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@Wrighteous86 said:

Now we realize that's not the case, and it's insulting that they basically cheated us out of an experience.

It was the case from the very beginning with From Ashes. From Ashes isn't really relating to the ending but people have always considered it essential content that provides backstory, depth and more context that the game is worse off without.

@bushpusherr said:

That's ridiculous. Before the public had access to the DLC (or even he had access to it), he said that he didn't feel like there was a giant Prothean sized hole in the game where they had obviously cut out content to make DLC. Playing it after it came out and he had already finished the game, he said that he didn't feel like he missed out for not having it all along (not knowing how much additional context he provides as a party member throughout different areas in the game, since Jeff got him after the game was over). The rest of the Bombcast then filled him in as they played it and let him know how much he actually missed by not having it.

I have no idea what you find wrong with either of the things he said at either of those times.

The problem I have is that the problems people had with From Ashes were dismissed as whining and the DLC was defended with little to no experience at the time. As you say the rest of the crew filled Jeff in later on telling him what he missed out on essentially backing the complaints a lot of people had at the time, the stuff that was just dismissed as whining.

@Wrighteous86 said:

Also... that direct quote can still be attributed to Brad talking about all the DLC, and not just the ending. The additions through DLC have improved the execution of the ending... You can tell that's what he means via the context of that statement. I don't see what your point is. Leviathan alone improved the execution of the ending (even without the Extended Ending).

I think the point was that both Leviathan and the extended cut improved the ending. He played the game with everything, both Leviathan and the extended cut so clearly "the way I played the game" includes both. I don't think you can really pick that apart.

@bushpusherr said:

What are you people even talking about?? Jeff wasn't bothered by the From Ashes stuff because he didn't get to play through the game with the extra character, he mostly just saw it as a lack-luster mission and a few dialogue wheels, so he didn't feel like he missed anything significant from it. However, you can go back to previous bombcasts around that time period and listen to the other guys as they were making their way through the game with the DLC from the start, and they were telling Jeff that he WAS missing out on something, and that it was really stupid for Bioware to cut that from the standard experience.

Their outrage on the bombcast is coming from all of these problems viewed as a WHOLE, which is a perspective that is only now available to them, and it's their first chance to talk in depth and in detail about it.

You guys are acting like they were white knights for this game, defending it against all comers, and now suddenly they are betraying their loyalty or some stupid shit. This is absurd.

He was defending From Ashes against people that had issue with it feeling like content cut from the game to make up day one DLC, a sentiment some of the other crew came to realise once playing it. Him making that case without actually playing it is worse.

@bushpusherr said:

They've only "changed" their stance (in the sense that it's slightly more harsh now) because A) They are finally able to talk about the specifics in detail, B) They've all finished it now so they all know what's going on, and C) All the new shit that's come to light with how they've handled the story via DLC. Like they said, Brad didn't have a ME3 experience like anyone else did, because he played through all the DLC right a long with the campaign, and it seemed to significantly improve his experience because of the story it involves. It was obvious that THAT's what they were most angry about (and COULDNT have been angry about before because they didn't know about how the DLC would be handled.) This is so ridiculous you are even upset about this.

That is true with Leviathan but it didn't attract as much outrage as From Ashes because that was day one DLC and considered to be an significant part of the story. Their stance from early on with that has changed.

@Wrighteous86 said:

Jeff also said that he was only coming to that opinion as someone who played the game without that content. He said that it didn't feel like it was "cut out". There wasn't a Javik shaped hole in the game, essentially. So... you're misrepresenting his position. All he said is that he didn't "notice" something was missing. Knowing what he knows now, he probably thinks it would've improved on areas of the game that needed work, but there was no way he could've known that before release.

You guys just want to be validated that you're all "so much smarter" than video game journalists. For the most part, Giant Bomb handled the ME3 controversy well. Get over it.

I was more talking about the general consensus of the crew. Back when ME3 was released they all thought it was OK and people were whining for no good reason but once Brad started playing the attitude from most of them has shifted including Jeff to some extent. Their stance now backs up most of what people were complaining about when the game was released, but back then they didn't really have that support most of the press were saying that the way the DLC was done was fine and pretty much shot down everyone that was complaining saying they were whiners that had no good reason.

The biggest attitude switch was on the From Ashes day one DLC. There was a lot of bitching from people about that and it being day 1 but a lot of the gaming press were defending it. I remember them or at least Jeff defending it on the Bombcast with the usual excuses of they make that stuff after the game has gone to cert, clearly they didn't and it was either cut or just a major part that was designed out of the game to be sold extra if you didn't get CE. Now they are bitching about it like all the players were.