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I think I saw an ahegao hoodie once.

@bigsocrates: I'm saying people don't get paid to be artists because people become artists because it's a job. It had to start somewhere and if it doesn't already exist as a job, it doesn't make sense to take it up as a career. You're saying "But it does exist as a job" and I'm saying "But it didn't always". We're just coming at it from different directions.

Theft might destroy cultural mass production, but it doesn't stop people from making art or other people from enjoying it. People make and consume free art all the time and I'd posit that most art is never seen by anyone but the artist. AI might change some artistic industries, but it won't change humanity.

The system isn't new. As you say, it's centuries old. I'm new to the system. I was born relatively recently in terms of human society and I'm coming to it fresh after it's had many centuries of progression. The system isn't strange, because it's presumably developed by some kind of consensus, deliberately or not. The way it's developed isn't intuitive to me. I'm the strange one.

Also, people do still want to consume printed type, it's just made by computers now, so it's perfectly analogous to the original topic.

@bigsocrates: It just feels backwards to me, like it's contrived in order to make people money, not because people want to pay for it but because people want to be paid for it.

"I want to be paid for this thing I do." Why? Because you do it? Why are you turning the thing you're doing into something that makes money instead of doing something that makes money already? The system is only built to pay artists because artists want to be paid. I wouldn't train as a lawnmower and then mow lawns on spec expecting to be paid later. It's like any industry, either you can get a paying job doing the thing or you can't. Sometimes whole careers just disappear. Illegal weed dealers are having to move onto other things. Nobody's mourning the loss of the manual typesetting industry anymore, but I'm sure people still do it as a hobby.

That's just the configuration my mind is in. I'm not saying capitalistic job creation for the sake of it is wrong, it's just how my mind naturally approaches the situation and it's hard to consider it differently.

Taking money out of it, I suppose if I was only mowing lawns for the credit, I'd be upset if someone else took that credit, but that's the thing - I don't understand the appeal of credit. I don't understand the social status and recognition that come with it.

@ben_h: So would it not be an issue if the AI was able to generate things further away from the initial source material? The way I see it is that the training data is the way AI learns what things look like, just like how humans spend years looking at what existing things look like to create their own similar things.

I think part of the problem I have is that I just fundamentally don't understand copyright and attribution and the idea of stealing art. I don't understand why people want credit for their work, just like you probably don't understand why I don't understand that. There's just some step in the logic that I can't follow.

This is something I don't understand about complaints of AI using copyrighted material to generate assets - humans do the same thing. No artist has gotten their education by only looking at public domain art. Musicians don't list Audio Network or Wikimedia Commons as sources of inspiration during interviews. I don't know why computers getting ideas from existing content is any worse than humans doing it.

As a big fan of Fuser, I'm glad there's some hope of something similar in the future. The Jam Stage is pretty fun already now that a few more songs have been added. Festival's the only reason I play Fortnite now, after putting about 200 hours into it last year.

Boom. Determinism.

Did they not get the old video player in the purchase? Can't they just put that back temporarily, or is there some user tracking in the Fandom player that they don't want to lose? If they want to track something, they should track where I stopped watching a video.

It's not all Fandom's fault. The site started being actively hard to use and navigate in the last redesign, around 2019. I still think of this as "the new design" because I've never felt comfortable finding my way around. The video player collapsing in on itself is just following suit.

I think this is the biggest reason - they don't do pre-recorded videos anymore, it's all just livestreams.