Any idea if this is a PS4 & Vita only thing, or is it possible that PS3 users would receive the invite?
... as long as Nintendo kept their core developers around, they could be much more successful than Sega as a Dev/Pub only.
Why does this line of reasoning persist? Nintendo has made practically all it's money off of console sales, with over half a billion sold during the last 30 years; they have over a trillion dollars in assets; DS itself nearly outsold PS3 & Xbox360 combined; Wii outsold both aforementioned consoles; Nintendo profits off every console sold.
Why would a company which has made billions off mostly game console sales -- the most successful game console manufacturer in the world -- suddenly stop making hardware because their current console isn't an immediate success?
Competition breads innovation but Nintendo hasn't been competition in the console market for a few years.
Apparently, and I don't know how accurate this is, they pissed away the ENTIRE surplus of money that the Wii generated for them with the WiiU.
Wildly inaccurate, actually.
For a few years? Wii outsold the PS3 and Xbox 360; DS practically outsold both PS3 and Xbox360 combined, and -- unlike Sony & Microsoft -- Nintendo made a profit on every single one of their consoles. Of the Nintendo has sold world-wide since the 80's: half were sold during the last 10 years.
Nintendo hasn't been competition in the console market? Nintendo has been the console market on a world-wide level, and the other "big dogs" are always playing catch-up. Yes, Nintendo had to lower their profit projections (or even report a loss) for the next fiscal year, but Nintendo is still a trillion-dollar company where their assets are concerned; both Sony and Microsoft -- as entire companies -- have around 150 billion in total assets. Unlike Nintendo: those companies make lots of products unrelated to game consoles. If you go by those numbers -- actual, global success over the last 30 years -- it's only not a competition because Nintendo practically owns the console game playing-field.
Nintendo has plenty of money ... mostly from several hundred-million console sales.
Finally, If you don't see how Nintendo has innovated over the last few decades: you're not paying attention. As Michael Ancel said recently: Nintendo is almost innovative to a fault.
Forgive me, but I think I'll agree with Ancel's (experienced) opinion over yours.
I just don't understand why interest has dried up in these sorts of games with color and light hearted subject matter.
Really bums me out, because games wise, they aren't doing anything wrong imo.
I think it's because many gamers from certain cultures feel like playing a whimsical, brightly-colored game would be an affront to their (already fragile) masculinity; those of us who are perfectly secure in our being and can enjoy games for what they are don't have that problem.
I agree that Nintendo makes great games -- well polished, no patches, already "complete" upon release -- but don't even think they are doing anything "wrong" with the hardware, either. Wii U is an odd console because it's not sporting the fastest processor or integration with NFL and Facebook, but I don't think the people who care about those things are Nintendo's target demographic.
Notice both Microsoft and Sony have some kind of dual-screen functionality with their new consoles ... following Nintendo's lead yet again.
We have a Wii U at my house and my 4-year-old plays it daily. Interesting/unconventional design always takes time for normal people to appreciate and accept, but my (unpretentious) kids love it. "Core gamers" reacted the same way to the Wii when it was released, but Nintendo still managed to out-sell both Sony & Microsoft during that console generation.
I've been saying since before the Wii U came out that Nintendo should go the way of Sega ... I just mean as far as dropping the dying hardware and switching strictly to software.
Before the Wii U came out ... like when the Wii was out? The #5 best-selling game console of all time? You said that Nintendo should stop making hardware while they were manufacturing the home console which out-sold Xbox360 and PS3 by more than 20 million units? You said this during the time that Nintendo nearly sold more DS consoles than PS3 and Xbox360 sales combined?
I'm going to guess (and hope) that you do not consider yourself a financial advisor.
You say "dying hardware" like Nintendo hasn't been making any money, but Nintendo is (right now, regardless of the news about a projected profit loss) . The margin by which Nintendo leads all-time global console sales is massive: more than half a billion Nintendo consoles sold over the last 30 years. The majority of Nintendo's success is directly from hardware sales.
Why is this fact so difficult for people to understand?
@driftspace: You presume too much... Funny to be accused of ethnocentric without knowing my gender, nationality or ethnic background. Just a heads-up: I am not American...
You also presume I am talking about Nintendo abandoning all hardware, when I am just referring to the console side of things.
I was addressing the statement/concept that Nintendo is doing a bad job in the console market as enthnocentric, and not necessarily the people; ethnocentrism refers to viewpoints, anyway. I'm sure people in Asia don't see Nintendo as "failing," or needing to exit the console sales business, for example.
About your nationality: you say where you are from in your profile, and while you are not "American" in the sense that you are from the USA, you are from "the Americas," and not from Asia, where Nintendo has seen most of their success. Regardless: this isn't about you, and was not meant as insulting.
I do agree with you that "the Americas" are not "small potatoes," (sorry for the hyperbole) but I think part of the reason so many "Americans" are upset at Nintendo is because Nintendo seems to proceed with its designs without regard to what "American" gamers want. America is not Nintendo's first consideration, and why should it be? The majority of the planet's population lives in Asia!
I apologize if I upset you, as this wasn't really all about you; I was mostly just frustrated with the trend of posts where people compare Nintendo to Sega, say that they should get out of the console business, etc. when, in fact, Nintendo is today (by the numbers) the most successful game console manufacturer of all time. Sega never even got close to that. You spoke about Nintendo following Sega as though it was inevitable, and I don't think history or the numbers support that possibility at all.
Why should/would Nintendo exit the console business when they're still on-top globally?
Another issue here is that people are treating handhelds and home consoles as different markets, which isn't appropriate; they are all "consoles." Yes, it is true that Nintendo's biggest successes have been handheld consoles, but the Wii was nothing to laugh at; it outsold PS3 and XB360.
Maybe Nintendo will stop making home consoles (and I doubt it) but I'm pretty sure they will never stop making gaming consoles altogether.
This just isn't going to happen; people keep making comments like this, but they don't understand Nintendo's world-wide success as a company. 3 of the 5 best-selling consoles of all time were manufactured by Nintendo, with the DS holding the #2 spot, and the Wii -- yes, that console which everyone loves to hate -- holding the #5 spot. (Microsoft doesn't even appear until we get to #9.)
If you look at the actual sales numbers: the only console manufacturer which actually struggles to be in the console race on a world-wide level (since we should not just be talking about America here) is Microsoft. The Nintendo DS all by itself has out-sold , and part of NIntendo's sales model -- since the NES -- has been to profit on console sales. Most console manufacturers sell consoles at a loss in an effort to make it up in licensing fees, but not Nintendo. Nintendo has $20 BILLION in liquidity; and more than ONE TRILLION DOLLARS in assets. Nintendo has more assets (and definitely more liquidity) than GOLDMAN SACHS.
Nintendo has been the worlds largest console manufacturer (measured by revenue from console sales) for decades, and still holds that title. For Sony and/or Microsoft to dethrone Nintendo on a global level they'll basically need a miracle, or for Nintendo to literally hibernate for 10+ years.
It seems that the majority of these people assume that because Nintendo does poorly in America that it's a failing company, but America has kind of been small potatoes to Nintendo for a very long time now, and -- by sales comparison -- Microsoft's Xbox series is the smallest potato in the world-wide console market.
It's called ethnocentricity, people, and it's not a good thing; if you're going to participate in a discussion about a GLOBAL company: look at global sales numbers, and think globally.
Nintendo will probably still be making game consoles until long after we're all dead.
I really wish Nintendo made something I actually wanted to buy.
You are in charge of your desires and expectations; your lack of interest is (and can only ever be) your responsibility. Have you considered expanding the scope of things which you enjoy?
Learning to enjoy/appreciate a wide variety of things is part of what makes life great.
The Wii was a misstep in the eyes of people who like video games, even if it spoke highly to casuals and any mom who didn't want to drop more money on superior systems for Christmas. Get what I'm saying now?
Yes, I understand that you speak from a place of ignorance; it's perfectly clear. If you think being an entitled white person makes you able to speak for everyone: you're way off the mark.
Your post is highly ethnocentric; you don't seem to realize that in other parts of the world -- the parts of the world where the live (Asia) -- that Nintendo has been the king of the video game mountain for around 3 decades. The majority of the global population doesn't even celebrate Christmas. You said Nintendo made a bad move with Wii, but companies like Sony and Microsoft would love to have the kind of success (and have the kind of liquidity) that Nintendo has continued to see. Go and have a trip to Asia and you'll be hard-pressed to find an Xbox, but you'll almost definitely see something manufactured by Nintendo in the hands of many people ... kids, adults ... and, yes, they all like video games.
You say "superior systems" like a gaming console is all technical specifications, but that's just not the case; "superior" is a relative term, so if you're going to throw it around: we need to define the terms. I would argue that a device is "superior" to another if it serves its user in a more satisfactory way, and that's all. For some things: a stick is better than a shovel, regardless of how technologically advanced a shovel might be when compared to the stick.
Sure, the Wii is collecting dust on shelves now, but so is pretty much every other console from every previous generation, so that argument just doesn't hold water; your Xbox360 will be collecting dust all the same in a few years.
Finally, if you think making a bunch of uninformed claims and swearing makes you sound like an informed adult: you're wrong; it just makes you sound like an ignorant child who has a chip on their shoulder.
Good now maybe they'll put the fucking GBA backlog on the eShop on my 3DS and stop making "consoles" to compete with MS/Sony. Nintendo really fucked up with the Wii and the U, but the good news is they have always been the best at handhelds...
You need to do your research before you bash the Wii, which is the 5th best selling game console of ALL TIME; the 4 consoles ahead of it are all from previous generations of gaming consoles, and 2 of them were also manufactured by Nintendo.
The Wii outsold PS3 and Xbox 360 by over 20 MILLION units. Nintendo almost literally mopped the floor with both Sony AND Microsoft last generation, and that's NOT including their massive, world-wide success with hand-held consoles. (Even the GameBoy Advance outsold PS3 and XB360!)
No: the Wii was not a Nintendo misstep by any means. Not a lot of entertainment companies maintain liquidity on the order of $20 BILLION.
Use your keyboard!
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