the current MS or Apple OS interface.

I'm not aware of the terrible Vista issues you describe. Since PC hardware is non-proprietory, I'm surprised there are not more upgrade errors for PC operating systems. Many upgrade errors are made on harware not on the compatibility list of tested hardware.

Since all 360s are similar (although may have different motherboards and disk capacities), M$ are dealing with more of a known quantity in their consoles.

There's no need to get all defensive.
Posted by Steven

I don't understand Vista hate, I think it's much better than XP.  And I think NXE is pretty awesome too.  Maybe I just like new stuff.

Posted by BinaryDragon
diz said:
"Bill Gates wrote DOS. He licenced it to IBM... Do let me know your DOS news...
Apple is also part-owned by Microsoft, to the tune of 150 million dollars.

Remember the Apple OS10 debacle? That was Steve Jobs tryng to implement his NeXtStep Unix based OS on a new Apple hardware platform - A total OS re-write and initially an upgrade nightmare on a proprietory platform! Linux is unsupprted and provided "as-is". The community is small and the various interfaces you can get for it have no clear advantages over the current MS or Apple OS interface.

I'm not aware of the terrible Vista issues you describe. Since PC hardware is non-proprietory, I'm surprised there are not more upgrade errors for PC operating systems. Many upgrade errors are made on harware not on the compatibility list of tested hardware.

Since all 360s are similar (although may have different motherboards and disk capacities), M$ are dealing with more of a known quantity in their consoles.

There's no need to get all defensive.
"
Ok so I wrote a fantastic retort and hit the backspace button only for it it make the window go back. Arrg.


Part owned by MS? You know as well as I do that doesn't mean anything 150 million is a piss in the wind to try and put out a fire - it's bloody useless and if you're not careful you'll be looking like you've wet yourself (well maybe not exactly but you get the point). MS has no push with apple AT ALL. I'm pretty sure it's a conflict of interest and a tad illegal.


The "OS 10" debacle? Although it had it's bumps it didn't have any effect on there image to the average consumer. Look at what happened to Vista: Firstly the stupid Idea of releasing 5 different versions of the same platform, then for those running XP a little app that would tell you if you could run vista would tell you you could. Neglecting to mention that it only ment the basic version which would cause your machine to run slower than when it was running their previous OS.

Then the fact that MS have started promoing WIndows 7. Which give the impression to the average consumer (and the not so average consumer for that matter) that they have lost faith in vista altogether.

You have to admit Microsoft is the King, Queen hell the whole ROYAL FAMILY of that little fuck up island.

The DOS thing I didn't know I thought it was an IBM (note to self reseach net time...) You are right. However DOS wasn't completely user friendly, but nothing really was back then.

Linix has (thanks to a fantastic comunity) the best support in the world hundreds of thousands of people willing to help you if you have a problem and answers probebly before you even get through to someone at Microsoft tech support (or apple for that matter). Linix's UI is designed by it's users. IsoFacto...it's UI is perfect for it's users (mostly).

I wasn't being defensive, just like a good debate. :D Maybe I was a little strong, sorry....


But looking back on my original post I was really talking about the fact that I don't know if a design change was a good idea. Some of the design changes in vista were weird, especially in the control panel. I've already come accross TWO problems, that's TWO too many on it's first day. But it's not too bad. And at least it's pretty.... :P
Edited by diz

You first admit that you wrote a post you wanted to retract, then go on to defend it. OK, then:

The history behind M$ investment in Apple. Apple were about to go bust due to Microsoft domination of the desk-top operating system. US federal intervention anti-competition legislation forced Microsoft to buy Apple out so it wouldn't go bust.

OS10 failed badly because most apps would not work with it. There was no backwards compatibility. All the industrial apps where Mac had dominated (DTP and graphic design) had to be re-written and the first versions were buggy. Mac users and corporations were forced to upgrade all their hardware and app software.

The different versions of Windows offer different levels of functionality, just like XP and NT did before it They also come at different price points. Traditionally and rather obviously, user infterface upgrades are more processor and memory intensive, so would slow a computer down. Windows 7 is not an available product, so I can't understand why you bring it up, unless you're blowing out your arse.

Try getting some Linux support to use the driver for your MP3 player/printer/other peripheral from the Linux community. You may get love and sympathy, but rarely will someone rustle up a device driver for you. There are various Linux UIs - Linux is the core "PC UNIX" text-based operating system (like DOS). Red Hat is one sort of graphical shell that runs on top of it (like Windows 3.x). There are a number of these interfaces, some of which charge for support and purchase. So I'm not sure what you mean when you say "the UI is designed by it's users". That sounds as if you don't understand Linux.

I'm also speaking as someone who has used Vista in thier work, but uses XP at home, since I prefer functionality over the slick interface improvements in Vista.

I inferred your defensiveness from "high and mighty, bucko". The history of computing is fascinating and well worth some research (especially prior research). Do you know that the mouse and pointer human interface was invented in the late 1960's by Xerox in the PARC research labs?

Posted by BinaryDragon

But FIVE VERSIONS? REALLY?

There was backwards compatibility in OS 10, it wasn't perfect but it was there. OS 10 didn't "fail badly" it's still popular and it has a very high reliablity factor. Vista doesn't. Just the other day I was listening to Buzz Out Loud and Molly Wood was saying how she has noticed that Vista has started to be sluggish. She's only had it 8 months or something.

Microsoft did indeed "Buyout" apple. But it's share in apple is not longer majority. Apple is in great shape now. And Microsoft are STILL in dept on their 360s the ipod, iphone and macbooks are all making money.

It's not a question of if microsoft is making money. It whether it was a good idea to move so much around. Ala Vista.


High and Mighty bucko was ment to be 'light hearted and funny..." Sorry if it didn't come accross that way.

I did know about the XEROX thing. Did you know that the first 'Computer' was invented in England during the early 1900? But it was classified so long that the "glory" went to american inventors! :D

Edited by diz

There are more than 5 versions, since there are also 32 bit and 64 bit versions of Vista... I can't see how having multiple versions is bad - I thought it served M$ customers for their differing requirements. Do home users really want user based file security?

Do you think there's some sort of time-delay slow-down in XP? Could the slow-down AFTER 18 MONTHS have been due to something else instead? Oh, and Vista is more popular than OSX in terms of sales and users.

Now they fixed OSX, its quite stable, seeing as its based on UNIX. Judging by the sounds of you, you have no idea about OSX's COMPLETE lack of backwards compatibility with prior Apple OS apps and drivers.

Apple is in great shape because of the iPod and iPhone, not the Mac computer. I don't quite understand why you mention a company financial  overview - I think you miss Microsofts huge overall profitability and the profits from M$ owned dev studios.

You put your foot in it YET AGAIN, by getting the date of the first computer wrong. Babbage's difference engine was created in the mid 1800's! My understanding is that the "glory" of invention does rightly go to the British - especially from their work at Bletchley Park in the 1940's.

I'm not sure where you get your computing knowledge from , but it does seem like you make it up as you go along...



Posted by BinaryDragon

Vista's multiple versions were confusing to the average user. It's NOT widely trusted, look at what M$ did witht the mohavie experiment.

The Macbooks are in constant profit now, apple are in great shape because because their products are stable simple to use and sexy. You know that giantbomb runs almost (if not completely) on macs? OSX DID have a backwards compatibility shell for os9, if you look it up it wasn't very reliable but it was there.

Perhaps I wasn't clear, the Babbage engine was indeed a "computer" Rebuilt by the London Science museum but I was referring to the electronic computer we know now rather than for it's a original term of something which 'computes'.

Early 1900 to me is anything before 1950, the computers used in the war were classified till long after we 'won'. Meaning other inventors got credit for their 'first' discovery of the technology.

I'm not 'making it up'.

I feel like perhaps you are being defensive and that you seem to have a deep dislike for macs. There great, I've been using them for over 18 years! Same with PCs. The middle way. It's the best.

Edited by diz
Surely, a company with the product experience and marketting savvy of Microsoft would know more about consumer product compartmentalisation than you do. When you speak of the average user, you infer the "majority", but really just mean "yourself".

Or perhaps it is difficult for the "average" customer to differentiate between "Home" and "Business" versions... Perhaps you'd like to discuss installed user bases when you talk about Vista "not being trusted". Personally, I can't understand the Mac range, but don't consider it a valid argument, despite your own insistance that the range of Vista OSs somehow compromises it.


The Difference engine does compute. To everyone else, the early 1900's means from 1900, or soon after - Not the 1940s or even 1850's! The fact that early computing research was classified at the time does not negate the fact that it happened. Please let me kow who you think invented the computer. I guess you think it was Apple, not Alan Turing and Tommy Flowers....

You've made up loads of stuff and are making a complete fool of yourself in this thread. Giantbomb runs on Macs? Really? Its developed and designed on Macs, sure. Content updates are made on Macs. Far more are made by PC users editing the site, by percentage. But do you really think this site is hosted on Macs? How is the Apple server business doing?

I love Macs too. I have even played games on them! I just disapprove of the default hateful, high horsed, anti-Microsoft bile that many/most Mac users have for Microsoft. This is especially true since Apple would not even exist any more without Microsoft's financial involvement. Many people, like yourself, that vent their wrath at M$ don't seem to understand the historybetween the organisations. 

Much as I like them, I've never actually bought a Mac. My latest laptop cost 300 quid from Dell and it does all I want it to. The cheapest Mac (that also uses a cheapo INTEL processor!) is twice the price for half the spec. I've also not bought an iPod since I prefer the lack of licencing and content ownership hassles via the CD ripping mp3 route.

Where have I been defensive? I am only pointing out that M$ is not the only company that has caused software upgrade issues. This is all about your hatred for M$, PCs and your blind Apple fanboyism, so your transference is understandable...
Posted by BinaryDragon

I don't hate microsoft, but most users are confused by the multitude of Versions. Market research has proven this and I would bet a good £20 that they won't release that many next time around. I have THREE PCs one of which I built from scratch. I don't hate M$ I just don't think vista was implemented correctly. You however seem to be completely bias against Macs.

Early 1900 to me is the period of the first two world wars, that's just how I am. So sorry.

Xsevers are fantastic, running in a stable environment. Check out the EXTENSIVE range.  Looks like you haven't done your research..... Mac servers are fab.

Hey I never said that M$ is the ONLY company that makes fuck ups. Mac have made a few (I don't like the new laptops -glossy screen isn't a favorate for many).

The problem I'm having with this thread is at no point have you said you agree with anything I've said. Even though some of it s true. Hey I posted this becasue I wrote a silly poem and wanted to talk about the interface changes and which ones were good and which ones were odd choices. I have conceded to some of your knowledge and points, but i think your general bias towards anything non M$ is rather negative.

Yeah Giantbomb DOES run on macs. Yes the user content prob has a large M$ percentage. But that's users. I don't know if GB runs on mac servers and right now I just don't care. Posting back to you feels like trying to talk to a brick wall. I'm sorry, but chill out.

I got caught up in the tornado of conversation, typed before I thought.


I just wanted to share a poem.. :(

Edited by diz

Oh, here you go talking about "most users" again, as if they've all spoken to you. Show me this research "proof", else you're a liar who hides behind hokey statistics.

How you personally refer to historical dates is your business, but don't be surprised if others can't understand or don't believe your date information. Personally, I still think you're trying to cover up for not knowing who invented the computer, or when - but I'm sure that's just me.

Why are xservers so great? Is it the price? How big do you think the xserver market share is? You should know that most web servers run on unix or linux. What gave you the idea that I didn't know about xservers? You accuse me of not doing research when its clear that you don't know what is so "fab" about the technology you expouse.

You never said M$ are the only company that makes fuck-ups, but you did say "Microsoft don't have a good track record with UIs". That statement is utter bollocks, as I hope I''ve shown you.

What have you said that I can agree with? That bit about DOS ownership? The denial, then acceptance of M$ fininacial involvement in Apple? The great driver support you think Linux has? That OSX is backwardly compatible? (if it is, why have emulators?) Computers were invented in early 1900? That I now have a negative bias about M$?????

How do you know Giantbomb runs on Macs? I'd have thought its probably unix or linux web servers, as I suggested earlier. I guess what web sites "run" on means how they are designed to you? To most IT types, it means the underlying technology that serves up the pages.

If you post something before researching or thinking about it (as you admit you have for the third time), perhaps its yout that should chill out rather than I. At least, read your posts first before clicking that beckoning "Post Reply" button down there.


EDIT:
I'd have thought most Vista users would not have had a hard choice about versions, since it's mostly pre-installed on PC hardware.

If I agreed with everything you said, this thread would have been far less fun. Also, there are other threads about the NXE interface changes here, which BTW I think are beneficial and expand the operability of the 360 (like XNA). The upgrade also went real smooth for me. How ' bout you?

We've written a small book this thread!
 


Posted by wefwefasdf
diz said:

How do you know Giantbomb runs on Macs? I'd have thought its probably unix or linux web servers, as I suggested earlier. I guess what web sites "run" on means how they are designed to you? To most IT types, it means the underlying technology that serves up the pages.
"
Because Jeff said so. Seriously... you two need to chill out.
Posted by diz
SpikeSpiegel said:
"diz said:

How do you know Giantbomb runs on Macs? I'd have thought its probably unix or linux web servers, as I suggested earlier. I guess what web sites "run" on means how they are designed to you? To most IT types, it means the underlying technology that serves up the pages.
"
Because Jeff said so. Seriously... you two need to chill out."
I remember him saying it was "built" on macs, I don't remember anything about the site running on macs, or even Apple xservers!
Thanks for your advice anyhoo.


Posted by BinaryDragon

Err, wow.

Dude. Seriously.

We are NEVER going to change each others minds. Like EVER, so here is my idea.

Agree to disagree, agree hell agree that marmite is a substance that is equally viewed as good and bad. I don't care.

I didn't expect a reply. and I'm done.

Oh, If it makes you feel any better 'you win'.

You still haven't mentioned my poem though.... :(

Edited by diz

Funily enough, I can take or leave marmite!


I'm not here for the mind changing - just to throw a few facts your way. If you don't like them, that's up to you.

Don't start me on the poem - it doesn't even rhyme. Prose?


Posted by BinaryDragon

All fact comes with opinion on these forums, internet human nature.

it was a parody on the 'lords prayer'

cretin... lol.

Posted by diz

The lords prayer isn't a poem, its a prayer....

How does your cheap resort to insult look now?


Posted by BinaryDragon

Dude, some of the best poetry of our time doesn't rthyme at all. Benjamin Z, Shakespeare, Philip Larkin to name a few...

Cretin... :)

Posted by Bulldog19892
Seriously.
Posted by BinaryDragon
Bulldog19892 said:
"
Seriously.
"
lol! :D
Edited by BinaryDragon
"O Romeo, Romeo wherefore art thou Romeo?
Deny thy father and refuse thy name;
Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love,
And I'll no longer be a Capulet."


This is one of the most famous pledges of the heart. Is not a prayer a pledge of the soul? I would argue that the heart and soul of a being are linked, therefore a prayer is a poem of the spirit, heart and soul.

Lords prayer is then a poem. No?

:D
Posted by diz

I guess irony's lost on you - even more than computing history. Or, you are indeed a fool for thinking I dont know about non-rhyming poetry, even though I specifically mentioned prose.

You just carry wittering on about spitiuality, love and the soul, as if triple posting makes you seem like a normal rational being.

You seem very angry for a buddhist. (Note the spelling - I thought practioners would at least be able to spell the name of their faith.)



 
Edited by BinaryDragon

I'm not angry, YOU seem unable to understand the difference between anger and debate. "Cretin" was implied as poking fun (check the smiley next to it) I suppose that sometimes written words can come across as 'angry'. I didn't mean them to be. I didn't type in all caps. He I even through in the occasional joke. :S

My 'wittering' (seriously? what?!) is an expression of what I believe, my point still stands prayer is poetry. Prose or not.

Triple posting is to do with my shit internet at work (sorry), I thought that second post had been lost, which firefox posted for me for some unknown reason. So i've deleted it as it repeats an answer.

The spelling thing is actually quite insulting, I'm dyslexic. Spelling is not easy for me and some times I miss stuff when I proof read (for the record I believe if you're going to correct me, Buddhist should have a capital B, but hey you'll probably insult me some other way for that comment too) . -thanks for insulting my disability AND my faith. Aren't you the big man...

This conversation has left it's original floor and sky-rocketed into you insulting me and me retorting. Some of my arguements have had merit (not all and I have admitted that freely) However you've not recognized any of my solid points. Instead you resort to side remarks, nit-picking and name calling. Not to mention your complete disregard for my feelings.

It is greatly sad that you could not refrian from personal attack.

I like my Mac, I like my Xbox 360, I like my Wii, I like my PS2 (can't afford a PS3). My homebuilt PC runs XP, I love it. I run both Mac and PC. Both have their pros and cons. We all have slight baises, but I am not (and I paraphrase here) "a blind Apple fanboy".

What's the point nower days? I'd never get to see all that this world has to offer. :)

Edit: just to check, are you childish enough that you are marking your own posts up and mine down for the fact that I have an opinion? And if not. Who is? Seems a little closed minded.

Is a minus really deserved by "lol! :D". Seems not..

Edited by diz

Your transference is remarkable.

Its you who have supplied the insults. If you excuse them by implying you are poking fun, then that makes you insensitive at best. Please re-cap the solid points you've made that I have disagreed with. Perhaps you are not a blind Apple fanboy, but you did come across as one earlier in the thread. As you say, sometimes written words can come across differently than intended. Aside from that claim, please point out where I have attacked you personally.

At this point, I don't believe you are a dyslexic for two reasons:

  • Your spelling up-to-date has been perfectly reasonable (above average) and not shown any of the classic traits for dyslexia. You have written reams in this thread, at quite a rate. Only a few posts ago, you were quoting Shakespeare's sonnets.
  • If you were dyslexic, you would not be offended by such criticism of what is a very hard word to spell, since you would have valid reasons to mis-spell it. I'd assume a dyslexic Buddhist would know the way the Buddhism is spelt, while paying extra attention because of their dyslexia.

But why should you care what I think? I could also raise exactly the same outrage at you for telling me my capitalisation is not right for Buddhists. But I won't...

The triple-posting thing can be resolved easily, by clicking the "edit" button on your previous post.

The point about prayer being poetry is a subjective evaluation and therefore moot, but you can have that one if you like. 

You've said that you like a good debate several times in this thread. I wonder why you turn to personal attacks against my "insults" by playing the injured party, when your tirades are at least as inflammatory as mine are.

Nice way to end - on another attack, inferring I'm childish for marking something up. Aside from not understanding what you mean, I hope I've shown I'm quite capable of expressing myself with words.

Do you use Vista at all?
Posted by BinaryDragon

I really am dyslexic, I use spell check in Firefox. Over the years I have combated it, thusly through the powers of education I have (almost) beaten it. As a dyslexic I am constantly battling the idea that there is only one form. I can't spell very well and my sight reading has issues sometimes.

I wasn't quoting Shakespeare's sonnets. That would seem very obvious "O Romeo, Romeo wherefore art thou Romeo"? - Romeo and Juliet. One of the most famous plays ever written (this I know you will agree with). The reason I quoted Shakespeare is because I studied it for 3 years at Uni. Yes that's how much I overcame my dyslexia (and I'm damn proud).

I find it a little subject that you deny me the idea that I am a Buddhist. I am one.

Purely on an academic pov prayer has all the characteristics of poetry. Metre, rhythm and musicality. I don't think it's subjective, I think people have being saying that prayer from all walks of different religions is poetic. - I am not saying it concrete, but it's a very strong argument.

My point about the Vista capable program is what I've been grabbing at. It was a program thought up by Microsoft to have 'guidelines' for what machines could and couldn't run vista. Currently Microsoft is on court with a few computer manufacturers because they changed it mid flow. (links here and here). This program LIED to the consumer as to whether said user would be able to run "Vista" competently. This wouldn't have been a problem if they had just released ONE version, people either would have been able to use it or not (more than likely there would have to be two versions for those with a 64bit chip as you said). My other issue is why did they move and rename 'add remove programs' - I'm the techie of the family and fix computers for my family/friends when they go caput. This was REALLY annoying it's not under a obvious name, seems odd that they'd change such a user friendly visual recognition process.

I dealt with the triple post when I deleted the post I didn't realize that it was double posted till I read your post (that's a little crazy to read out loud, try it - lots of P's good for the lips), promptly deleted one which I mentioned.

I don't run vista because I can't afford it. XP is arguably more stable with less unknown software holes, this comes with an operating system's age all mildly complicated OSs have this issue until they have been out a few years. Plus according to the vista capable program I can 'run vista'. But according to my research I can't run aero, or bitlocker (two features with I think are worth it) so I'm waiting till I can upgrade my entire rig; which is really expensive as I need a new mobo and CPU.

What's this all about Transference? Instead of replying at my point on prayer is poetry, you insult the idea that I have a Faith, with a total disregard for the idea of typos or a disability.

Posted by diz

So you are not dyslexic any more, having overcome it? Why act as if you're a victim then? Didn'f Firefox pick up on "Buddist"? 

Buddhists I've met thus far seem generally more relaxed and less quick to outrage and insult than you are. You have every right to call yourself whatever you want though. But you don't have the right to call other people names unchecked. I have made clear my reasons for doubting your faith, but you have no need to be bothered by them.

I told you that you can have "prayers are poems" argument. I still secretly think that prayers are not all poems though, especially the lord's prayer.

You can't turn back time by deleting your posts. It's too late - I've already read and commented on them. Or would you like me to re-do some of my earlier posts too?

I find the irony of you bitching about Vista, while not using it, to be almost beyond fathom, especially since you cite the reaon as being cost, rather than your confusion. It does seem odd given your tone ealier on this thread, when yo uwere talking as if you'd had a hard time upgrading, "like everyone else had".

I have never insulted your faith, unless you consider the accidental lower case "b" in Buddhist insulting. If that sort of thing does get you riled, I can't quite see how you are a Buddhist... Remember, you've insulted me directly, by calling me a "cretin" twice, saying I would "wet my pants"  and calling me "bucko". Is that what Buddhists do?

You should read up on the phychological phenomenon known as transference - its real interesting stuff.
Posted by BinaryDragon

No firefox didn't pick up on Buddhists. Sometimes Ginatbombs type window disable the whole Firefox spellcheck thing.

I am Dyslexic. It's not cureable. I have my moments.

I wasn't trying to turn back time, as I said before, one of the posts was a double post (sort of I hit the back button and lost the body of text), I thought I'd lost it. I'd rewritten it discovered the old version and deleted it so that there is only one. People do this all the time.

I may not own vista but I have used it (just like you), one of the problems I have with it is the upgrade barrier in the Vista capable program. I don't want to buy vista because of all of these issues.

Thank you for your genorus gift of "prayers are poems". I went and talked to the poetry teacher at my university and he agreed with me. Prayer is a form of poetry. It's not a matter of opinion.

The Dictionary definition of poem is: "a composition written in metrical feet forming rhythmical lines"

Surely the "Lords Prayer" Has rhythmical lines and has a basic metrical foot?

Yeah I've called you names (and if I have offended you I am sorry they were not ment to, I was trying to put across a 'snooty posh monty python vibe' but it didn't work. Apparently), but you haven't been a saint yourself. Disregarding my disability twice (!), and telling me that I'm not a 'good' Buddhist.

 I'm actually tired of repeating myself and then having no reply to my valid points or links. I have responded to at least 80% of yours.


Admit Vista would have a better public image if they'd just kept it simple. Wait no don't. I don't care. Do what you want you don't seem to read what I write anyway.

Edited by diz
BinaryDragon said:
"No firefox didn't pick up on Buddhists. Sometimes Ginatbombs type window disable the whole Firefox spellcheck thing.

I am Dyslexic. It's not cureable. I have my moments.
I wasn't trying to turn back time, as I said before, one of the posts was a double post (sort of I hit the back button and lost the body of text), I thought I'd lost it. I'd rewritten it discovered the old version and deleted it so that there is only one. People do this all the time.

I may not own vista but I have used it (just like you), one of the problems I have with it is the upgrade barrier in the Vista capable program. I don't want to buy vista because of all of these issues.

Thank you for your genorus gift of "prayers are poems". I went and talked to the poetry teacher at my university and he agreed with me. Prayer is a form of poetry. It's not a matter of opinion.

The Dictionary definition of poem is: "a composition written in metrical feet forming rhythmical lines"

Surely the "Lords Prayer" Has rhythmical lines and has a basic metrical foot?

Yeah I've called you names (and if I have offended you I am sorry they were not ment to, I was trying to put across a 'snooty posh monty python vibe' but it didn't work. Apparently), but you haven't been a saint yourself. Disregarding my disability twice (!), and telling me that I'm not a 'good' Buddhist.

 I'm actually tired of repeating myself and then having no reply to my valid points or links. I have responded to at least 80% of yours.


Admit Vista would have a better public image if they'd just kept it simple. Wait no don't. I don't care. Do what you want you don't seem to read what I write anyway."
Shame about Firefox - bad Firefox! You still play the victim very well, despite your prodigious output.
I find it odd that you went and changed your posts after I had commented on them. It seems to me that your realisation of triple-posting not being a rational process happened after my comments. The consequence is that the thread stops scanning as you retract and rearrange what you said. I'll just have to use quote trees from now on.

I would thoroughly disagree that there is no debate that all prayers are poems. Prayers do not need  top be "a composition written in metrical feet forming rhythmical lines".  Prayers are defrined as "the act of attempting to communicate to a deity or spirit." So prayers (as you should know through your Buddhist meditation) do not even need to have spoken or thought words. Under those circumstances, prayers don't fit your poem definition. If you'd kept  it to the lord's prayer, you would have been more successful in your poety analogy.

When I went to university ( a very long time ago) we didn't have teachers, but proffessors, doctors, tutors and lecturers instead. I don't know if standards have dropped. I wouldn't presume an intelligent person would talk in absolutes like that. No offence to teachers - I am a qualified UK secondary teacher, although its not my job.

You should know that calling names can only be inferred as name-calling, unless you qualify it. I personally hate the use of smileys and am glad these forums don't support them. Smileys convey ambiguous or no derivation of intent from posts - just so you know.

I've aked you what valid points you made and find it interesting that you can't reveal them to me. You really are making things up when you accuse me of telling you you're not a good Buddhist. I think you are the one that disregards their dyslexia disability.

Vista has a good public image. I'm honestly not aware of any negative image associated with Vista. Now if you'd mentioned 360 hardware, it'd be a different story. Why do prestige PCs come with it installed if people don't want it?
Posted by BinaryDragon

Vista doesn't have a good public image, it's not great, why else would microsoft do the mohvie experiment (second time I've mentioned this for the record). How could there be a court case against the Vista and it NOT effect the public image? More and more people are researching before they buy nower days I talked to a female casual gamer the other day who had decied not to buy Spore because of the DRM issues, even though it's not likely to effect her she was completely put off.

The Triple post consisted of the same message typed out with different words in two posts, don't be daft, surely you can understand that it makes more sense to remove one if I almost EXACTLY repeat myself? (third time I've mentioned this).

"Buddhists I've met thus far seem generally more relaxed and less quick to outrage and insult than you are." - For the record this is insulting. I have done neither, the name calling (in case you have been not reading my apologies) I apologized for. Sincerely, I didn't mean for them to be take that way. Hey and as for relaxed, I can assure you that I am completely relaxed, man oh man. Maybe it's the voice you've attached to my words, use a lower one with like a barry white tone, not too low but a definate bass to it. :)

I call the teachers at MY university teachers that's what they are and I certainly think that one of the oldest, and most famous schools in the country can call their staff anything they want. After all "A rose by any other name  still smell as sweet".

Admittedly I asked my teacher if the Lords prayer was poetry, which it is. (I know, I know, I should have been more precise - I had to type that message twice too, don't ask).

I like smilies, not the cartoon ones. But the ones you make out of keys on the keyboard like these:

:D :) :(
:P $-) ^_^
:E :o :@
;) :'( (*_*)
:-] -_-  +_+
:| ?_? o_O
X_x :[  :/    etc...

I understand them don't you?

Posted by diz
Mojave was a tiny (120 +20 user) marketing excercise, aimed at people who had not used Vista through negative perception. I think if a larger problem had existed with user uptake, the Mojave experiment would have been publicised far more widely and had far more guineapigs involved. Proper usability testing projects typically involve tens of thousands of people. 22% of Mojave candidates were Mac users and 84% of all tested had a good reaction to Vista. Against an installed base, Vista has an 89% satisfaction rating. Court action and Microsoft are no strangers either, as are court action and Apple, Sony and every other conglomorate.

DRM issues don't just affect PCs. I dislike the was Itunes works with its rights management. I can't understand that you changed your post after the fact. I've always thought it sinister to edit posts after responses have been made, as I've mentioned etc... That's why many forums don't allow it.

You seem to have moderated your complaint from me saying you were "not a good Buddhist", to what I actually said. If it insults you that I feel you are different to other Buddhists I've met, then so be it. As I think you now understand, it would not necessarily make you a bad Buddhist though. 

You mentioned university, then spoke of an old and famous school. I think the term teacher more readily applies to that circumstance. Use of the terms "hey" and "man" don't necessarily scan as you being relaxed. Do you agree that not all prayer is poetry now?

In saying I dislike smileys, I was hoping to convey that I knew of them. The smiley you added after your insult (twice) may have been intended to diffuse the insult, but was read as your delight in making it. So, no, I don't understand smileys, since there is no objective definition for their use - just subjective interpretation - as I mentioned earlier. Precision and interpretation have been recurrant features of this thread, so smileys are best avoided.

Posted by BinaryDragon

No I went to university, I have a degree now.

I moderated my post because I double posted, it wasn't sinister it was a typo. (hoo ha ha ha my evil plan to destroy the likes of Vista and large ponies is coming together it shall start with me . . . deleting a post on GB forums!!! HAHAHAHHAHAHAA.... *ahem*)

DRM in the itunes store is not blanket (neither is it perfect), but I've always had the impression that apple wants to have DRM free across the board. Itunes plus etc...

No more and more I believe that prayer is poetry. Even the silent prayer I do is poetic.

The DRM was to point out that an issue that only effects a small amount of users if it gets news worthy can effect sales on a larger scale. Which it has for spore. And (not with DRM) Vista.

It's not the fact there was a court action.  It's the fact there was a court action about Vista and it's capability to run on machines, which wouldn't have happened if they'd just released one version. Hey I never thought that XP having two versions was a good idea. I love xp pro though.

Posted by diz
BinaryDragon said:
"No I went to university, I have a degree now.

I moderated my post because I double posted, it wasn't sinister it was a typo. (hoo ha ha ha my evil plan to destroy the likes of Vista and large ponies is coming together it shall start with me . . . deleting a post on GB forums!!! HAHAHAHHAHAHAA.... *ahem*)

DRM in the itunes store is not blanket (neither is it perfect), but I've always had the impression that apple wants to have DRM free across the board. Itunes plus etc...

No more and more I believe that prayer is poetry. Even the silent prayer I do is poetic.

The DRM was to point out that an issue that only effects a small amount of users if it gets news worthy can effect sales on a larger scale. Which it has for spore. And (not with DRM) Vista.

It's not the fact there was a court action.  It's the fact there was a court action about Vista and it's capability to run on machines, which wouldn't have happened if they'd just released one version. Hey I never thought that XP having two versions was a good idea. I love xp pro though."
It's nice to see you still keep in touch with your old university poetry teacher.

It was not the fact you deleted you post - but deleted it so long after triple posting and my commenting on it. Perhaps some people don't understand netiquitte. Can we move on now?

DRM is DRM - its aimed at every consumer platform - phones and Bluray & DVD players too. Its not a PC (spore) specific issue. That was my point.

Do you really think silent and "energy" prayer with no words is poetry? Regardless of what you think, its certainly no "fact" as you wrote earlier.

About your link to information on versions of Vista not running on capable machines? I've found an almost identical class action lawsuit against Apple. Here too -  Macs and Ibooks. As I said, these things are common.

I have a good mind to go out an buy Vista now!