I'm just running out of energy

This seems to be a pretty fervent topic lately what with outernauts coming out on facebook recently, arguably one of the nicest facebook games available.  
 
It is... The energy system, effectively putting a block on "hardcore" players who sink their time into a game hour after hour. Its gotten mostly disdain from us and less so from casual players, and people who can steal energy by spamming messages and having a large amount of active friends that also got roped into the energy system. It's almost like a quarter effect in arcades where you must sink in more cash to keep playing if you want to. The difference is this is a device coupled with failure, urging the player to continue on after defeat. Energy couples itself with progress, urging a player to continue playing the game even though they already want to - which is gross to me. Now from our perspective it's disgusting and rightfully so, if we have the time to invest in some bad facebook game ( in insomniacs case a good one ) then gosh darn we want to and not feel limited or pressured into spamming people or spending money on continuing to play the game.  
 
Now final fantasy XIV for awhile put a cap on experience you could earn in the day. A similar progress stopper that was eventually removed but it was coupled with a monthly fee so there was no point in impeding the progress of people with this. The energy system is almost a way to handhold you into making sure you don't spend time on the computer to long, almost, since they allow themselves to take money from you to continue playing if you so desire than it sometimes is more expensive than a monthly fee. It's a really horrible way of using the F2P model, if we look at Team Fortress 2, Super Monday Night Combat, and an MMO I've played for a while Vindictus, personally I've put money in all these games, Team Fortress 2 is a jerk for making crates that need keys you must buy, BUT HEY I buy them because I want to, and SMNC lets you buy characters so you can use them without the weekly rotation limits, vindictus is the standard MMO cosmetic and booster thing. People spend a lot of money in these games and are more encouraged I think because they don't have to, it's an option. Recently Mike Krahulik posted about this and that's what made me start thinking about it, he gave the examples of League of Legends to outernauts saying the same thing.  
 
It's a time sink that we can't sink into, but it protects some people from spending to much time with it... but people bypass that with the gross system they've put in place which is energy, the evil modern day arcade quarter pump. This is just another rant of mine, but I'm scared that when "hardcore" and "casual" bleed together systems like this don't get worked out and purged from the new generation of games and their push towards free to play games. An example of that I can think of is Spiral Knights on steam, it gives you so many points to delve into dungeons and at a certain point you can't progress and grind out materials and exp, impeding my progress. It's a cool little game and I like it's style and combat but that system kills my desire to play because I can only play for the set amount of time they decide for me. I don't think this system will stay in place as games continue to be made, maybe it will keep on social networks like facebook and G+ but currently I don't like it and it needs a look at from companies. I was hoping insomniac games would be the ones to look at it and change it, but they plug into the same power supply, our wallet. 

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Posted by BirthWild

This seems to be a pretty fervent topic lately what with outernauts coming out on facebook recently, arguably one of the nicest facebook games available.  
 
It is... The energy system, effectively putting a block on "hardcore" players who sink their time into a game hour after hour. Its gotten mostly disdain from us and less so from casual players, and people who can steal energy by spamming messages and having a large amount of active friends that also got roped into the energy system. It's almost like a quarter effect in arcades where you must sink in more cash to keep playing if you want to. The difference is this is a device coupled with failure, urging the player to continue on after defeat. Energy couples itself with progress, urging a player to continue playing the game even though they already want to - which is gross to me. Now from our perspective it's disgusting and rightfully so, if we have the time to invest in some bad facebook game ( in insomniacs case a good one ) then gosh darn we want to and not feel limited or pressured into spamming people or spending money on continuing to play the game.  
 
Now final fantasy XIV for awhile put a cap on experience you could earn in the day. A similar progress stopper that was eventually removed but it was coupled with a monthly fee so there was no point in impeding the progress of people with this. The energy system is almost a way to handhold you into making sure you don't spend time on the computer to long, almost, since they allow themselves to take money from you to continue playing if you so desire than it sometimes is more expensive than a monthly fee. It's a really horrible way of using the F2P model, if we look at Team Fortress 2, Super Monday Night Combat, and an MMO I've played for a while Vindictus, personally I've put money in all these games, Team Fortress 2 is a jerk for making crates that need keys you must buy, BUT HEY I buy them because I want to, and SMNC lets you buy characters so you can use them without the weekly rotation limits, vindictus is the standard MMO cosmetic and booster thing. People spend a lot of money in these games and are more encouraged I think because they don't have to, it's an option. Recently Mike Krahulik posted about this and that's what made me start thinking about it, he gave the examples of League of Legends to outernauts saying the same thing.  
 
It's a time sink that we can't sink into, but it protects some people from spending to much time with it... but people bypass that with the gross system they've put in place which is energy, the evil modern day arcade quarter pump. This is just another rant of mine, but I'm scared that when "hardcore" and "casual" bleed together systems like this don't get worked out and purged from the new generation of games and their push towards free to play games. An example of that I can think of is Spiral Knights on steam, it gives you so many points to delve into dungeons and at a certain point you can't progress and grind out materials and exp, impeding my progress. It's a cool little game and I like it's style and combat but that system kills my desire to play because I can only play for the set amount of time they decide for me. I don't think this system will stay in place as games continue to be made, maybe it will keep on social networks like facebook and G+ but currently I don't like it and it needs a look at from companies. I was hoping insomniac games would be the ones to look at it and change it, but they plug into the same power supply, our wallet. 

Posted by BraveToaster

I must admit, I thought that this had something to do with being unhealthy when I read the title. Anyway, I do agree that it's stupid for games to limit play time. While I understand the developer's intentions, I'm old enough to limit my play time on my own. If I take care of all of my responsibilities, I should be able to reward myself with hours of playing games. Imagine how pissed people would be if you could only play CoD or Battlefield for a limited time.

Posted by kindone

I agree. I really enjoy SimCity Social (it may be the nostalgia/want for another SimCity game) and believe that the energy cap hinders everything about the game. Honestly, I would rather have "build times" rather than use this system. Limiting me to a number of decisions sounds like a really interesting God-game puzzler, but the ability to pay and short amount of time you can spend per visit really hinders my enjoyment. It really has turned into a click-fest of collecting all my Olympic points and Simeloeans/Materials and than logging off. Every other day I can add a new building to my town, and sometimes that requires "gems" to even activate.

:/

Posted by crusader8463

Boo... Was expecting to find some discussion on ways to get more energy in life. Ever since I started the morning shift at work I have been exhausted all the time after years of being up all night.

As for the topic, it's just another reason I hope the F2P/facebook game fad dies off quickly. I refuse to play games that have this kind of mechanic in them as it's just a blatant artificial limitation put in place to milk people who can somehow enjoy the game.

Posted by Klei

I was also mistaken into thinking this'd be about health. I'm disappointed.

Posted by BirthWild
@Klei said:

I was also mistaken into thinking this'd be about health. I'm disappointed.

Lately, I've been sleeping in a lot and having trouble getting to bed on a good schedule and feeling pretty crumby in the morning.   
 
The solution I'm coming to now seems to be riding my bike more, I downloaded an app called "Zombies, Run!!!" which tracks your distance and you pick up items to build your base. The nerd in me somehow has fabricated that this is a good reason to start running and biking more. Which I am doing, I find that exercise is definitely getting me more tired but still I can push myself to staying up late then getting into work feeling exhausted again.  
 
Apparently another step to take has been "juicing" everyone and their mother has been telling me it's given them so much more energy just juicing fruits and vegetables together with other things, which having a lot of fruit would also save me some cash instead of buying energy drinks and soda pop.  I've yet to try this but I'm really jones'n for it now the idea of some fresh juice in the morning sounds great. That and working in a hard set on when I need to be laying down and trying to sleep, but it's generally pretty hard for me to get to sleep.  
 
so technically I am running out of energy, but I'm trying to fix that, and also hoping that game companies can get rid of this energy thing too :)  
 
there, I wanted to talk to you guys about this too since my title was misleading, in my mind it felt clever xD
Posted by BirthWild
@ck1nd: Ah, me too, I love sim city and was excited for it in this browser version I thought it could be cool, I should have been wary because they made the other sims game on facebook too, which again keeps using that energy mechanic and kept me from digging into that much at all, enough to run out of energy then never pop in again.  
 
But I like the idea of build times, it's like those old text based multiplayer games that required turns, I remember playing a couple space ones and sending out my ships to collect things and go on missions and waiting a day or two for a ton of ore to be mined and such. That at least makes me feel like I've made my decisions and I'm just waiting for things rather than stopping me and telling me I could play instantly. Though of course you can pay to finish jobs immediately but that's at least feels a little nicer than energy. 
Posted by Ravenlight

@BirthWild said:

Apparently another step to take has been "juicing" everyone and their mother has been telling me it's given them so much more energy just juicing fruits and vegetables together with other things, which having a lot of fruit would also save me some cash instead of buying energy drinks and soda pop. I've yet to try this but I'm really jones'n for it now the idea of some fresh juice in the morning sounds great. That and working in a hard set on when I need to be laying down and trying to sleep, but it's generally pretty hard for me to get to sleep. so technically I am running out of energy, but I'm trying to fix that, and also hoping that game companies can get rid of this energy thing too :) there, I wanted to talk to you guys about this too since my title was misleading, in my mind it felt clever xD

Making juice is great! My favorite is when I blend rum with mai tai mix and some ice. Just what the body needs :D

Posted by Fattony12000