yep saw that story as well,

i think other than a visual overhaul,

(call me crazy) i think doom would be best suited to adopt and mesh aspects of dark souls and serious sam into its design, it would help recarve out a niche for the doom series, cause doing the stock shooter wont be enough for doom (that story u linked to also i believe mentions that they canceled rage 2)

like doing a "super hard but actually doable" fps and the crowds of enemies that serious sam does would be interesting for doom imo.

@mrfluke: I'm wondering though. Because you mention Dark Souls, but there's so many games that could benefit from going open-world, and this might be one 'em. Carmack mentions Skyrim, and that Doom IV could and should be as big as that, but I hope he doesn't mean just making money.

I wonder though, how fucking mad Zenimax is at Id. I mean, can't a Bethesda special-ops team, kinda jsut go and help that shit along, for like a year, or two?. ~ Hm.

@blu3v3nom07: carmack seems more of an intellectual than a money maker, so i think hes probably talking more of scope than popularity.

i actually wouldnt be surprised if some of the skyrim team goes and helps them now that you mention it,

with the way how people are saying that next gen is gonna be more about devs helping each other out and how devs will be outsourcing more, it wouldnt surprise me if this actually happens.

what i need is quake 5 arena.

Is it wrong that I'd be happy with just new levels using the graphics that both Doom 1 and 2 had?

You can find thousands of those on the internet.