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#1 Edited by EXTomar (4951 posts) -

The extraordinary thing beyond the death with Garner is that this seemed to be a petty crime (edit: What level of crime is selling cigarettes improperly? I assume it is low level but it would be nice to know for sure).

This is what many are also saying that it isn't exactly a problem with police using "extreme force" but all too often they are using it for everything including penny-ante problems.

#2 Posted by EXTomar (4951 posts) -

The whole "Game of the Year" thing focuses on the wrong thing. The idea that you can declare any game as the be all end all super thing to play just for a year is crazy.

#3 Edited by EXTomar (4951 posts) -

I guess it was a terrible year if you put the blinders on and only see the things you hate. I for one think there were several good releasing showing the best gaming have to offer from the small scale to AAA productions. Games from Transistor to WoW: Warlords of Draenor where stellar.

If there was something "terrible" this year, it was how attitudes of video gamer has been show to be extremely fickle where it lead people to believe the hype on something then a day later turn on it screaming it is POS. This the same fickleness is the poison that feeds into the gamergame garbage.

#4 Posted by EXTomar (4951 posts) -

@dan_citi: According to Wilson Brown visibly handed the cigarillos to the person he was with either before or shortly after the beginning of the tussle at the vehicle, saying something like "Hold these"

I don't mean to keep beating a dead horse but I would seriously recommend reading the documents that are available. It's not just testimony, it's almost all of the documents from the investigation.

I was skeptical of the situation when I first heard about it, wondering exactly was the reason for an unarmed person to be shot to death by an officer. Now that it's all available, it makes much more sense, even though it is still a tragedy. I think a big injustice is that a lot of misinformation and allegations were made shortly after the incident, which the police were prevented from responding to. Thus a lot of preconceptions have developed assuming that information was true.

Wouldn't it be nice if the investigation was "clean" instead of borked? Letting the body lay there in the street for multiple hours is not good. Taking Wilson's statement hours later was not good. Collecting witness statements even later is not good.

I don't blame the grand jury for not going forward because the evidence is bogus either way. The forensics doesn't indicate either way because of lax handling and second guessing later. There is nothing left but a lot of preconceptions and misinformation because the initial investigation was so botched and tainted no one can be sure what happened.

#5 Posted by EXTomar (4951 posts) -

This broadcasting feature inside of Steam makes sense as a marketing thing. If you aren't sure if you want to buy Far Cry 4, click here to watch someone playing it now.

#6 Edited by EXTomar (4951 posts) -
@feanor said:

2 individuals get into some shit with one another and 300+ million people lose their minds. Why can't we all just realize there are shit people in this world, and they are going to do shit things.

Hello, you must be new to Giant Bomb where someone can post "*high profile console* crashed playing *high profile game*" and people lose their minds.

"Figuring out" who was guilty and innocent is important but feels like a distraction from the much larger issue at hand: How did they get into a situation where an unarmed kid got into a confrontation with an armed and trained police officer? Paint either as saints or the devil seems to be the wrong issue to focus on.

My dad who just retired as a police officer seems to be from a different era. He always suggests that if you were a uniform and wear a weapon and take an adversarial stance and tone will automatically be uncomfortable. At that stage if you move in closer or try to touch them, they will flinch or try to get away. Although he has nothing but his experience, he feels what probably happened was that Wilson touched or reached out to grab Brown which caused Wilson to freak out and start to trash around to get away. Neither would be at fault but mistakes were made by both.

#7 Edited by EXTomar (4951 posts) -

The thing about grand jury as a process is that although it is supposed to be objective and impartial, it is heavily influenced by the state and prosecution. Often times, these are held "closed door" and only one doing any presentation are the state and their experts. This works "okay" when it is weighing whether or not the state should bring someone to court for charges against someone but very dubious when it is state being charges against someone who works for the state. And also: If the DA really wants the case to go to court, they will let the grand jury know it by the way they show them witnesses and evidence. Likewise, if the DA really doesn't want this case to go to court they will also let them know it by doing the same thing or showing them little or weakly questioning witnesses.

A fundamental issue is that the District Attorney needs a good working relationship with the police and sheriff. Bringing up any police or sheriff/sheriff deputies on charges is always tricky and many wonder if this is a conflict of interest. A reform that many want in the grand jury process is using "special prosecutors" when the police or sheriff/sheriff deputies maybe charged. Lawyers and experts who do not need to work with the people they maybe accusing seems to be a sound thing to do.

#8 Posted by EXTomar (4951 posts) -

Pretty sure Brown didn't steal anything. At best he threw a tantrum by tossing the stuff back cashier. Does that mean he needs to be arrested or shot?

#9 Edited by EXTomar (4951 posts) -

@zevvion: They want what they think is justice done. They don't so much care for the evidence saying this was a justifiable shooting in defense of a man who was a known criminal. They want a man to go to jail because they think what happened was a representation for the injustice done to their community. Its a mob mentality that is dangerous and the reason direct democracy, or in this case justice, doesn't work.

On the other hand, those in power also have their vested interest in seeing justice done. They don't so much care for the evidence showing that the public's suspicions are justified in shooting an unarmed teenager who's only problem that was throwing a temper tantrum. They want a man to go free because they think what happened was just business as usual in the community. Its really a "good old boys club" and the reason direct democracy, or in this case justice, doesn't work.

Just saying...

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@manmadegod said:

@milkman said:

@athleticshark said:

@milkman: I'm not about to justify the news but at some point these are people making the decisions. Our culture and our country.

Also generalizing and relating the founding of our country to rioting leaves me speechless. A little thing called the revolutionary war happened.

Obviously, I would prefer if people didn't riot. But I'm not going to let that distract from the real issue here.

I'm not sure your point with your last statement. The United States of America was literally founded on riots and protest over taxes.

Just reading through the thread to catch up, and I can't help but comment on this. Comparing what happened in colonial America to Ferguson is disingenuous. I assume you are alluding to events such as the Boston Tea party, an event with a clear goal and message. Ferguson is chaos and looting as the family of the victim calls for peace. The concerns of the colonists were being aired for years before war broke out (ex: Virginia house of burgesses). These grievances were levied against a Parliamentary Monarchy, which is a far cry from means in which people in our society today can protest/change government. The events in Ferguson are a reaction to a single event of perceived injustice.

If Ferguson is in some way equivalent to the founding of the United States, then what protest isn't it comparable to.

So a little history lesson: The Seven Years War had a branch in the New World called by us as "French and Indian War" which was an astounding success. If you lived in the colonies out on the frontier, you were probably weeping for joy at the British Army breaking the back of French colonial aspirations in your backyard. The problem was that this success was expensive and labor intensive. Now they had a bunch of British troops stationed over here and spent a lot of money to win where the sensible thing to do from London's view was to order the states to host the army and apply taxes to help pay for the gigantic expense. For a lot of colonists, this made sense: American Colonies where the beneficiaries of the war where they should pay something for it isn't crazy or unreasonable.

At the start, it wasn't that any of the states were unhappy to host troops and pay taxes or that they weren't represented (as far as Parliament was concerned, states could ask Parliament to pass laws and acts just like any other constituents). The problem was a state would say "Lets do this tax" or "This is the best place to station troops" and some general or London would "We'll do this instead". Up until the final break a lot of people considered themselves British subjects and had no interests in breaking with 'home'. There is a lot of evidence lying around that if London had just said "Massachusetts (or whatever colony), you need to give us 1 million pounds. Raise it how ever you want" and negotiated like that then a lot of the problems and unrest would have been reduced.

Fun side note: This "mistake" was the basis of The English Civil War years before which is why a lot of left for America in the first place...

So now we see there is a place where the citizens have some complaints and suggestions but those in power appear to not listening or care about it. When the protests get bigger, instead of trying to find a solution and bring in those leaders to work out a solution, those in power bring in bigger troops. Yeah..its totally different.