Are Facebook Games for Gamers?

After hearing that Sid Meier is currently working on a Facebook version of his Civilization franchise I was shocked to say the least. Firstly who is this aimed at, will it be the experience that we all know from the PC or will it be heavily gimped to cater for all audiences? This got me wondering if Facebook games can really capture the "hardcore" audience by providing games with the depth and quality we are used to from other platforms. Civilization is a large IP, which clearly shows us that developers like Fireaxis and people like Sid Meier ,a true innovator within the industry, really believe in the potential of games on platforms such as Facebook. If this is truly a full game so to speak I don't think I would play it. I could never see myself playing games on Facebook for a prolonged period of time, its just not what I want from a social networking site. I don't want to log on and play games in my browser with any sort of intensity, but maybe I'm looking at this all wrong, maybe this is what people want? Fully featured games available on your web browser wherever whenever . What do you guys think, what is the future of these games, is there one? and would you like to see big developers put money and effort into this new platform?  

B. 
To clear up the "Gamer" reference I am referring to people who call themselves gamers.

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Edited by Brianmcdon

After hearing that Sid Meier is currently working on a Facebook version of his Civilization franchise I was shocked to say the least. Firstly who is this aimed at, will it be the experience that we all know from the PC or will it be heavily gimped to cater for all audiences? This got me wondering if Facebook games can really capture the "hardcore" audience by providing games with the depth and quality we are used to from other platforms. Civilization is a large IP, which clearly shows us that developers like Fireaxis and people like Sid Meier ,a true innovator within the industry, really believe in the potential of games on platforms such as Facebook. If this is truly a full game so to speak I don't think I would play it. I could never see myself playing games on Facebook for a prolonged period of time, its just not what I want from a social networking site. I don't want to log on and play games in my browser with any sort of intensity, but maybe I'm looking at this all wrong, maybe this is what people want? Fully featured games available on your web browser wherever whenever . What do you guys think, what is the future of these games, is there one? and would you like to see big developers put money and effort into this new platform?  

B. 
To clear up the "Gamer" reference I am referring to people who call themselves gamers.

Posted by Ryax

no

Posted by bonbolapti

Facebook games, are for the retarded.

Posted by Brianmcdon

I tend to agree, for me they add nothing to the service and detract from the time and effort available to the games on platforms I want to play.

Posted by Aeterna

While I don't care for facebook itself, the idea of having a game fully online in a browser is pretty cool. It'll allow for people to play from virtually anywhere and on any platform. 
With such accessibility however come security problems, lots of security problems.

Posted by Jeust

If by gamer you mean a person that play games, Facebook games are for gamers.  
 
There are good games there, as puzzle bobble.  And it probably has a future as home for mini-games, not full fledge ones. 

Posted by Brianmcdon
@Jeust:  By gamer I mean a person who calls themselves a "gamer". 
Posted by Gearhead
@Ryax said:
" no "
Posted by LordXavierBritish

There is a very simple way to answer this question.  
 
You must ask yourself, does playing  Outwar make you a gamer? It was the facebook game before facebook games existed, so the root of the issue surely lies there. 
 
Also the answer is no.

Edited by Jeust
@Brianmcdon said:

" @Jeust:  By gamer I mean a person who calls themselves a "gamer".  "

then it depends of the person, but it can be, since games like puzzle bobble are so addictive that can lead to long plays, as usually a person that calls itself a gamer does.  And with leaderboards, the vice grows...
Edited by themartyr

Facebook games are a simple, unengaging, unstimulating, procrastination-based area of 'gaming'. They are Peggle for the uninitiated.

Posted by Brianmcdon
@Jeust:  I agree the leaderboard aspect is easily the most interesting part of the equation.
Posted by Jeust
@Brianmcdon: Yep, especially for showing off. A good gamer quality. :p
Posted by iam3green

no, they all seem to be boring games. all people do is click and on objects, wait on the timer. my mom plays farmvill all the time. the game is very interesting game. it seems like all of the games also have gifting so a person can have items that would have to work on to get but a friend can give gifts. maybe the games can get some interest if they got a 3D game like runescape. the graphics are great for just being an internet game.

Posted by Brianmcdon

The giving of gifts is a trend of these games that would annoy me. If I play a game I want to maybe have an option to play online but I should not have to beg for an item in order to progress through the game. I know you can earn the item, but the idea of advertising their game to progress is a step too far. 

Posted by Brianmcdon
@SteamPunkJin: I totally get where you are coming from with the 10 minutes here 5 there it makes sense for anybody, but could you see yourself at home playing more demanding type of game through facebook ?
Posted by RichardLOlson

Facebook games are for the retarded and the fat girls who have nothing else to do.  I for one can't stand facebook and think its just another way for teens to get kidnaped.

Posted by Meteora

Facebook games are normally not intended for gamers, no. But there are some games that are worth playing as any other browser game incase you are bored.

Posted by Westrunner

Not right now I'd guess, but there is potential with the platform. I'd like to see a relationship between mainstream titles and Facebook. Like a Fable III minigame that gives you more gold or followers by getting people to pay tribute to you in facebook. Or how about being able to grind fishing in WoW via a facebook browser game? What about the fact that I can invite people to play a scrabble knock off in facebook, why not Quake Live? 
 
It's got a lot of potential. Shit, it's basically a text based MMO without quests.

Posted by TheGreatGuero

Sid Meier, I was almost really disappointed in you, but this is a smart tactic. Basically, you're get all the Facebook addicts hooked on a super simplified version of your games, then they'll want to start playing the real deal. I'm cool with that.

Posted by Walker_after_dark
Richard Garriott is getting into Facebook gaming as well. I find it a little odd that he's decided to start with a poker game, since there's about a bazillion of those on Facebook already, but then again I'm not a games industry genius. I dislike Facebook games in general because most of them are just a random number generator with a pretty wrapper. Many are also pretty pushy about getting you to part with your money or to recruit strangers as your in-game friends. But there are a few that are fun enough to play for 5-10 minutes a couple of times a day. I don't know that the platform will every really be used for 'serious' gaming since Facebook itself imposes certain limitations on the developers and what they can really do, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with the Civ game.
Posted by SythonX7
@Ryax said:
" no "
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Posted by FirePrince

Never.
Posted by Dad_Is_A_Zombie
*Groan*... I wish the elitist douche bags would get over themselves. If you play something for entertainment, it's a game. At that moment you are a gamer. Voila! I tend to believe that Sid Meier has earned just a bit of credibility in the gaming industry so if he believes that the Facebook space is worthwhile then clearly all you snobs should STFU and move on.
Posted by ProfessorEss
@Dad_Is_A_Zombie: I'm with you man.
Posted by Brianmcdon
@Dad_Is_A_Zombie: If you did read my first post, you don't get it. I'm not against games on Facebook  I think the some of the games like bubble shooter on it are really fun, I just don't think anybody wants to play a fully featured game through Facebook.
Posted by SpunkyHePanda

I'll play a Facebook game and enjoy it. I find it to be a nice distraction. And I own hundreds of video games so I guess you could call me a gamer.
 
But apparently they're the worst thing to ever happen to games and will destroy us all.

Posted by thecleric

No one considered flash users 'gamers', why should Facebook be an exception?

Posted by AhmadMetallic
@bonbolapti said:
" Facebook games, are for the retarded. "
hehe
Posted by Asrahn

Just another way to milk money out of people really. That game devs see the "casual" market as a huge cow to get money from isn't surprising, all other industries does.

Posted by threeve

I personally don't have time to play facebook games AND real games.

Edited by The_A_Drain

They are for a different type of gamer. It's like asking if breakfast cereal is for dinner, or if romance fans like the horror genre, or whatever else. 
 
Neither better/worse/more/less viable/respectable than the other. They are simply different, but trying to pretend they are somehow 'not' games is ludicrous.  
 
As for the term 'gamer' who really cares? That's for yourself and yourself only to decide whether or not it applies to you, do you think a Model Railway Enthusiast really gives a damn if some kid buys a wooden train set and calls himself a "Model Railway Enthusiast"? No. So why should we care if some middle-aged woman wants to play Bejeweled on her lunch hour and somebody calls 
her a gamer? 
 
EDIT: Just to clarify 2 points that really piss me off. 
 
1. Facebook/etc games are not 'fake' there is nothing any more or less 'real' about them than any other type of game. 
2. 'casual' and 'hardcore' divide is bullshit. It's a state of mind imo, it has nothing to do with the type of game a person plays. MW2 is no more 'hardcore' than Bejeweled, and Bejeweled is no more 'casual' than MW2. It's the person playing it who is casual/hardcore. For example, the dude who FUCKING COMPLETED BEJEWELED (yeah, completed) is way more hardcore than any of you clan-tagging MW2 pussies.

Edited by WinterSnowblind
@Dad_Is_A_Zombie said:

" *Groan*... I wish the elitist douche bags would get over themselves. If you play something for entertainment, it's a game. At that moment you are a gamer. Voila! I tend to believe that Sid Meier has earned just a bit of credibility in the gaming industry so if he believes that the Facebook space is worthwhile then clearly all you snobs should STFU and move on. "

I'm not sure why it's "elistest".  I wouldn't consider myself a movie critic because I casually review movies occasionally, and I wouldn't call myself a "Trekie" because I sometimes watch Star Trek, again, casually. 

Why is it any different with gaming?  I don't really agree with the terms "casual" and "hardcore" but they are a very different fanbase.
Posted by Dad_Is_A_Zombie
@Brianmcdon said:
" @Dad_Is_A_Zombie: If you did read my first post, you don't get it. I'm not against games on Facebook  I think the some of the games like bubble shooter on it are really fun, I just don't think anybody wants to play a fully featured game through Facebook. "
My comment was not directed at you. It was directed at these so-called hardcore gamers that look down their noses at what other folks enjoy playing and mocking it if it doesn't fit their criteria as worthy.
Posted by Brianmcdon
@Dad_Is_A_Zombie: Agreed.