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Adieu my friends, i bid you all farewell, My name was Endogene

My name is Endogène,

 I'm the 6th most important contributor to GiantBomb.com out of a total of 42985 members with a total of 57329 points that i got on 3523 different pages. I joined the site July 21, 2008, the day the site was launched. Including this final blog post i will have posted 3858 comments on the site. I am in the top 10 poster rank of both the "delete and combine" forum and the "editing and tools" forum. After I was chosen to become a moderator I moderated over 6000 submissions and posted  232 times in the "moderation hangout" placing 3rd on the top poster list. Today i turn my back to this all.

I've genuinely enjoyed the countless hours I've spend on Giant Bomb. I loved helping out others, I loved adding information for others to see, I loved all the silliness of the forums and the great personalities that visit them yet i do no longer want this all.


My name is Endogène


When i first visited the forums things where wild, uncertain, nothing was decided, no rules existed same was for the Wiki part of the site, the one promoted to be the big feature of GiantBomb that was buried under submissions that moderators who were chosen out of those who had the most points in the early hours that the site launched. I've got the my first real attention by defending non censured images from adult games, most notably Bible Black. I've spend days saying that if the site wants to be a encyclopedia it should allow everything without exception be it offending or not while being yelled at and called names by others before finally a staff member came out with a small message saying that it was an okay thing to do. I then gained some more popularity helping others out with wiki related questions and moving data over from duplicate pages. It was great being a meaningful part of something constructive on such a big scale.
Once i had hit 5000 points i started adding new pages to the site at alarming speeds so that users who did not already had 5K points whould have pages that they could work on without having to wait on moderation. I continued working on the wiki to a point that i reached the top 100 that was crowded with people who gamed the system be it by bugs or willingly. I was proud, my name on that page meant that i had helped others out.
As i continued working on wiki pages my rank as my "notoriety" climbed, I was never afraid to defend what i believe in and and take on  the things I oppose. I've often got into conflict with other users due to this, however I am proud of the amount of self control and objectivity i've shown during these arguments and that I have never verbally disrespected others. 
During my stay on GiantBomb I've done my best promoting games that needed attention by either posting about them or filling in their wiki articles as good as i could, I was always proud and happy once i was done making a wiki page for a game yet sad at the same time since i knew that if i did not do it nobody would...
After some months I as well as another two users were added to the moderation team, two wiki mods, one forum mod. I delved into the submission queue checking everyone of the for plagiarism and correcting them if needed, i would always leave a detailed comment for the users explaining when i would deny a submission explaing how they should do it next time. At the end all my effort was for nothing, the reply function of the moderation queue was broken since the site launched, nobody told me... I was upset.


My name is Endogène

I am tired, tired of seeing so much of everyone their effort being wasted. GiantBomb is supposed to be a community site, yet it's founders neglect it all together. How is a community supposed to prosper if it's founders do not support it? It pains me to see users troubled with the site, asking it's creators directly for change, proposing ideas be they hard or simple to implement and seeing no word what so ever from these founders to a point that the mods have to come over and to say the GiantBomb team is but small and can't take care of everything. I agreed with those who said that when the site was created but seeing the same issue still exist now that the site has almost hit its one year mark makes it hard for me to believe that they even care. GiantBomb's business model seems to be to pump out as many different features as possible that will lure new users in but by doing this they are neglecting what their core, the people who invest their personal time in making the site what it is want. The never ending trivia and the achievement feature might be nice but there are so many things that actually matter that need to be done.
After I had become a moderator I've done nothing but try and make the founders realize the things that were absolutely needed being fixed, added, clarified all in vain. Never did the founders even answered my request even when supported by the other moderators, the only time i had contact with one of them is when i started doing what they had always neglected out of my own, delete duplicate page. I used the tool that allowed us moderators to rename game pages to change duplicate games into games that were not yet added to the database. I got a message asking what i was doing and after explaining how i was "deleting" pages I was told that it was okay to do. Afterwards i discussed it with the other mods and we stumbled upon some cases where this method might break the site. I messaged the founder again asking if i still had green light  ot use this method despite the risky pages, i never got an answer and thus found myself uncertain if i could continue or not, I had no choice then stop. With pain I would see the list of pages that needed to be deleted more and more. As time passes more issues rise, the community discusses them, proposes solutions, no answer, nothing happens... Do the founders live in a tower so high above ground that they do only see clouds under them and not those below struggling?


My name is Endogène

No longer will I stay here, no longer will i accept this behavior towards those who support you. I hope that I will be the only one who has to leave for you to understand that they way you are neglecting your core is unacceptable. I hope that you will see reason and that GiantBomb will become what it is supposed to be, a community site!


For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels
And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows
And did it my way!


My name was Endogène!

Mirror: http://lastwordsbyendogene.blogspot.com/


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@Supermarius said:
" It seems weird to make pornographic video games your legacy. Lets be honest, none of those games are particularly good and noone plays them for the compelling gameplay. They play them until they get excited, then they take care of business, then they stop. Is that really that awesome? I think i'd prefer it if there wasn't content on giantbomb that ppl are prolly jerking it to. H-games remind me of the N-gage: you take two things that are good, porn and video games and make one crappy thing. A videogame without good gameplay containing weird porn that not as good as the porn you could be looking at on the very computer where you are likely playing the H-game. I mean, havent you ppl heard of Redtube? Look at some porn THEN play an actually good game. "
While they are demeaning, they are still GAMES. If GiantBomb wants to have a complete wiki they cant pick and choose what is acceptable. I also doubt anyone is masturbating to these games wiki pages.
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I actually do look up games. When I'm here why go to Wikipedia.




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@iplaygames said:
" @ahriman22: Because their game articles are fairly well written and thorough. Does it really take that much effort to open up a new window and go to Google?It's not like I'm saying we should all leave GB and go to Wikipedia. I just think the wiki here is weak and done better other places. "
You are part of the problem.  Please go away.
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Edited By Commando

One other problem, is I can submit a whole new game, and 4 full paragraphs about a game, and get 20 points. Then someone else uploads 20 pictures, and edits in 2 sentences, and gets 75 points. Anyone can google screenshots of a game and submit them(which is exactly what they did).

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You are pretty awesome Endogene, and I am sorry that you have to leave on such bad terms with the site.

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@iAmJohn:

How am I part of the problem? I think this site's great--just the wiki part isn't why I'm here. I'll be staying, thanks.
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The day that GiantBomb replaces Wikipedia for Game Encyclopedia popularity and quality is a dream of mine. Even though I do disagree with most of what you said, I still have to thank you for helping that dream, and the rest of the site.

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Bummer that he's leaving, I like the guy. Larger bummer that he had to make such a huge deal about it. Though I chuckeled at the statement "Giant bomb neglected it's core." It sounds like he's comparing Giantbomb to Nintendo and the Wii.

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@iplaygames: Then your basically proving one of his points. If I read it correctly,he thinks the wiki is being poorly supported. This site began as a wiki and community website. The wiki slowly began to fall behind when other features began popping up. I guess he feels that this caused them to not really give a crap about the wiki as much either. Also, if you think the wiki is poorly written help out by writing stuff of your own.

I don't agree with him in saying that their don't give a shit about us at all. If they don't ,what the hell is the point of anyone of us being here?What's the point of this site?

Whatever..Endogene you were a cool guy and it's sad you feel that you have to leave. Good luck with whatever you do in the future.
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Edited By Expletive

even though my post count doesn't show it, i have been here since the beginning also. and it is sad to see you go

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i dont think u should leave...but all the luck to ya bro good bye

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Hmmm... I was gonna call melodramatic on you, but dude you're endogene, and are a FREAKING MOD. HOLY SHIT, YOU'RE A MOD.

AND HOLY SHIT A MOD INSULTED THE GB STAFF! HOLY SHIT. Goodbye dude.

EDIT: It seens that people ARE just calling melodramatic. But guys endogene used to be one of the core guys of giantbomb, I remember him on DAY ONE putting his effort into helping this site grow. This isn't just some random dude posting about his drama. This is a mod. Guys, I can't stress this enough: HE'S A FUCKING MOD. HOLY SHIT!

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@Commando: i am the second highest editor on the madden 09 page because i corrected about 10 misspelled names and got 320 points for it, so i pretty much completely agree with you

and about the topic: as everyone has said, this is very melodramatic and his name is indeed endogene
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@Red said:
" The day that GiantBomb replaces Wikipedia for Game Encyclopedia popularity and quality is a dream of mine. Even though I do disagree with most of what you said, I still have to thank you for helping that dream, and the rest of the site. "
My entry on the game Trog! will put us 1 step closer!  Also I feel, if nothing else, the formatting for the article is much better than its wikipedia counterpart!  :D
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@Shini4444:

Well, this site really began as a podcast before it was even a wiki. That's what brought me and a lot of other people over from Gamespot--it was the personalities. But, I guess I get what you and the other guys are saying. If you really cared about the wiki here you might be pretty pissed.

I'm not gonna reply anymore in this thread. I'm sure everyone's pretty sick of reading my posts and rantings--and for that I'm sorry.
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but in all seriousness, the wiki is powered by pancakes and booze, do you expect it to be that great?

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the wiki is nice, but i agree that its not the best or most important part of the site. Honestly I think that the wiki is a very clever way for the GB crew to generate a game database as large or larger than gamespot or ign in a fraction of the time, for a fraction of the cost. The site isn't old like gamespot so it cant have review of all the old games from the staff, but the the wiki addresses that deficiency perfectly. For me, while i have contributed some things and plan to contribute more i definitely come back more for quick looks, podcasts, and the forums.

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@NickL said:
" but in all seriousness, the wiki is powered by pancakes and booze, do you expect it to be that great? "
Considering those are two of the greatest inventions known to man, yes. >:(
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Wow, that was a read....kind of makes me think differently of the site.

Take care man.

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I have to agree with Endogene.  Some of the goodies we've gotten lately are nice and all, but the wiki has been largely ignored for a while now.  Maybe the staff is stretched too thin... who knows?  Hopefully things will get fixed around here soon.

See you on the other side of the moon, Endogene.

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You probably don't recognize me, but I have been here since day 1 too, and I can certainly say that it won't be the same around here without you. Goodbye.

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tl;dr
I guess you're leaving so bye.

EDIT: Ok, I kinda skimmed and it seems that you're complaining about something stupid and being really melodramatic about it. So, good riddance. If this isn't the case, my bad but it sure seems that way.

SECOND EDIT: Not sure why I'm replying like this but I finally read this. And holy christ, shut up. You're annoying.  If you don't like it, leave. You don't need to make a long ass cry for attention blog post. It's a fucking video game website. If this is really that important to you, then you need to find something worth wild in your life. That may sound harsh but it's true.

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I'm sad to see you go, Endogene. I was thinking that it was time for the staff to look at the past instead of the future, and fix / refine what they have already done (guides, wiki article revisions, delete powers, concept renaming, image mod tool fixes, etc.). Maybe that engineer they are looking for will help with things. But, when things are fixed / improved (I think they will be), you will still not be here. Would be best if you stayed. But, that is your decision to make. :(

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@Bucketdeth said:
" Wow, that was a read....kind of makes me think differently of the site.Take care man. "
Me too. You'll be missed Endogene.
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I'm gonna have to agree with the people saying that the wiki portion of the site is pretty lacking. While I love Giant Bomb for the videos and the articles and the podcasts, when I want info or guides on most games, I usually look elsewhere.  


Would I like to see the day that Giant Bomb is on par with sites like GameFAQs in terms of game info and guides? Hell yes.
Is it going to happen any time soon? No.

Also, while the site is almost a year old, the staff is still relatively small. You really can't expect them to take the time to listen to every single member's request. They do have lives outside of Giant Bomb, you know.
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@iAmJohn said:
" @NickL said:
" but in all seriousness, the wiki is powered by pancakes and booze, do you expect it to be that great? "
Considering those are two of the greatest inventions known to man, yes. >:(
"
Are there inventions not known to man?


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To be honest if I had to chose what the staff spent their time on I'd rather it be more video, podcasts and editorial content, as people have already said the wiki content is already out there on the net.

Does it really make much of a difference if i go to gamefaqs or giantbomb for a guide? no not really. Is giantbomb the only source for regular content made by jeff, ryan, brad and vinny? yes. perhaps the staff should focus on what makes this site different instead of diverting time and effort in stuff i can already experience elsewhere.

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@cdstacker said:
" To be honest if I had to chose what the staff spent their time on I'd rather it be more video, podcasts and editorial content, as people have already said the wiki content is already out there on the net.Does it really make much of a difference if i go to gamefaqs or giantbomb for a guide? no not really. Is giantbomb the only source for regular content made by jeff, ryan, brad and vinny? yes. perhaps the staff should focus on what makes this site different instead of diverting time and effort in stuff i can already experience elsewhere. "
Pretty much exactly this. I come here for Jeff, Ryan, Brad and Vinny. I certainly don't come here for the wiki (though it's nice to have) or you people (though you guys are sometimes are alright to have j/k sorta). Why waste their time with the wiki when they can be making great videos and podcasts? Sounds like the TC just wanted to whine and have everyone listen because "I'M A MOD AND I'M IMPORTANT!"
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@freezerr said:
" wow, just a touch melodramatic. "
Indeed. It seems like he sees himself as some sort of superhero.
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I read that entire page, although it does seem a bit exaggerated, he has a viable point. I agree with you man, the founders seem to be neglecting and maybe this statement will help them realize. I will miss you though, I remember you were the first to welcome me to the site, thank you and good luck for the future.

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As a fellow day one member, it's sad to see you go.  It's even sadder after reading your tale.  Though I feel you went a little over the top with certain points, I can certainly see where you're coming from (especially as someone who uses the site mainly as a means to post his reviews).
Giantbomb.com is among my favorite sites.  I joined for the four founders and stayed because of the users and content that was being pumped out.  Do I believe that, compared to other more fleshed out gaming sites that it is somewhat of a rickety cart?  Eeeeh, yeah.  Yeah I do.  Sadly, my conviction regarding this isn't strong enough for me to just pull up stakes and never return, as in fact I think I wouldn't want to.
But to avoid this post getting any longer, all I have to say is good luck with your future exploits.  Endogene, we barely knew ye.

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I don't know what's worse the original post or all the people sitting here and feeding this tool's already massive ego.

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Sorry to hear it has come to this, I do understand your position totally though, it seems you get little help from the powers that help with your role on site. Things may be a mess at the back end, but I would urge you to stick around and hope for a solution a little longer. If you above all were to leave that wiki editing will be in a mess, of that I am sure, because some of those other dudes haven't got a fricking clue.

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Holy shit, self indulging much?

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Where else is there to go? There's honestly no better community out there. I disagree that the higher-ups are completely ignoring us. It's only a few people who can only do so much at a time.

You think anyone at IGN or Gamespot gives a shit about you?

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@Milkman said:
" I don't know what's worse the original post or all the people sitting here and feeding this tool's already massive ego. "
Milkman: softcore trolling at it's finest.
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@Lies: I assume that's trolling that's all soft-lit with saxophone music?
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@Lies said:
" @Milkman said:
" I don't know what's worse the original post or all the people sitting here and feeding this tool's already massive ego. "
Milkman: softcore trolling at it's finest. "
Why am I trolling? Because I don't agree with the popular opinion? Because I don't feel need to praise this guy for being a self-indulgent crybaby?

Well, yeah, I guess I am trolling then. The fact that everyone is telling this guy how much they miss him is fucking stupid. Really, who gives a shit if this dude leaves?
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You'll leave for a while and then you'll be back... like the Bomb was crack.


Happy trails.
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@Lies said:
" @Milkman said:
" I don't know what's worse the original post or all the people sitting here and feeding this tool's already massive ego. "
Milkman: softcore trolling at it's finest. "
He's not trolling, knock it off. If you have a problem with him then take it up in PM's.
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I'm sorry it's had to come to this for you, Endogene. I was completely oblivious to the fact that there's been such a struggle with getting the people in charge to take such actions. I know the site still has some issues to work out, but I guess it's far worse than I could have ever imagined. Well, dude, don't think that all your work was a waste. I understand that you've lost all patience and probably all respect for this site, but we as a community appreciate your hard work. You've shown a great amount of dedication to this place with all the work you've done, so for someone of your level to outright leave over these issues, you really must feel very strongly about this. I hope your drastic measures really get the ball moving and can get the GB crew to address these problems. Best of luck to you, man.

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@buzz_clik said:
"@Lies: I assume that's trolling that's all soft-lit with saxophone music?"

Also; does not show penetration.
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@MB said:
" @Lies said:
" @Milkman said:
" I don't know what's worse the original post or all the people sitting here and feeding this tool's already massive ego. "
Milkman: softcore trolling at it's finest. "
He's not trolling, knock it off. If you have a problem with him then take it up in PM's. "
Calling Endogene a tool after all his contribution to the wiki just because he expresses his feelings isn't trolling? What? And you're a mod? :S
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So, uh, will your profile be deleted from the site so I can advance one more on the leaderboards? I'm around 85 now but every little bit helps.

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Okay. Meménto Mori, Endersgene. Alas, Alack, I never really knew you.

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@Al3xand3r said:
Calling Endogene a tool after all his contribution to the wiki just because he expresses his feelings isn't trolling? What? And you're a mod? :S "
Nope. When one posts something like this, one has to expect reactions from both sides of the fence. Milkman's opinion is valid. Let's carry on.
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@Al3xand3r said:
" @MB said:
" @Lies said:
" @Milkman said:
" I don't know what's worse the original post or all the people sitting here and feeding this tool's already massive ego. "
Milkman: softcore trolling at it's finest. "
He's not trolling, knock it off. If you have a problem with him then take it up in PM's. "
Calling Endogene a tool after all his contribution to the wiki just because he expresses his feelings isn't trolling? What? And you're a mod? :S "
Just because he's a contributed to the wiki makes him immune? I don't think so. I may just be expressing his feelings but it did it in the most attention grabbing whiny way possible, in my opinion. It's not like I'm the only one who feels this way either.
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I completely agree with everything you said Endogene. I think it's ridiculous that the GB staff do next to nothing to recognize the people who made them what they are. They have said it before, they obviously think they are better than their users. I think they need to straighten up, and start taking things more seriously.And also, as expected not a single comment from any of the 4 main staff members.