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A Message That Commander Shepard Will Not Approve.

So I haven't played Mass Effect, nor have I played Mass Effect 2.  Part of that is because I have neither an Xbox 360 nor a PC capable of running the games.  But even with the release of Mass Effect 2 on the PS3, I have no interest.  Not in the universe, and certainly not in Bioware's method of RPG design that involves stripping most all of the elements of RPG design out and glorifying a third-person shooter as a new genre standard.  Nope, screw that.
 
That in mind, there's something I really don't like.  Something that I feel that I can say unequivocally despite not having played the games and not sound like an ignorant asshat.  And that something is that Commander Shepard's design sucks balls.  I speak specifically about the default male Shepard.  The guy plastered all over the box art.  Now, I know that GeneriShepard's design was scanned in using a live model:


 Generic Guy, and the guy that portrays him.
 Generic Guy, and the guy that portrays him.

I want to say that by no means am I criticizing the model's looks.  He's a very handsome man and a good pick for the lead role in a video game.  And if this were most any other game, I'd have little qualm with the choice.  But here's the problem.
 
Commander Shepard is a customizable character.  He (or she) can literally be anyone that the player desires, within the bounds of the character creation system.  So why, then, does the game glorify a bland, handsome guy as the cover boy protagonist?  He's a few centimeters of hair away from Bald Space Marine territory.  You could slap Sam Worthington in there with his trademark Sam Worthington Haircut, and you'd essentially have the same guy.  The character creator could be used to create all sorts of Shepards, and yet the customization system is represented with, from a character creation standpoint, the most bland, milquetoast Shepard design that one could possibly imagine.  Not only in the character creator itself, but in all media related to the game, from press screen shots to the cover art.  And yet, there are people like Jeff that feel this Shepard is the One True Shepard.  A character with literally no creativity in his design, but built upon the scans of a human being.  What kind of message is that send in a game with an extensive character creation system?  "Here, you can make your own character, or you can use our handsome cover star that took zero creative energy to design?"
 
That's just disappointing, Bioware.  Not as disappointing as stripping Dragon Age's rather awesome character creation choices down to Mass Effect's level, but disappointing all the same.
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@Baillie said:
" @Hailinel said:
" @natetodamax said:
" You're not interested in the game because of what's on the cover? "
No.  I find what's on the cover bland and misrepresentative. "
Why did you post this topic? Was it to get your name recognised or something? 'The dude that is shitting on Mass Effect due to the generic looking character'. Classy.  I haven't played Mass Effect further than the first start of the first - so, I'm not here just to blindly defend my favourite game. I think you need to look at lots of other games and realise he isn't as generic as you might think. "

It's what I felt like writing about.  Is that a problem?
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@Hailinel said:
" @Baillie said:
" @Hailinel said:
" @natetodamax said:
" You're not interested in the game because of what's on the cover? "
No.  I find what's on the cover bland and misrepresentative. "
Why did you post this topic? Was it to get your name recognised or something? 'The dude that is shitting on Mass Effect due to the generic looking character'. Classy.  I haven't played Mass Effect further than the first start of the first - so, I'm not here just to blindly defend my favourite game. I think you need to look at lots of other games and realise he isn't as generic as you might think. "
It's what I felt like writing about.  Is that a problem? "
Blog it.
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@Baillie:  This is a blog post you responded to.
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@Hailinel said:

" @JJWeatherman said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @KingWilly:  That default model, which has become the face of the series even though there is a character customization system behind it.  That's my point.  Making the generic default the face rather than doing anything to promote individual creativity.  You never see Bioware releasing screens of more creatively designed Shepards.  It's always Commander Bland.  If they have any sort of pride in their character creator, why not use it instead of going to the effort of scanning in the looks of a live model? "
It's all done for effective marketing. If nobody is able to recognize Shepard from one released screenshot to the next, then how are they supposed to be able to comprehend what's going on? They'd think "Oh, who's this guy? Oh, that's Shepard?". The next day, "Wait, who's this? Oh, that's Shepard too?". Does that not make perfect sense to have some carryover while they're marketing a game? Do you have an alternative to this marketing strategy that wouldn't confuse people?  Almost everything you've argued in this thread comes off as ignorant. If you were to play the game and at least learn the ins and outs of the customization system, then I'd be more willing to take your points seriously. "
I'm not saying that there can't be a couldn't be a consistent Shepard for the marketing,  "  
Is this whole thread not based on your opinion that there should in fact be multiple versions of Shepard used in marketing campaigns? 
 

 but to have only one (or two, in the relatively rare instances that FemShep is used) Shepard in all of the marketing over an array of possibilities is limiting.

OK, so you do want multiple Shepards. You're sending me mixed signals here.
  

But did Shepard himself need to be on any covers?  Why just do as Dragon Age has done and go for a an art design that doesn't require the main character front and center on the box art?    

This is a better question. I would have had no problem with this route, but they would have still needed to release screenshots, in which case they should still use default Shepard imo. 
 
BTW, I'm not arguing this to try and defend the game or some crap. I just don't understand your point of view on this at all. I suppose it's not even worth debating though since it comes down to the opinion that a man looks bland. Every human is a snowflake! Embrace the subtle variety that lies in DNA!
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@Hailinel: Don't link it to the forums? I don't think you're quite understanding what I mean. Your post is clearly going to stir up arguments, mainly against you. You knew this and yet still did it.  
I DO NOT APPROVE ! 
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@Hailinel: If you were Bioware, how would you have marketed it? A silhouette with a question mark in it instead of a dude's face? Shepard as Shepard is intrinsic to the storyline, but you wouldn't know that not having played the game. 
It's not like he is some silent, mystery guy who happens to find himself in the middle of an adventure like in every other RPG with a character creation system.  You play the game as Shepard, not as 'a guy'.
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@Baillie said:
" @Hailinel: Don't link it to the forums? I don't think you're quite understanding what I mean. Your post is clearly going to stir up arguments, mainly against you. You knew this and yet still did it.  I DO NOT APPROVE !  "
Yeah, but that's because most of the people in this thread are gigantic manchildren.
 
Its good for a laugh, I guess, to see so many people worked up over such a trivial thing...
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@Baillie said:
" @Hailinel: Don't link it to the forums? I don't think you're quite understanding what I mean. Your post is clearly going to stir up arguments, mainly against you. You knew this and yet still did it.  I DO NOT APPROVE !  "
THESE ARE THE RISKS I TAKE!
 
@JJWeatherman: What I'm saying is, you can have both a consistent Marketing Shepard for screen shots, as well as a collection of screen shots that feature alternate Shepard designs.  This does not mean, however, that Marketing Shepard needs to be on the front of the box, or be deemed the cover boy.  My point of view is more or less this:  Why go to the effort of marketing the default male Shepard to such an extent when the game allows for not just male or female Shepard, but multiple variations of each?  Mass Effect is about choice, is it not?  Then why portray a single instance of Shepard as though he's the guy?
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 I actually like the default Shepard, his appearance is very neutral. When I played through the original Mass Effect I customized the appearance of Shepard, then after about 3 hours I realized he looked exactly like Spock. It was really distracting during cut-scenes.

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@Hailinel said:
" @Baillie said:
" @Hailinel: Don't link it to the forums? I don't think you're quite understanding what I mean. Your post is clearly going to stir up arguments, mainly against you. You knew this and yet still did it.  I DO NOT APPROVE !  "
THESE ARE THE RISKS I TAKE!
 
@JJWeatherman: What I'm saying is, you can have both a consistent Marketing Shepard for screen shots, as well as a collection of screen shots that feature alternate Shepard designs.  This does not mean, however, that Marketing Shepard needs to be on the front of the box, or be deemed the cover boy.  My point of view is more or less this:  Why go to the effort of marketing the default male Shepard to such an extent when the game allows for not just male or female Shepard, but multiple variations of each?  Mass Effect is about choice, is it not?  Then why portray a single instance of Shepard as though he's the guy? "
First off, I really, honestly think that if you played the game, then it'd be easier for you to understand why this isn't a big deal. I'll try to explain though. 
 
Yes, Mass Effect is about choices. It's about who's lives you save, and whos you don't. It's about which planets you visit, and who you decide to help. These things ultimately have the potential to alter the way the game plays out drastically. I think we can agree that modifying your character is not a choice of the same magnitude. Think of it this way, GTA IV is a story about Nico Bellic and the choices that he makes. No matter how you dress Nico, he's still Nico. The same goes for Shepard. No matter how he looks, he still is defined by the choices he makes, not the scars on his face or how big his nose is. I think the modification of Shepard is much smaller of an aspect than you realize.
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@Hailinel said:
" @KingWilly:  That default model, which has become the face of the series even though there is a character customization system behind it.  That's my point.  Making the generic default the face rather than doing anything to promote individual creativity.  You never see Bioware releasing screens of more creatively designed Shepards.  It's always Commander Bland.  If they have any sort of pride in their character creator, why not use it instead of going to the effort of scanning in the looks of a live model? "
   So you want them to create a bunch of different Shepards to use in their trailers instead of a face that everyone can already recognize?  Sounds like shitty and confusing advertisement to me.
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Mark Vanderloo for life.

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It's just marketing. I really don't care what a marketing team decides to portray as the default model for the main character in any game where you can fully customize your characters looks like Oblivion, Fallout 3, Saints Row 2... I don't see why I should.

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Would you rather he looked like Steve Buscemi? *shudders*

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Hailinel:
 
 I could try to defend my favorite series ad infinitum , but we know that it would be pointless. But in reality I too dont like much the extensive use of Vanderloo Shep in ME ad campaigns , actually a lot of fanatics complaint about it , even more so the lack of use of the better fem Shep voice and the fact they didnt gave femshep a "face" like they did to Male Shep , but they didnt listen to us :( 
 
 The one thing tho Mass Effect IT IS a RPG  >:3 albeit  it is not heavy on the loot side or endless lists of useless items / equipment and is more of a hybrid , I would sujest you to download the demo at least , you may like it and you dont loose anyhting  for trying it out , also you will get a glimpse of the character customization

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Hallinel, you won't play the game so why do you care?  You don't care.  You, do, however, care that you can take a swipe at a product which is quickly eclipsing your favourite RPG in terms of Western Audience Exposure.  Your argument is contradictory and flawed at almost every turn, as has been pointed out many times.  You say you find Vanderloo's presence bland and yet he's meant to be an everyman, bland is just a function of that process.  I don't agree that he's bland, but if we're to concede that he is then as an everyman it makes sense.  Then there's character customisation aspect which discounts his value or real impact on the game as a whole.  
 
You say you're OK with him being in the ads but not on the box cover, which is ludicrous.  How are people who don't know about the game at any intrinsic level beyond the marketing (say, seeing one ad on TV etc) meant to connect the dots?  They can't be relied on to always remember the name of the product, so the marketing using Vanderloo as Shep on the cover gives them more than just one point of interest to remind themselves that *this* was the game they saw in some ad and it sparked their interest.  It's basic Marketing 101.  It's also why the Special Edition of ME2 had a different, non Vanderloo cover - just the N7 logo from the starting suit; Interested Fans would know this and think it's super cool.
 
But hey, all you're doing is taking a really poorly aimed potshot at some product you quite clearly have some vested interest in taking down a peg or two.  Clearly.  Otherwise your argument would make more (any?) sense and you would've played the game to criticise it in the first place.
 
Even the GB crew are quite clear on this point, they have said on multiple occasions that you can't talk shit about something you've never played, which is exactly what you're doing.
 
Yes I like the game.  Yes I've played it.  No I'm not a huge fan of it.  No this is not a defensive post.  It's a critical analysis of your post.

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@FancySoapsMan said:
" Shepard sucks. Then again, so does most of the ME cast. "
Either lazy trolling or I pity your opinion.
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@SeriouslyNow:  You're being incredibly defensive for criticism aimed at the default character design.  I don't know where all of this madness erupted from.  You're sure to love the blog post I just wrote, though.  And by love, I mean you're going to find another reason (or several) to get up in arms with me once again.  Should be fun. :D
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@EveretteScott said:
" @FancySoapsMan said:
" Shepard sucks. Then again, so does most of the ME cast. "
Either lazy trolling or I pity your opinion. "
Ok.
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@Hailinel:  Believe whatever makes you happy.  I made myself quite clear.
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@FancySoapsMan said:
" @EveretteScott said:
" @FancySoapsMan said:
" Shepard sucks. Then again, so does most of the ME cast. "
Either lazy trolling or I pity your opinion. "
Ok. "
While I wouldn't go as far as to use the term "suck" I kinda agree with you.
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Unfortunately, Biowares foray into other media which expands the Mass Effect universe, like comic's, pretty much demands default shepard marketing. For such an expansive universe as Mass Effect, it just wouldn't be conceivable any other way I imagine. As much as I dislike the design of shepard, you need a 'face' to represent such a story driven game like Mass Effect. Although, if I can play devil's advocate for a moment, it is interesting that there's no default options for creating your shepard's military profile/history too.

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If that model ever plays Mass Effect he just saved himself a hell of a lot of time.

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@FancySoapsMan said:
" Shepard sucks. Then again, so does most of the ME cast. "
i cannot disagree with you more
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@Lemoncookie01 said:
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How can you not love this face?
How can you not love this face?
"
Deadly Premonition...that guy is in this tooo, eh? 
 
Must be looking at a cranberry, turkey, and cornflake sandwich. Or Miranda's butt.
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In a sense, making Shepard as bland and unimaginative as they have encourages people to create their own like this hottie I found on the MassEffect2Faces.com site. 

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Everything about his looks, design, and voice is meant to give a foundation which one can build from. I usually make my own male shepard anyway, femshep didn't click for me, but my sheps are all custom. Sounds like you just got your panties bunched up is all. Most players pick a male soldier to play as, and a lot use the default Shepard. Would you have preffered him to look like Tom Cruise or something? Perhaps that would have done it for you...
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@TheSeductiveMoose:
Holy freaking crap that's awesome. I'm speechless.
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I don't mind them using a guy for the default Shepard, presenting him as the "real" Shepard. 
 
Then again I like the way default M Shepard looks (he's purty), I like the design of Cole Mcgrath and I think Roxas/Ventus and older Riku look pretty badass too.

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You've played too many JRPGs methinks. 

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@BerserkingGuts said:
" Unfortunately, Biowares foray into other media which expands the Mass Effect universe, like comic's, pretty much demands default shepard marketing. For such an expansive universe as Mass Effect, it just wouldn't be conceivable any other way I imagine. As much as I dislike the design of shepard, you need a 'face' to represent such a story driven game like Mass Effect. Although, if I can play devil's advocate for a moment, it is interesting that there's no default options for creating your shepard's military profile/history too. "
This is an interesting point and a good counterargument, really.  In that sense, it is reasonable for there to be a default Marketing Shepard.  If only he wasn't such a dull-looking dude.
 
@Mikemcn said:
" You've played too many JRPGs methinks.  "

That really has nothing to do with it.  A guy can look more interesting without resembling a Cloud Strife clone.