Devil May Cry has aged horribly.

I've never been one to care much about a game's graphics. I didn't mind how Deus Ex, Metal Gear Solid or Half-Life looked when I played them for the first time rather recently and I currently play games on an SDTV, never having really experienced what it's like to play in HD. 
 
That said, playing Devil May Cry for the first time has made me realize that I've never experienced a game that I felt had truly aged badly. I've put 5 hours into the game—I'm at Mission 18—and I'm forcing myself to finish it. The controls are clunky as hell, mainly because of the camera that the player has absolutely no control over. This makes for frustrating platforming and combat (as it is difficult to perform a roll with Dante instead of jumping when you need to dodge quickly). Minor issues such as menu navigation and voice acting also make for an unpleasant ordeal, but the controls are really what make the game awful today.  
 
The game's also not easy, which kind of took me by surprise when I started playing.

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Posted by FluxWaveZ

I've never been one to care much about a game's graphics. I didn't mind how Deus Ex, Metal Gear Solid or Half-Life looked when I played them for the first time rather recently and I currently play games on an SDTV, never having really experienced what it's like to play in HD. 
 
That said, playing Devil May Cry for the first time has made me realize that I've never experienced a game that I felt had truly aged badly. I've put 5 hours into the game—I'm at Mission 18—and I'm forcing myself to finish it. The controls are clunky as hell, mainly because of the camera that the player has absolutely no control over. This makes for frustrating platforming and combat (as it is difficult to perform a roll with Dante instead of jumping when you need to dodge quickly). Minor issues such as menu navigation and voice acting also make for an unpleasant ordeal, but the controls are really what make the game awful today.  
 
The game's also not easy, which kind of took me by surprise when I started playing.

Posted by CaptainCody

HDTVs make games look worse.
Posted by I_smell

DMC 2 is better than the first one. There, I said it. It's in-between DMC 1 and 3 in terms of controls, animation and how the game works.

Posted by 02sfraser
@I_smell said:
" DMC 2 is better than the first one. There, I said it. It's in-between DMC 1 and 3 in terms of controls, animation and how the game works. "
Really? 1 looks just terrible these days but in terms of graphics and gameplay, 3 is the best SD has to offer.
Posted by Landon

DMC 3 is still awesome.

Posted by FluxWaveZ
@I_smell said:
" DMC 2 is better than the first one. "
I sure hope so, or else I'll just give up on playing DMC2–4. It'll be interesting seeing how the series has evolved if I finally go through all of them, though.
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If you ask me they get better as they go. Maybe 3 is better than 4, I dunno, but 1 isn't even worth playing. It's nothing LIKE what we know as Devil May Cry today. 

@02sfraser: Well yeah that's what I'm saying.

Posted by ArbitraryWater

I started with 3 and tried to go back to 1 (I know well enough that 2 is one of those games people pretend doesn't exist). Can't do it. Partially because of the camera, and partially because of the controls. Those Resident Evil roots are pretty blatant in the first game.

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Posted by wewantsthering
@CaptainCody said:
" HDTVs make games look worse. "
What it does is clear up the signal and display the image at a higher fidelity so that you notice all of the flaws with the original graphics. Old TVs were so fuzzy you couldn't tell. It's not that it makes it worse, it just makes you notice how crappy the graphics were back then. Haha.
Posted by defaulttag
@I_smell said:
" DMC 2 is better than the first one. There, I said it. It's in-between DMC 1 and 3 in terms of controls, animation and how the game works. "
@FluxWaveZ:  2 is the worst according to the opinions of most people. special edition of 3 is very good. 4 is okay. 1 was awesome for it's time (god of war copied some of dmc's design) and I'd say is still more fun than 4 or 2. 2 was very bad because it was by a different team. the level design was junk. and graphics are worse than the first. keep in mind dmc is what bayonetta evolved from. if you liked bayonetta, you'll be able to appreciate its roots.  I recommend: play 1, 3, and 4. in that order. If you do want to try 2, you'll most likely get bored quickly. 
Posted by ViciousReiven
@I_smell said:
" DMC 2 is better than the first one. There, I said it. It's in-between DMC 1 and 3 in terms of controls, animation and how the game works. "
No, no it isn't, it's a horrible piece of crap.
Posted by matrix_hiei

yeah, DMC hasn't aged well. the 3rd one is still great though.

Posted by FluxWaveZ
@defaulttag: I loved Bayonetta, but I heavily doubt that that should make me want to explore its roots like I guess I'm doing by playing (and hating) DMC1.
Posted by Lucifer

What are you saying? I played it for the first time less then a year ago and it was probably the most fun I had with a game the entire year. Of course I also happen to be totally gay for Devil may cry it being probably my 2nd favorite franshise ever.

Posted by xaLieNxGrEyx

DMC2 is one of the worst games ever made 
 
That said I hold dmc3 has one of the greatest action games of all time
Posted by LiquidPrince

DMC3 still looks pretty great.

Posted by Hailinel
@FluxWaveZ said:
"The game's also not easy, which kind of took me by surprise when I started playing. "
The DMC titles have never been known for a lenient difficulty.  Heck, the Normal difficulty in the original version of the North American DMC3 was the Japanese Hard mode.
 
Still, I get what you're saying.  Some games just aren't as easy to go back to as others.  Also, never, ever play Devil May Cry 2.  DMC may have aged poorly, but DMC2 has always been terrible.
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Posted by FluxWaveZ
@Lucifer: It's good that you could enjoy the game even now, but I find DMC1 absolutely grating because of the issues I stated. You can't possibly claim, for example, that the camera in the game was adequate. 
 
Everyone saying DMC2 was a horrible experience—perhaps even worst than DMC1—is bumming me out. I really don't want to skip DMC2 if I'm going to bother playing through DMC1 and playing DMC3...
Posted by craigbo180

You should of just played DMC 3 its the best one and chronologically the first in the series and then if you cared enough put up with the bad graphics and played the other ones, though DMC 2 is pretty bad. I had similar experience playing no more heroes for the first time, it had great style but just doesn't look or control great I hear the second is better though, also I have the European version so no blood. :(

Posted by I_smell

"It's level of design was junk" doesn't even mean anything. DMC 1 was slower than all the others, has less combos than all the others, the end turn into a weird shoot-em-up for some reason, and MOST IMPORTANTLY it took itself completely seriously.
 
DMC 3 and 4 said "check out all this devil shit isn't it ridiculous"
DMC 1 and 2 said "check out all this devil shit isn't it wicked cool?" which comes off as the lamest high-school angst boy thing to say in the world.
 
2 is a bit closer to the maniac nonsense that was 3, but the first one is just a regular 3D beat-em-up with a few more somersalts than usual.

Edited by CaptainTightPants

There really is no reason to play through all of them, Just play DMC3 because it is in my opinion the high point of the series. DMC 4 controls in the same way with the exception of some of Nero's special abilities and its good as well. 
As for the camera, DMC3&4 both have a lot of fixed camera angles but sometimes give you free control or the ability for slight adjustment so if you're not a fan of the camera you're going to have to put up with it.

Edited by mutha3
@FluxWaveZ: 
 
Get DMC3, the only excellent game in the franchise.
 
Stop playing DMC1, it kinda sucks by modern standards.
 
NEVER touch DMC2 with a ten-foot pole.
 
I guess if you like 3 enough and crave for more you can buy 4.
Posted by Aetheldod
@craigbo180: No blood !!!??? Then why bother to play No More Heroes ? I feel for you :'(
Posted by FluxWaveZ
@mutha3: I already have DMC1–3. The original intention was to rent 4 after I was done with the rest. 
 
@Resident4t said:
" There really is no reason to play through all of them "
Is the story really that insignificant? craigbo180 posted that it's the first in the series chronologically, but I actually wanted to follow Dante's story through the games. I guess I could just read everything on Wikipedia or something, if it comes down to that.
Posted by JackSukeru

I've played all the games and all of them around the time they came out save for the first one. Number 2 might have controlled better than 1 but everything else it did was just so boring. From stoic Dante and the combat, that lacked any sort of variety, to none of the bosses having any personality and the levels lacking any kind of interesting architecture. 
 
3 gave me everything I wanted. Bosses with personality, a bunch of different weapons to play around with, apt difficulty (alright it was a little too hard at first, but I perservered) cool ass cutscenes and a story that tied into the first one really nicely. That said I've only played through the entire game once. I did put it in a while ago to show it off to a friend and sort of got an urge to replay it, but it hasn't happened yet.
 
4 was good I guess, just not the leap forward 3 was. It was sorta like Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction in the regard that everything was prettier but otherwise, pretty much the same. I also wanted the story to tie into what I considered the main "arc" more, but that's just me. Altogether not a big fan of that one.

Posted by Hailinel
@FluxWaveZ said:
" @Lucifer: It's good that you could enjoy the game even now, but I find DMC1 absolutely grating because of the issues I stated. You can't possibly claim, for example, that the camera in the game was adequate. 
 
Everyone saying DMC2 was a horrible experience—perhaps even worst than DMC1—is bumming me out. I really don't want to skip DMC2 if I'm going to bother playing through DMC1 and playing DMC3... "
Devil May Cry 2 is so bad that even Capcom knows it.  3 and 4 are both chronologically before the events of 2, which is just sort of hanging there like a rotten fruit no one wants to touch.  You won't missing anything by ignoring it.
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Posted by CaptainTightPants
@FluxWaveZ:  I think the order is 3,1,4, 2 in Terms of the story, and its not that the story is insignificant it just isn't worth putting up with the game play of the first unless you really want to. 
Posted by mutha3
@FluxWaveZ said:

" @Is the story really that insignificant? craigbo180 posted that it's the first in the series chronologically, but I actually wanted to follow Dante's story through the games. I guess I could just read everything on Wikipedia or something, if it comes down to that. "

Its not insignificant, its just kind of.....bad.
 
Well, when they realized how stupid their story was it did kind of start getting insignificant DMC3 and 4 veer into self-parody terrotiry and that's why the cutscenes are almost watchable. DMC 1 and 2(especially 2) however  is a bunch of melodramatic nonsense with The Worst Dialogue.
 
Maybe you've heard of this scene before:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8qG4AlK1qk
Posted by FluxWaveZ
@mutha3 said:
" Maybe you've heard of this scene before:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8qG4AlK1qk "
Ah, indeed. 
 
Glad to know that DMC2 is chronologically the last in the series, or at least takes place after DMC3 and DMC4. I'll finish DMC1 as I'm already halfway through it, but I'll listen to the general consensus and skip DMC2 for now.
Posted by vinsanity09

DMC3 is the best of the series and it's not even close. if you play it the right way (trying to do combos with different devil arms, guns and styles and not just mashing buttons) you'll have a ton of fun. and the cutscenes are the best that I've seen in a video game so far (but I'm a DMC fanboy lol)

Posted by I_smell

I'd just like to point out that that scene happens in DMC 1, and you fight a building that turns into a face that shoots beams when it roars in DMC 2. 
 
You're all crazy.

Posted by SuperfluousMoniker

I think the problem with the fist DMC game is more with the camera angles than the controls themselves. But the end result is the same, i.e. it's kind of hard to control.

Posted by ESREVER

All this DMC talk is really making me wanna jump back into DMC3. I don't think my hand can take it though.

Edited by FluxWaveZ
@SuperfluousMoniker said:

" I think the problem with the fist DMC game is more with the camera angles than the controls themselves. But the end result is the same, i.e. it's kind of hard to control. "

I think it's a mixture of both. The jumping feels very weird and rolling could have been made easier to execute if it wasn't dependent on Dante's position, in relation to the controls. 
 
@I_smell: Oh, I didn't know that that scene happened in DMC1, though. But from what you've said, I'm not sure I'd dislike DMC2 as much as I dislike DMC1. Then again, all of this hate for the first game's sequel probably has some basis.    
Posted by agentboolen

Played DMC1 along time ago when it was new, I just couldn't get passed the 1st boss!!  Came 1 hit away from beating him once and died and gave up, I think i remember it being the lousy camera angle on that 1st boss.
Never Played DMC2, heard it was really bad
Played DMC3 but found it to be a huge pain in the ass and didn't bother
Played DMC4 and beat it (either I've gotten better or DMC4 is just easy as hell)
 
After playing through DMC4 I don't think I really need to go back to DMC, the series seems to be my least favorite Hack and Slash. 

Posted by IBurningStar

 I'm going to go ahead and spare you a lot of pain and heartache. I'll also save you some time while I'm at it.  
 
Don't bother finishing DMC1. Once you have heard the line about filling dark souls with light then you have seen all you need.
 
Skip DMC2. Why? Well, imagine DMC1 is a bad movie, but one that is so bad that you can laugh at and still enjoy it. DMC2 is the other kind of bad movie. The kind that is void of anything even remotely resembling entertainment and requires you to actively force yourself to finish it.  The combat isn't challenging in anyway, the environments are bland and uninspired, the storyline is pathetically weak, and Dante isn't even the same character. His transition is almost as jarring as the one seen in the Prince of Persia series when they went from The Sands of Time to Warrior Within. 
 
Play the fuck out of DMC3.  It is the best entry in the series and the only one I ever played through more than once. To me, DMC3 is what the series always should have been, because the game quickly wins you over with its fun and interesting combat system and Dante's all out, nonstop douchieness.  Unlike the second game, you can't just jump up in the air and shoot at things to win. You have to learn how to fight enemies and watch their attacks. It rewards good gameplay and punishes you for playing sloppy. It also helps that the game has an interesting setting and characters to go along with it. They aren't extremely complex or well defined, but they serve their purposes wonderfully and aren't particularly annoying in any way. Unless you count Dante being king asshat of the universe...
 
As for DMC4, that is totally your call. If you love DMC3 and want more, then here you go. It does have some really tedious sections and the game is infamous for how repetitive it is. I mean, you essentially play through the entire game twice on one play through. If you played Silent hill 4 then you will know exactly what I am talking about.  But if you can look past all that then you have a competently made action game that...wait, no. I change my mind. Fuck this game. The fucking board game shit near the end of the game is horrible in every way imaginable and the fact that it exists tells me that Capcom really just does not give a shit. The whole game can go fuck itself, because that part was so bad. Wait, did I say part? I mean parts. It happens more than once. Fuck it. Fuck all this. Just play the third game and wash your hands of it. I sure wish I did.

Posted by TheFreeMan

I played DMC3 first, then went back and tried DMC1 and found it borderline unplayable. Got past the Griffon boss before calling it quits. Just didn't see the point of playing the first when the third is better in every possible way. I played the first few levels of 2 before I couldn't stomach anymore of that. That being said, I actually really enjoyed 4 but apparently I'm the minority in that one. 
 
It's a bit depressing that DMC is one of my favourite series and I only like two of the games, but it speaks to DMC3's quality because that game is fucking good. Especially the special edition-it has many improvements over the original release.

Edited by GunnBjorn

I never liked the series, really. The difficulty level alone guaranteed a one-way ticket to Bedlam!    
Posted by FluxWaveZ
@IBurningStar: Thanks for the advice.  
 
It's disappointing that it seems that all of the games are not worth playing with the exception of DMC3 (and maybe 4). I'll finish DMC1 regardless, but I know I won't enjoy it for the most part.
Posted by RoyCampbell

I loved the eerie as shit soundtrack going on in the first Devil May Cry. A lot.
 
Here's one of my most favorite tracks ever: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3sKaBhA-50&feature=related 
 
Also, the mission start music is so sinister and scary but I love it: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5buuXF4YcMQ&feature=related 
 
I remember back in '02, sporadically switching between GTA 3 and Devil May Cry. They were so fun and engrossing, really. The idea of going back to Devil May Cry today, though? No thanks. I can watch a Let's Play of it and listen to its soundtrack, though! :)
   

Posted by JackSukeru
@IBurningStar: Oh crap, why'd you have to remind me of the board game parts? Oh and the Jungle level with the Zelda lost woods thing, and that one part after that with the disappearing platforms, damn. 
 
 
Ugh, I'll cheer myself up by thinking about my favorite part of DMC3; Dante catching Lady, falling off the tower, by the foot and exclaiming "This is my kinda rain!"  
-__-  Haaaaaa~ <3
Posted by Make_Me_Mad

I tried going back to to the first Devil May Cry after I'd played DMC3.  I made it a point to have friend remind me never to try it again.  Devil May Cry 2 is pretty skippable, I remember it as feeling not at all like a Devil May Cry game at the time I played through it.  3 is the absolute high point of the entire series, and is probably what most people are talking about when they say they like Devil May Cry.  4 is pretty good, way less challenging than 3, but personally I think Nero was a more likeable protagonist than Dante, and if they continue the series, I'd like it to focus on him.

Posted by craigbo180
@Aetheldod:  It kinda sucks, everyone just explodes in a puff of black smoke. VIDEO GAMES!
Edited by Seroth

The bad thing about going back to DMC 1 is Triangle is jump. What the hell. 
 
Other disappointments include having to go into the menu to change weapons. Blaaah.

Posted by Hailinel
@Seroth said:
" The bad thing about going back to DMC 1 is Triangle is jump. What the hell.  Other disappointments include having to go into the menu to change weapons. Blaaah. "
The funny thing about the use of Triangle to jump is that apparently, from what I understand, jump was mapped to X in the Japanese version.
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Posted by mutha3
@Hailinel said:
" @Seroth said:
" The bad thing about going back to DMC 1 is Triangle is jump. What the hell.  Other disappointments include having to go into the menu to change weapons. Blaaah. "
The funny thing about the use of Triangle to jump is that apparently, from what I understand, jump was mapped to X in the Japanese version. "
I guess the justification was that the "OK" button is mapped to X in the US version and us dumb Westerners wouldn't be able to comprehend a buttton with a  dual function?
 
Because, goddamn if that wasn't one the worst localization decisions I have ever seen.
Posted by Hailinel
@mutha3 said:
" @Hailinel said:
" @Seroth said:
" The bad thing about going back to DMC 1 is Triangle is jump. What the hell.  Other disappointments include having to go into the menu to change weapons. Blaaah. "
The funny thing about the use of Triangle to jump is that apparently, from what I understand, jump was mapped to X in the Japanese version. "
I guess the justification was that the "OK" button is mapped to X in the US version and us dumb Westerners wouldn't be able to comprehend a buttton with a  dual function?  Because, goddamn if that wasn't one the worst localization decisions I have ever seen. "
Really depends on whose idea it was.  Capcom USA or the Japanese offices.  Weird shit happens in localization all the time.
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Posted by mutha3
@Hailinel said:
" @mutha3 said:
" @Hailinel said:
" @Seroth said:
" The bad thing about going back to DMC 1 is Triangle is jump. What the hell.  Other disappointments include having to go into the menu to change weapons. Blaaah. "
The funny thing about the use of Triangle to jump is that apparently, from what I understand, jump was mapped to X in the Japanese version. "
I guess the justification was that the "OK" button is mapped to X in the US version and us dumb Westerners wouldn't be able to comprehend a buttton with a  dual function?  Because, goddamn if that wasn't one the worst localization decisions I have ever seen. "
Really depends on whose idea it was.  Capcom USA or the Japanese offices.  Weird shit happens in localization all the time. "
I was just joking, I'm pretty sure matters like that are entirely in Capcom USA's hands...
 
It was still an incredibly stupid decision!
Posted by Icemael

Devil May Cry is easily the best out of the first three. 3 is a pretty good game, but it looks uglier (the graphics are better on a technical level, but with few exceptions, the environment are nowhere near as beautiful as those in the first game), has worse music, worse cutscenes (Devil May Cry might not have a very good story, but it keeps its cutscenes short -- 3's embarrassing nonsense goes on forever), and more boring boss fights. 2 is just... ugh.

Posted by CaptainCody
@wewantsthering said:
" @CaptainCody said:
" HDTVs make games look worse. "
What it does is clear up the signal and display the image at a higher fidelity so that you notice all of the flaws with the original graphics. Old TVs were so fuzzy you couldn't tell. It's not that it makes it worse, it just makes you notice how crappy the graphics were back then. Haha. "

I'm not retarded, essentially what I was getting at, I'd rather think the graphics were amazing rather than shit like they always seem to be since SD.
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