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#1 Posted by Icemael (6339 posts) -

Well, this one time I found a used copy of Project Zero III: The Tormented -- which I'd been looking for for months -- in practically perfect condition. That was pretty nice.

#2 Posted by Icemael (6339 posts) -
@arab_prince said:
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" @Zithe: I think I can make you understand with this: if I didn't need to sleep, I wouldn't. Why? Because I'd much rather do things I enjoy than "skip time".

It's the same with death, only death is eternal, and therefore infinitely more repulsive than sleep. "
I actually agree with everything you just said, but it's gonna happen. That's the part you still need to accept, apparently. Being immortal would be pretty damn cool (Well, not truly immortal. That would just become a curse at some point), but you're not and you need to face it. "
It's gonna happen, but as long as I enjoy living, I'd like to keep on doing it for as long as possible -- that is to say, I would like to avoid death for as long as possible (the key is that I know that it's going to happen, but not when) -- that is to say, I fear death. Just like I fear certain insects, even though I know I'm probably going to run into them at many points in the future. "
But is it "death" that you fear? Or is it aspects of death that you fear. Is it the lack of achieving life ambitions, or the pile of regrets, or all the money you didn't make, that you fear. Because personally, I get excited at times for death. I want to experience it. I probably won't experience shit since I will cease to exist, but still. It is something I don't know or ever will know so it is kind of exciting. "
The aspects of death are death. Like I said, if you ignore that you end up with stuff like: "I'm not afraid of being shot, I'm just afraid of the pain of being shot".

The aspect I fear the most though, is everything I love coming to an end.
#3 Edited by Icemael (6339 posts) -
@Zithe said:

" @Icemael said:

" @Zithe: I think I can make you understand with this: if I didn't need to sleep, I wouldn't. Why? Because I'd much rather do things I enjoy than "skip time".

It's the same with death, only death is eternal, and therefore infinitely more repulsive than sleep. "
I actually agree with everything you just said, but it's gonna happen. That's the part you still need to accept, apparently. Being immortal would be pretty damn cool (Well, not truly immortal. That would just become a curse at some point), but you're not and you need to face it. "
It's gonna happen, but as long as I enjoy living, I'd like to keep on doing it for as long as possible -- that is to say, I would like to avoid death for as long as possible (the key is that I know that it's going to happen, but not when) -- that is to say, I fear death. Just like I fear certain insects, even though I know I'm probably going to run into them at many points in the future.
#4 Posted by Icemael (6339 posts) -
@Zithe: I think I can make you understand with this: if I didn't need to sleep, I wouldn't. Why? Because I'd much rather do things I enjoy than "skip time".

It's the same with death, only death is eternal, and therefore infinitely more repulsive than sleep.
#5 Posted by Icemael (6339 posts) -
@Zithe said:
" @Icemael: As an atheist, I completely agree with you on your definition of death. I also see absolutely no reason to fear those things. "
If you enjoy living, you should see every reason to fear those things.
#6 Edited by Icemael (6339 posts) -
@Fenrisulfr said:

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@Fenrisulfr said:

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" lol at the people who said no. I wonder if their answer would be the same if their lives were threatened. Like, if they were being chased by psycho murderers.*RING* "Hi.""Hi. Whatcha doin'?""Well, I'm being chased by these psycho murderers.""Holy shit man. Want me to call the cops?""Nah bro, I'm cool. I don't fear death. See ya later."*click* "
This is about the fear of dying, not completely lacking a sense of self-preservation. "
Fear is a self-preservation mechanism. Without it, you'd be dead. "
Wrong.  Self preservation can be as natural as breathing.  I quick movement, a sudden stop, a quick reaction.  No thought, no feeling to it.  It just happens. "
I said fear is a self-preservation mechanism, not the only self-preservation mechanism.
 

@Zithe

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" If you are correct and I really am afraid of death, I do not begin to know what I would fear about it. I would still like to hear your answer to that question. "

I'm fairly certain death is the end of consciousness rather than a transfer of consciousness (to Hell, or Heaven, or Purgatory, or whatever), and the end of consciousness is the end of everything. That means no more pleasure; no more enjoyment; no more happiness -- in summary, no more of anything I desire
 
@LibraryDues said:
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" @Zithe said:

" It's already been pointed out here, but apparently you overlooked it or still don't understand the difference between fear of death and desire to stay alive. "
There is no difference. Fear of death is simply a strong desire to avoid it, i.e. to stay alive. 
Fear is more than just a desire to avoid something.  I would have a strong desire to avoid a large hole in the ground, but I don't think I would call this reaction "fear." "
It is fear. If you did not fear falling into it, you would have no desire to avoid it. 
 
@LibraryDues said:
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 From this it follows that someone who doesn't fear death is someone with a weak desire to live -- someone who barely even cares about his life.

Are there people like that? Sure. But I strongly doubt there is even one such person amongst the ~60% who answered no. "    

You are applying reason to an emotion that is irrational.  You cannot derive a conclusion about ones desires from their fears.  I am far, far more terrified of spiders than I am of guns, despite the fact that the chances of me dying from an encounter with a spider are dwarfed by my chances of being shot to death.    "
Of course I can. If you're really more terrified of spiders than of being shot to death, your desire to avoid spiders is stronger than your desire to avoid being shot to death. In other words, you'd rather die than face spiders.
#7 Posted by Icemael (6339 posts) -
@Zithe said:
" @Icemael said:
" @Zithe said:
" It's already been pointed out here, but apparently you overlooked it or still don't understand the difference between fear of death and desire to stay alive. "
There is no difference. Fear of death is simply a strong desire to avoid it, i.e. to stay alive. From this it follows that someone who doesn't fear death is someone with a weak desire to live -- someone who barely even cares about his life.

Are there people like that? Sure. But I strongly doubt there is even one such person amongst the ~60% who answered no. "
Think of it this way. I don't want to die. I also don't want to eat pizza with anchovies on it. Would you define that as fear of eating pizza with anchovies? Am I afraid of anchovies? No. I prefer to eat pizza without them and I prefer living to death. "
If pizza topping matters a great deal to you -- as much as life and death -- then yes, you are afraid of anchovies.

But I'm betting it doesn't, which makes it irrelevant. Fear is strong unwillingness, unlike your unwillingness to eat pizza with anchovies, which (I'm betting) is weak.
#8 Posted by Icemael (6339 posts) -
@Zithe said:
" It's already been pointed out here, but apparently you overlooked it or still don't understand the difference between fear of death and desire to stay alive. "
There is no difference. Fear of death is simply a strong desire to avoid it, i.e. to stay alive. From this it follows that someone who doesn't fear death is someone with a weak desire to live -- someone who barely even cares about his life.

Are there people like that? Sure. But I strongly doubt there is even one such person amongst the ~60% who answered no.
#9 Posted by Icemael (6339 posts) -

You are The Hermit

Prudence, Caution, Deliberation.

The Hermit points to all things hidden, such as knowledge and inspiration,hidden enemies. The illumination is from within, and retirement from participation in current events.

The Hermit is a card of introspection, analysis and, well, virginity. You do not desire to socialize; the card indicates, instead, a desire for peace and solitude. You prefer to take the time to think, organize, ruminate, take stock. There may be feelings of frustration and discontent but these feelings eventually lead to enlightenment, illumination, clarity.

The Hermit represents a wise, inspirational person, friend, teacher, therapist. This a person who can shine a light on things that were previously mysterious and confusing.

What Tarot Card are You?
Take the Test to Find Out.

#10 Edited by Icemael (6339 posts) -
@ShadowKing7 said:

" It's an inevitability, so why fret a lot about it?  Death will come for every living thing on this planet in some way, whether it be dying in your sleep or a car wreck or whatever.  It'll happen at some point, so even as a paranoid motherfucker I don't see the need for fearing it. "

See, this is the misconception: when I say most people fear death, I'm not saying they go around obsessing about it all the time.

Consider this: I'm fucking terrified of certain insects. Does that mean I go around worrying about these insects 24/7? No! Does the fact that I don't mean I'm not afraid of these insects? No! It simply means that most of the time, I have no reason to believe I'm close enough to them that I need to worry. And similarly, most of the time, I have no reason to believe I'm close enough to dying that I have to worry about it -- when I do, however (like, say, if I'm being chased by a psycho murderer), I'm fucking afraid. And so are all (or at least most) you people who answer "no". 
 
@InfamousBIG said:
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" @CL60: so if you are hit by a bus tomorrow you wont have any problems? no regrets okay with everything you have accomplished? "
It seems to me that would be fear of not having lived your life suitably, rather than the actual death. "
Which means that as long as you feel you haven't lived your life to the fullest yet, you're afraid of death. Claiming otherwise is like saying "I'm not afraid of being shot -- I'm just afraid of the pain of being shot". The two go hand in hand.