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@dreamndayunite said:

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ho boy buddy baboo i know i said i would answer all your questions, but this is getting ridiculous! this is the last one you get, google's your friend! i know this might be socialistic, but here's a pretty easy to read article that sums up a lot of the damaging double standards for female beauty ideals: here!

in fact, these double standards are also what contribute to the prevalence of disordered eating amongst females, as well as contributing to the diet culture that encourages girls, even from the age of 6, to lose weight: check it!

you can disagree with these sentiments, but, in my opinion, they're an undeniable part of male privilege! in this case, with something that disproportionately effects females over males, i don't see how you CAN argue that, but whatever.

(also yes before you go there i know disordered eating and body image issues affect males too, but the fact is that women take the brunt of the illness on this one, much like sexual violence!)

I agree women are more prone to eating disorders, but I could point out many areas where men are more prone to such things. Like how 93% of work related deaths are male, how women are exempt from the draft, how men are 76% of homicide victims. Should I say women have female privilege because of these things? The entire point of labeling people with things they have no control over is redundant. Women have it harder in some areas, men have it harder in other areas. Thats the result at the end of the day. And yes, these issues need to be addressed. I'm not an MRA or a feminist.

that's why there are workplace advocacy groups in place for those who partake in riskier professions, life insurance policies, etc... you are definitely correct that males are certainly more likely to be the victims of homicide and work-related deaths, as traditionally, male-on-male violence is the norm, and riskier professions, such as construction work, are the purview of male workers. i would never argue that this is the ideal, and i would never try to discredit these deaths.

however you were talking about specific aspects of male privilege, how institutionalized power structures work to adversely affect female lives. if we wanted to turn it into a percentage competition, i could throw out statistics of domestic violence, rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment, workplace discrimination, hiring process discrimination, pay disparity, representation in politics, representation as CEO's or business owners, skewed incomes, representation of women in the top 1% in america's income brackets, access to birth control, reproductive rights etc... these numbers contribute to the truth behind male privilege, representation in media, that we live in a society where men make the rules, run the businesses, and disproportionately affect the lives of women adversely.

no this is not true in 100% of cases, men do certainly die more in the workplace, oftentimes because of poor working conditions and business owner exploitation. this in a way is perpetuated by upper class patriarchy who have the money to contribute to life insurance funds and do their best to ensure that their workers are working under terrible working conditions. this is terrible, but not an accurate example of how male privilege doesn't exist.

edit: you can be worried about issues of classism, racist discrimination against of men of color, and others while still being a feminist! there's nothing wrong with that! in fact, it's great! just don't try to use what blue collar workers and the victims of poisonous american gun violence suffer through to discredit feminism

also lol what are we even talking about this point! you're moving the goalposts A LOT no offense, i'm glad you're replying though

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You can't force this stuff, the more you force it, the more resistance you're gonna get. They're just gonna dig their heels in and hold their ground against it. Thats bad for everyone.

Sexism and racism is not going to be solved anytime soon, thats a grim reality. Social change is a long gradual process. This whole thing did no one any good, absolutely no one. If anything, it's done nothing but damaged this community by pitting each other against ourselves and making people propose and support terrible moderation policy changes.

at least in my opinion sexism and racism are going to take a lot more time to change if we just throw our hands up and say "that's just the way things are." if a marginalized group wants to take the spotlight for a second to point out the privileges associated with institutionalized sexism more power to them!

i can see your point, but i've always thought that the funny thing about keeping quiet about sexism and racism means that nothing will get done about it, no one's opinions will ever change, and the status quo will maintain.

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@rorie said:

@dreamndayunite: Please don't use pejorative terms like SJW on this website. I have never heard it ever used as anything other than an insult, so take it elsewhere.

hell yes thank u for this sentiment rorie, so true

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@dreamndayunite: oof you should probably stop replying to me if you don't want to hear that kind of "bias", just as a warning! i'm a feminist whose political views vacillate between anarchism and communism, somehow i can still argue with you though, must be the way the wind is blowing.

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@sarisa: thanks duder you too! not very often that you see more than just the traditional liberal "both sides are wrong and too extreme!! the answer lies somewhere in the middle with MY OPINION" stuff on video game forums.

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LOL ohhhh i didn't know men were just more likely to have an interest in policy, is it genetic? and what website would like me to link you to? you should check out some wikipedia articles, they're well sourced and tend to be worked on by some dedicated people! your point about bias is well founded though, 87% of wikipedia users are male!! surprising that they would have a page on male privilege, that doesn't fit the narrative! darn socialists!

Yes it is most likely genetic. As for sources, how about The Christian Science Monitor or Reuters? I don't trust wikipedia for most things because a quick glance at the "talk" and "view history" shows the amount of infighting and politics at work behind the scenes at that website. Sources are constantly contested on the site, it is becoming a mess.

ooo fun choices! so obviously they're not the most inclusive websites in the world, a little too traditionally liberal for my tastes, but your choice of news sources says a lot about you! don't worry too much about wikipedia, if you think something's sus, check out the source!

here's a pretty easy to digest article from christian science crew on male privilege: link!

and surprisingly it's tough to find anything from reuters on the topic, you read them more often than i do i imagine, why would that be?

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@darkstalker: ya i totally agree, privilege and discrimination are layered! making an effort to raise the marginalized up to the same opportunity level as white male professionals IS NOT discrimination, it's equality!!

Bringing the marginalized up to the same standard as others is one thing, but the way it is being done in society is not good. Affirmative action for example is racist and discriminates against Asians and white people.

interesting that you would say so, never fear though, american higher education is still dominated by upper middle class whites and asian-americans!

since it's too radical for you to have affirmative action, how else would you address they systemic inequalities that exclude the impoverished, people of color, etc.. from higher education?

do your feelings extend to financial aid? that treats people differently by awarding them with MONETARY COMPENSATION rather than just access to college to address inequality, do you have a problem with that?

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at the same time, asians-americans are STATISTICALLY only hold the highest incomes for CERTAIN socioeconomic brackets because the study i think you're citing measures household income, and, on average, asian-american households tend to have the highest number of working adults under one roof, contributing to that income, and more children and elderly to provide for.

what you're doing is propping up asian-americans as a model minority to invalidate their struggles based on ethnicity in america. while asian-americans do tend to outperform other ethnic minorities, they also face what asian sociologists and economists refer to as the "bamboo ceiling" in the workplace, ensuring that, while asians do end up attaining relatively higher paying positions in the workplace, administrative positions also still are overwhelmingly awarded to whites. if you're interested, you should read up on the problematic nature of asserting asian-americans as a model-minority here! wikipedia

whites still overwhelmingly hold the political power in this country, the wealth, and the professional dominance. i'm trying to make this short, i can't write an essay on every single one of these topics, but you can also check out this article to read about white supremacist hiring practices, and you can also google it see how they measure up against latinos and asians as well! here!

male privilege in the political process is pretty easy to see, though women do tend to vote more often than males, political representation is often predicated on being male, having wealth, and being white. you can check out this little thingy here that i just saw today to see the male dominance illustrated!

i'm happy to answer any of your questions about white or male privilege, and i urge you not to hate yourself or be scared of it if you are white or male. you can also google it if you want answers to your questions faster!

I'm open to learning, but can you give me a source that is not from a socialist website or tumblr? Neither is impartial.

Your link about the amount of men and women in politics is pointless. Men are simply more likely to have an interest in politics. There are few barriers for women to get involved, most simply aren't interested.

LOL ohhhh i didn't know men were just more likely to have an interest in policy, is it genetic? and what website would like me to link you to? you should check out some wikipedia articles, they're well sourced and tend to be worked on by some dedicated people! your point about bias is well founded though, 87% of wikipedia users are male!! surprising that they would have a page on male privilege, that doesn't fit the narrative! darn socialists!

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@darkstalker: ya i totally agree, privilege and discrimination are layered! making an effort to raise the marginalized up to the same opportunity level as white male professionals IS NOT discrimination, it's equality!!

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