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#1 Posted by golguin (3682 posts) -

@zevvion said:

@golguin: I know of the difference physically, but the souls says it is of a dragon. Which makes it all the more interesting.

It's a matter of knowing who wrote the description from a lore perspective. We know that certain items are straight up wrong because we know the lore from the first game. Havel's equipment and Elizabeth's Mushroom are two big ones.

The descriptions are written as if some historian is trying to piece together the information that's currently available.

#2 Edited by golguin (3682 posts) -

@theht said:

@golguin: Oh no, I get what you're saying. I'm not commenting on articles about the Cersei/Jaime scene or any of that stuff, only this particular part of your comment that I initially quoted:

"Game of Thrones isn't this world and yes, the victim would be glad that it's only rape in the Game of Thrones setting."

That's an absurdly optimistic and flippant perspective that isn't supported by the show as being the prevailing attitude towards rape in Game of Thrones.

Then your issue is that no character specifically says something along the lines of, "You got raped, but it could have been worse." As observers we can see what horrors that world has to offer and know that characters would prefer to not have their suffering/torture continue in other ways.

It's literally the idea of only having X happen to you as opposed to X+Y+Z+A+B+C. Any sentient being with an ounce of sanity would stop at X and not continue down the list.

I'm fairly certain that the prevalent attitude towards rape in the world of Game of Thrones is that it's bad. I don't think anyone would say otherwise.

#3 Posted by golguin (3682 posts) -

@theht said:

@golguin: Cersei explicitely says to Sansa that all of the women there would be in for a "raping" and likely to have bastards in their bellies by morning, implying that they wouldn't be cleaved in two like Elia, who it's absolutely worth pointing out was, along with her son, killed by the especially fucked up Gregor Clegane, The Mountain.

The idea that rape is looked upon so optimistically and flippantly in the Game of Thrones world is completely unfounded.

I don't believe anyone is making the claim that rape is something to look forward to. I am certainly not making that claim. What I am saying is that it can get a whole lot worse and we've seen worst on the show. That's the point. I will bring up Daenerys again. Much worse than what happened to Cersei, but articles didn't pop up about that.

#4 Posted by golguin (3682 posts) -

@sanj said:

@slashdance: I was under the impression that the main controversy wasn't that rape was shown on TV, but that Jaime is the one who did it. So seeing the aforementioned argument, it seems like people are trying to excuse him.

From reading articles about the scene it seems that the controversy was showing that a rape happened. The counter argument is the confusion at the outrage when we've had rape in the show before (Daenerys in season 1) and we've had an entire list of atrocities that range from killing lots of babies on screen, showing burned kid corpses, plenty of kid killings, stabbing pregnant women in the belly, general torture, forced penetration with a dangerous object until death, and so on.

It essentially boils down to, "Wait, you draw the line with the Cersei rape scene? Where have you been for the entire show? Everything else was fine?"

#5 Posted by golguin (3682 posts) -

@theht said:

@golguin said:

@sanj said:
@golguin said:

Rape is literally one of the nicer things that can happen to you in the world of Game of Thrones compared to how bad things could go for you. Think about that for a second and let it sink in. Would you prefer the Theon Greyjoy situation?

So what? If someone tries to rape in this world, should he tell his victim "well, it could be worse, I could be dismembering you with a rusty saw" to make his crime seem less awful? And the horrible things that can happen to you in GOT are not exclusive to that world. It may not be a dragon setting you on fire, but it can be a psychopath with a flame-thrower.

Game of Thrones isn't this world and yes, the victim would be glad that it's only rape in the Game of Thrones setting. Characters are constantly being threatened by situations worse than a clean death and then they are killed anyway.

Believe me when I tell you that I know that there are things much worse in our own world than George RR Martin can ever dream of unless he looks into the real brutality caused by drug cartels.

I'm not sure where your concern lies with what happened to Cersei. Jamie raped her. What are you looking for exactly?

I really didn't want to wade into this debate, but holy shit victims in Game of Thrones would not be "glad that it's only rape". Cercei was willing to have herself, and all the women in her company, killed to avoid that at Blackwater. Shae was also adament that anyone who tried to rape her would get sliced the fuck up. Jaime and Brienne discussing what Locke and his men would do to Brienne also puts down that ridiculous idea that people would be glad to only be raped. Jaime suggests Brienne let them do it and survive but admits were it him in her circumstances he'd fight to the death before that happened.

The situation in Blackwater was not going to be only rape. She knew what happened to the Targaryen's and their children once they lost. We've been told what happened to the Targaryen children thanks to Aemon and those atrocities caused Oberyn to swear revenge on the entire Lannister family.

When characters are tortured in Game of Thrones rape is only part of the torture. They have many tools at their disposal. I'm sure Theon would have preferred to die in the woods with the rapists instead of getting "saved" by Ramsay.

#6 Posted by golguin (3682 posts) -

@zevvion said:

@development said:

I just realized: the red Guardian Drake boss might be the only real drake, possibly enslaved/trained to stay put and guard while also serving as the template for all the clones you fight up top.

I say this because it's the only drake that gives you a soul, and even though there isn't a ceiling to that boss arena (lending to the idea that the drake wasn't an unwilling slave) it is still very bird-cage-like and obviously secluded, making me think this particular drake was special for one reason or another.

Also, my house was robbed and I have no way of playing this game anymore, so I won't be contributing much more, most likely. I'd write more about it, but this isn't the place.

edit: also again: I finally watched that lore video. Er, I mean I tried to watch it. I'm sorry, but I just can't stand that dude's voice. Physical pain ensues.

Interesting theory. The description of his soul is as follows:

Soul of a dragon that guards

the path to the shrine.

Do the dragons watch over the land

of their own will, or are they in the grip of

one of Aldia's spells?

Use the special soul of this dragon

to acquire numerous souls,

or to create something of greath worth.

Multiple ways to interpret this. He can either be a true dragon as you said and somehow controlled by Aldia, or he can be created by Aldia completely.

OR, he may be purposefully have helped Aldia to create more dragons? This is assuming if it is a true dragon.

Interesting.

It's not a true dragon. Dragons have 4 limbs, scales of immortality, and wings (Seath is a special case as he clearly has no scales of immortality or legs). A drake has two legs and their arms are fused with their wings.

#7 Posted by golguin (3682 posts) -

@sanj said:
@golguin said:

Rape is literally one of the nicer things that can happen to you in the world of Game of Thrones compared to how bad things could go for you. Think about that for a second and let it sink in. Would you prefer the Theon Greyjoy situation?

So what? If someone tries to rape in this world, should he tell his victim "well, it could be worse, I could be dismembering you with a rusty saw" to make his crime seem less awful? And the horrible things that can happen to you in GOT are not exclusive to that world. It may not be a dragon setting you on fire, but it can be a psychopath with a flame-thrower.

Game of Thrones isn't this world and yes, the victim would be glad that it's only rape in the Game of Thrones setting. Characters are constantly being threatened by situations worse than a clean death and then they are killed anyway.

Believe me when I tell you that I know that there are things much worse in our own world than George RR Martin can ever dream of unless he looks into the real brutality caused by drug cartels.

I'm not sure where your concern lies with what happened to Cersei. Jamie raped her. What are you looking for exactly?

#8 Posted by golguin (3682 posts) -

@sanj said:

Putting that Jaime scene aside for a moment (since it's still point of contention), the argument that “it’s a really fucked up fictional world, no need to apply real world logic, it's not a big deal if a character rapes someone” is a load of horseshit. Despite it being a fucked up world, rape is still a crime in civilized areas of that world. People are sent to “The Wall” for raping or executed. You don’t see Jon Snow, Eddard Stark, Tyrion Lannister or Rob Stark attempting to rape people, because they're decent people. Obviously no one is squeaky clean in GOT, not even the "good" ones, but that's also the case in real life. There's a lot of killing in GOT, but the stakes are different and there's no real way of getting around it. However, the same cannot be said for the penises of that world.

Rape is literally one of the nicer things that can happen to you in the world of Game of Thrones compared to how bad things could go for you. Think about that for a second and let it sink in. Would you prefer the Theon Greyjoy situation?

#9 Edited by golguin (3682 posts) -

@spoonman671 said:

@golguin said:

@humanity said:

@sanj: I saw it, and as terrible as it may be in light of normal society, in Game of Thrones world it honestly felt par for the course. I just want to make clear that I don't advocate that act in any normal setting, but in this fictional TV show about terrible people - Cersei seriously deserved something horrible to happen to her.

You know what? It's a fictional show and Cersei deserves worst. Period. I'm not going to try to make some kind of real world vs fiction comparison because the world in a Game of Thrones is a fucked up place. Considering all the terrible things that have happened to various character over the course of the show it's a bit laughable to see stories pop up about the scene.

Where the hell was all the outrage over what happened to Daenerys in season 1? That scene was so much worst because she was a young girl that was sold off to a barbarian by her own brother. He knew Daenerys was going to get raped and he didn't give a fuck. What was the reaction? You had book people telling new viewers, "Don't worry. Daenerys is actually a very strong female character so just wait and see."

Comments in those stories have rightly called them out as being click bait. What about Theon Greyjoy?

Where were the articles written about that scene? The internet cheered when he was brutally tortured and eventually raped to prepare his penis for the chopping block.

I think it's simply that this incident is much more similar to the most common form rape takes today, which is date-rape. Two people in an established relationship, the woman says "no" and the man goes for it anyway. Ignoring the fact that Cersei is participating in this act, by modern, real-world standards this is sexual assault--and a kind that makes people uncomfortable due to its familiarity. I certainly don't think there's anything to be upset about, and frankly, I think it's questionable whether this is actually an instance of rape.

I don't believe it has anything to due with date rape or any other form of rape. It is click bait through and through. I've been reading the comments for various stories and there is an overwhelming consensus on the hypocrisy of making this scene an article in the face of every other terrible thing that has happened. These are comments coming from both men and women that are clearly fans of the show.

They were hoping for another "Girls" controversy where a character willingly went along with a sexual encounter that she didn't really want, but instead they got a slap in the face from Game of Thrones fans who could smell the BS.

EDIT: The comments in these articles have been very civil and they make their point very clear. I really liked this comment.

http://time.com/70829/game-of-thrones-rape/


JeanetteBarrett

To Eliana Dockterman: Rape is a very serious crime and not one to be made light of. And I believe that at whatever point a woman says no is the point at which the man should desist. Having said that, this was no rape. These are two actors portraying a scene that is, I would imagine, disturbing to many people, on many different levels. And while I agree that the popularity of the show had garnered a large audience, in which there undoubtedly are many younger viewers, the rape scene was no more disturbing, I dare say, than Catelyn Stark's throat being sliced to the bone, or Ned Stark's beheading, or the very idea that these two "lovers" are brother and sister. Further, I would add, that any children in the audience should absolutely be supervised by their parents in the watching of this TV series, since it contains much violence and adult content.

And for that reason, I think your article was superfluous. I can't imagine there were many of us sitting around after the show discussing whether Cersei was actually raped or not. It didn't matter, since it was fictional. We do not condone the beheading of people in our society just as we don't condone the rape of individuals. It goes without saying that we, in our ordinary lives, do not encounter such encounters and if they were that disturbing on our television sets, we could always just turn the channel. And block the channel from our children if we felt strongly enough about this series and its depictions of sex, violence and darkness.

#10 Edited by golguin (3682 posts) -

@humanity said:

@sanj: I saw it, and as terrible as it may be in light of normal society, in Game of Thrones world it honestly felt par for the course. I just want to make clear that I don't advocate that act in any normal setting, but in this fictional TV show about terrible people - Cersei seriously deserved something horrible to happen to her.

You know what? It's a fictional show and Cersei deserves worst. Period. I'm not going to try to make some kind of real world vs fiction comparison because the world in a Game of Thrones is a fucked up place. Considering all the terrible things that have happened to various character over the course of the show it's a bit laughable to see stories pop up about the scene.

Where the hell was all the outrage over what happened to Daenerys in season 1? That scene was so much worst because she was a young girl that was sold off to a barbarian by her own brother. He knew Daenerys was going to get raped and he didn't give a fuck. What was the reaction? You had book people telling new viewers, "Don't worry. Daenerys is actually a very strong female character so just wait and see."

Comments in those stories have rightly called them out as being click bait. What about Theon Greyjoy? Where were the articles written about that scene? The internet cheered when he was brutally tortured and eventually raped to prepare his penis for the chopping block.