Nintendo should stop making consoles

Alright I'll preface this by saying that this is in no a way a rant about the Wii being a bad console (because it isn't). It's more of a wish for the future that would benefit the end users.   
 
So the thing about the Wii is that it is an inferior piece of hardware. Let's be honest. It just can't support the kind of games that the PS3 and Xbox 360 can. Because of that, the only reason to own a Wii is for the brilliant first-party games that Nintendo develops: your Zeldas and Marios etc. I think Nintendo has a lot to offer us in terms of IPs.  
 
But all of those games could run just as well, or even better on the other consoles. Imagine a Metroid game running on modern hardware! It's true that Nintendo used to have the trump card of motion controls, but that has changed with the advent of the Move and Kinect. Thus I think in a perfect world, Nintendo would not produce a new console and would instead begin developing games for other platforms. They could create games that aren't inhibited by their poor hardware and frankly sometimes baffling choices of service (friend codes anyone?). I think this would be a great thing for us the users.
 
Will this happen? No. Why? Cause Nintendo likes money. And you can't blame them. Their business model has served them well. But still, we can dream right?

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Posted by Dtat

Alright I'll preface this by saying that this is in no a way a rant about the Wii being a bad console (because it isn't). It's more of a wish for the future that would benefit the end users.   
 
So the thing about the Wii is that it is an inferior piece of hardware. Let's be honest. It just can't support the kind of games that the PS3 and Xbox 360 can. Because of that, the only reason to own a Wii is for the brilliant first-party games that Nintendo develops: your Zeldas and Marios etc. I think Nintendo has a lot to offer us in terms of IPs.  
 
But all of those games could run just as well, or even better on the other consoles. Imagine a Metroid game running on modern hardware! It's true that Nintendo used to have the trump card of motion controls, but that has changed with the advent of the Move and Kinect. Thus I think in a perfect world, Nintendo would not produce a new console and would instead begin developing games for other platforms. They could create games that aren't inhibited by their poor hardware and frankly sometimes baffling choices of service (friend codes anyone?). I think this would be a great thing for us the users.
 
Will this happen? No. Why? Cause Nintendo likes money. And you can't blame them. Their business model has served them well. But still, we can dream right?

Posted by McGhee

I've been thinking this for a while, but, like you said, it won't happen. 
 
I have not bought a Wii, but I'm hoping that the next system they make will step up the technology like the 3DS is doing.

Posted by alternate

Don't ever go in to business, seriously.

Posted by SethPhotopoulos

Nintendo could make a powerful console in the next generation.  They aren't stupid and they probably will figure out, if they haven't already, how to make more powerful hardware while also maintaining high sales.

Posted by MikkaQ

Yeah I really wish they took the sega route for home consoles. They still can make a mean handheld, but dude I dunno...

Posted by Underachiever007

Or maybe their next console will just have cutting edge hardware along with the motion control. I hope.

Posted by RE_Player1

I thought this was going to be an interesting thread where you pin-point why Nintendo should stop making consoles and focus on the handheld market since they are dominating it... I was wrong. 

Posted by alternate
@XII_Sniper said:
" Yeah I really wish they took the sega route for home consoles.
Get taken over by a front company for the yakuza and make shitty games?
Posted by Scooper

I would love love love if Nintendo became just a publisher/devloper because they have great franchises and characters but I don't want to buy a crappy console to play their games. Also I'm not going to play a game in 2011 in 480p. That's no good.
 
You're right though. They won't stop making consoles, I think, for the coming future. It's just so profitable for them. Their business model is make a cheap system, make money on each system and come up with a new gimmick that gets people to buy it. I garantee the Wii2's new thing will be a pair of sandels or something that you have to wear and move about to play games but the tech will just essentialy be 2 wii remotes stuck to some shoes so they save money on that. Then they just get the CPU/GPU out of an iPhone and use that to run the games.

Posted by ProfessorEss

They obviously won't because of the position they're in but man oh man it would be something else if you could get Nintendo developed games for the platform of your choice.

Posted by Dtat
@SethPhotopoulos: @Underachiever007:  Definitely possible. I'd be totally fine with that too. But like I said, they make some very odd choices, and I have a feeling that their next console might fix some of the problems of the wii (like having proper online) while not moving forward in ways I would want. I won't rule them out though. I sure hope they get over the whole "people don't want HD games" idea.
Posted by Dtat
@RE_Player92: I was going to talk about that, but I decided to focus on what I'd like to see in the home market. You're right that they certainly know what they're doing better than anyone else in the handheld market. That's why it's not an issue to me. Like I said: this will never happen until they stop making money on the home consoles, so I didn't want to focus on the business aspects of it.
Posted by Bollard
@Dtat: 3 letters:  
 
3DS
Posted by Dtat
@Chavtheworld: 3DS is a handheld. I'm talking about the home consoles.
Posted by jlaudio7

Great post, I've also thought of this as well before Wii came out, but due to the Wii's worldwide success (as well as the DS') I don't think it will happen anytime soon, if ever.

Posted by GlenTennis
@Dtat said:
" Alright I'll preface this by saying that this is in no a way a rant about the Wii being a bad console... So the thing about the Wii is that it is an inferior piece of hardware. "
I'm sensing conflicting ideas here.
Posted by Brendan

Interesting idea, although I agree with the sentiments that Nintendo makes some mean good handheld consoles. 
Posted by Oullie

I'm happy your post didnt go the "Lets hack and slash at the Wii." I really never understood why people had to sit around and bash a console.
 
While I do agree the Wii has some weird quarks and that they do make great hand healds, I think the Wii is ...was (I haven't checked system prices recently) a way for people who didn't have money get a slightly updated system. It also has a more family feel in general, I think older people and the video game challenged feel less threatened by it. The Wii lives a lot because it can appeal to that audience that Xbox and PS3 probably wont regardless if they have fancy motion controls.

Posted by Dtat
@GlenTennis said:
" @Dtat said:
" Alright I'll preface this by saying that this is in no a way a rant about the Wii being a bad console... So the thing about the Wii is that it is an inferior piece of hardware. "
I'm sensing conflicting ideas here. "
Haha I knew that sounded weird. I guess the difference is that saying something is a "bad console" is a subjective statement encompassing everything about the system including its software ie: the games. Saying "inferior hardware" is just an objective way of saying that the actual hardware inside the box isn't capable of doing what an Xbox or PS3 can do. It's like saying that my PC is inferior to yours, because I have a slower processor and GPU. I doesn't mean I can't play good games on it.
Posted by Kjellm87

I would hate it if Nintendo did take that route, 
also the more console makers there is the better for the customer

Posted by Zidd
@Dtat: Nintendo made the console they did because of position of the gamecube in the market. Nintendo already took a huge risk by using motion control as the main input method of the Wii. If the Wii flopped then they could fallback on all of the DS money because the wii is cheap to manufacture and distribute (Nintendo has made money on every Wii since it launched.) The Wii is still incredibly successful and they are not in the position Sega was in when they were forced to leave the console market. Nintendo could not have competed with the PS3 and 360 had they decided to go with releasing a traditional console with traditional input. The next generation is when Nintendo may start to redeem themselves or they may just continue to make wii games and focus 100% on the casual market.
Posted by carlthenimrod

 You're just assuming that Nintendo won't be able to come up with anything else after motion controls. That's a poor assumption to make given the glorious history of Nintendo.

Posted by Claude

The Wii is not an inferior piece of hardware. I'll give you underpowered, but the inferior piece of hardware goes to the Xbox 360. I had that thing for two years and it broke, my launch day Wii still runs fine. The old argument that the Wii is only good for 1st party games is absurd. I've played some great 3rd party games on the Wii. Because of the Wii, Nintendo has put themselves in position to be a console leader not only this generation but next generation as well. I see two consoles living in a midlife crisis by adding motion controls in an effort to compete with the Wii. Long live Nintendo and long live my little motion box. Maybe one day, we'll go HD together.

Posted by iam3green

i think next generation they go with current current graphics. i mean by that is when the new consoles come out it will be current hardware. i think it would be cool doing that. there can actually be a system wars with all three again. the best example is comparing dead rising for wii and xbox 360. the wii version had far less zombies and graphics weren't good. the xbox 360 version it just had more zombies and graphics are good.

Posted by Deeveeus

I think Nintendo purposely stepped back and didn't go to hell with power as to keep it cheaper and simpler...and it worked very well

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@Dtat said:

" Alright I'll preface this by saying that this is in no a way a rant about the Wii being a bad console (because it isn't). It's more of a wish for the future that would benefit the end users.    So the thing about the Wii is that it is an inferior piece of hardware. Let's be honest. It just can't support the kind of games that the PS3 and Xbox 360 can. Because of that, the only reason to own a Wii is for the brilliant first-party games that Nintendo develops: your Zeldas and Marios etc. I think Nintendo has a lot to offer us in terms of IPs.   But all of those games could run just as well, or even better on the other consoles. Imagine a Metroid game running on modern hardware! It's true that Nintendo used to have the trump card of motion controls, but that has changed with the advent of the Move and Kinect. Thus I think in a perfect world, Nintendo would not produce a new console and would instead begin developing games for other platforms. They could create games that aren't inhibited by their poor hardware and frankly sometimes baffling choices of service (friend codes anyone?). I think this would be a great thing for us the users. Will this happen? No. Why? Cause Nintendo likes money. And you can't blame them. Their business model has served them well. But still, we can dream right? "

No really you can't imagine/dream that happening.
 
Thinking in this kind of model is never going to happen and here's why:
 
  • After the success of the Wii in the mass market when it comes to sales, this will only put Nintendo on stronger ground. 
  • The Eighth Generation will have Nintendo back again with a brand new console.You can bet on that.
  • Even if we did take your theory, what is going to happen to Original IPs like the one's you mentioned? Develop/Sell them to rival companies? Or use them to produce more powerful games on new hardware?
  • Nintendo will learn from their mistakes, and this goes to online play that is a stupid mess with its current form and many others.
  • What makes you think Motion will still be their main "trick in the box"? I highly doubt that.
 
 In a perfect world your thoughts are great but we live in an imperfect world that is full of possibilities and I believe that the one you mentioned is beyond implementation.
Posted by RichardLOlson

Yes I totally agree.  Nintendo should stop making consoles, and just stick with games for other consoles.  The two major players in the console wars are Microsoft and Sony.  Just let those two duke it out for the championship for best console and leave it at that.

Posted by Sin4profit
@Claude: i dunno that "the powerhouse broke, the underdog lives on" is a valid argument for superior technology. By that logic, i have a calculator somewhere far superior to all these consoles. add to the fact that most things that you don't use will last longer then things with added wear and tear. So the candle that burns brightest burns out fastest. 
 
It's a hard argument to say Nintendo has inferior hardware though as what they've added in forms of innovation count for a lot. wasn't the first analog stick on the N64? They were surely the first to influence the idea and they still bring new ideas to the table on the hardware side. 
 
Their problem is they don't have enough real support. Yes, first party games are great but i'm amazed to see Nintendo these days. Here is a company that saved videogames, saved them from the shovelware business model that Atari had created and now it looks like Nintendo is repeating Atari's bad history because Nintendo knows they have to have some consistency in availability of new software to keep their hardware alive, or relevant. 
 
So i can understand where it seems like a good idea to have Nintendo go the way of Sega but Nintendo are still pioneers in the industry especially as far as hardware goes. When they come out with a console that seems to have run out of ideas, kinda like what i thought of the Gamecube, then we'll talk again about dumping Nintendo.
Posted by Claude
@Sin4profit:  I bought my Xbox 360 in July of 2008 and it broke two years later. In those two years, it would sit idle for a month sometimes. I play my Wii every day and that's from November of 2006. And bringing back the shovleware from the crash of 1983 is a hard sale, the video game market has grown leaps and bounds since those days. We won't see a crash like that again. Also, Nintendo doesn't have a problem other than creating more market share.
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@Kjellm87 said:

" I would hate it if Nintendo did take that route,  also the more console makers there is the better for the customer "

The video game crash of 1983 says hello. 
Posted by Tireyo
@SethPhotopoulos said:
" Nintendo could make a powerful console in the next generation.  They aren't stupid and they probably will figure out, if they haven't already, how to make more powerful hardware while also maintaining high sales. "
This.
Posted by B0nd07
@Claude said:
" The Wii is not an inferior piece of hardware. I'll give you underpowered, but the inferior piece of hardware goes to the Xbox 360. I had that thing for two years and it broke, my launch day Wii still runs fine. The old argument that the Wii is only good for 1st party games is absurd. I've played some great 3rd party games on the Wii. Because of the Wii, Nintendo has put themselves in position to be a console leader not only this generation but next generation as well. I see two consoles living in a midlife crisis by adding motion controls in an effort to compete with the Wii. Long live Nintendo and long live my little motion box. Maybe one day, we'll go HD together. "
Quoted for truth.
 
Nintendo is sitting at the top of both the home and portable markets this generation.  They're not going anywhere.  No matter how much, for whatever reason, you think they should.  Microsoft and Sony both brought out motion controls 3/4 of the way through this generation just to compete with the Wii's sales.  Just because you don't like the Wii, or think it's inferior, does not mean Nintendo should call it quits and never learn from whatever mistakes they might have made.
Posted by Fripplebubby

Right, because it's not like they're making oodles and oodles of dough as it is.  
 
OWAIT

Posted by Meowayne

 It just can't support the kind of games that the PS3 and Xbox 360 can


Exactly. That's the point.
 


Because of that, the only reason to own a Wii is for the brilliant first-party games that Nintendo develops: your Zeldas and Marios etc.

 
Meep. Disqualified in the first round. Sorry kid.
Posted by Sweep
@Chavtheworld said:
" @Dtat: 3 letters:   3DS "
3 = number, not a letter. Silly rabbit.
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@SathingtonWaltz said:

" @Kjellm87 said:

" I would hate it if Nintendo did take that route,  also the more console makers there is the better for the customer "

The video game crash of 1983 says hello.  "
I guess, I was  thinking more about monopoly can drop the quality and rise the prices. 
 
As people said, GC was on par with the rest, but that wasen't enough for Nintendo to be in the business in the long run,  
they did a big risk this gen and it payed off, focusing on motion rather than powar. But I AM expecting stronger stuff next gen
Posted by Emilio

Wow, I feel like I have been reading this topic since 2006.
 
If you want, I can make a long reply on this topic with some of my opinions.
Otherwise, I'll just say this: "Turkey Sandwich"

Posted by FreakAche

I really wish a scenario like this would play out, although I know it never will.

Posted by Claude
Posted by CommodoreGroovy

I have also thought of how things would work if Nintendo became a third party developer. If Nintendo focused less on making systems every five years, and more on games, there would be more quality and quantity from Nintendo's IPs. All that time and money spent on making and maintaining consoles, we wouldn't have to wait 3-4 years between installments of series like Zelda or Mario. 

Posted by Emilio
@Claude:  
Too many of our members have been assassinated.
Posted by Sin4profit
@Claude: i don't believe we will see a crash like in 1983 again either. That isn't to say Nintendo, on the console hardware front, won't dye out in the future. By saturating the market with shovelware to motivate relevance for their hardware they're going to burn out these new coming casual market while that market realizes they can get more mileage out of games on their phones or for free on the internet. 
I believe most of the gamers around here don't want Nintendo to die, a lot of us grew up with them, and we just want them to focus on what the gamers want and not what their share holders want. 
They are a smart business company but i fear if they come up too late and fail to release a console that can catch up when it needs to then they will have no choice but to abandon their console market. 
And then we'll all be playing Zelda and Mario on Apple's brand new gaming console.
Posted by Dalai

Maybe Nintendo should just go back to making Hanafuda cards. Because that's why we love Nintendo, right?

Posted by BBQBram

The hardware is their bread and butter. Of course their IPs sell well, but that's nothing compared to hardware sales.

Posted by Claude
@Emilio said:
" @Claude:  Too many of our members have been assassinated. "
oldschool and Al3and3r committed Seppuku after Linky got banned. No assassins were at hand.
Edited by President_Barackbar

You know, at this point I basically consider Nintendo to be in the toy business. That's basically what the Wii is, a toy. it doesn't really have features that most gamers want. The folly everyone seems to be a part of is thinking Nintendo wants to be like Sony and Microsoft. They are #1 in sales because they make products for the biggest and easiest sales demographic: kids. Its easy to get kids to buy games, and that's why so much shovelware exists for the platform. Every once and a while they throw out a quality title for actual gamers, but for the most part their business model works just fine. They can survive on kids games and kids sales alone because Sony and Microsoft can't crack that market.

Posted by Gamer_152

You talk about the end users but "core" fans of Nintendo only make up a small portion of Nintendo's consumer base now. I think a lot of people forget that "casual" consumers have just as much of a right to enjoy games as we do. If Nintendo did drop everything to start making first-party games on non-Nintendo platform they'd be letting down the majority of their customer base. I'm also a little sceptical of any console being removed from the market because the less consoles there are out there the closer the market gets to a monopoly.

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Posted by Hunkulese
@Dtat: You're missing the point of the wii. It's not targeting "hardcore" gamers. It does what it intends to do very well. Putting Nintendo games on a high end console isn't in the best interest of the majority. The Wii is a cheaper option for casual gamers who want to play casual games. I hate to break it to you but there are a hell of a lot more casual gamers than hardcore gamers.  
Posted by Dtat
@Gamer_152: You might be right about that, but think about how many non "core" gamers own Xbox 360s now. And remember, this is just what I would like to see. I would be stoked if I could play Nintendo games on other consoles. My main point is that any Nintendo game could run on any other machine. I just have a dream in which I only need one box under my TV. I think we can all agree that would be nice.
Posted by Dtat
@B0nd07 said:
" @Claude said:
" The Wii is not an inferior piece of hardware. I'll give you underpowered, but the inferior piece of hardware goes to the Xbox 360. I had that thing for two years and it broke, my launch day Wii still runs fine. The old argument that the Wii is only good for 1st party games is absurd. I've played some great 3rd party games on the Wii. Because of the Wii, Nintendo has put themselves in position to be a console leader not only this generation but next generation as well. I see two consoles living in a midlife crisis by adding motion controls in an effort to compete with the Wii. Long live Nintendo and long live my little motion box. Maybe one day, we'll go HD together. "
Quoted for truth.  Nintendo is sitting at the top of both the home and portable markets this generation.  They're not going anywhere.  No matter how much, for whatever reason, you think they should.  Microsoft and Sony both brought out motion controls 3/4 of the way through this generation just to compete with the Wii's sales.  Just because you don't like the Wii, or think it's inferior, does not mean Nintendo should call it quits and never learn from whatever mistakes they might have made. "
you're getting stuck on the word "inferior." If I changed the word to "underpowered" it would be the exact same argument. It's not that I don't like the Wii. I just wish Nintendo's games weren't being held back by the hardware. Now please tell me how super Mario Galaxy looks fantastic. Because you're right! But it would look just as good and play just as well on any other console. That's all I'm saying. I hope you're right that their next console pushes the limits. I would be freakin stoked to buy it.
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