Gran Turismo vs. Forza ......and also MGS

So tonight I was thinking about severa things.

First up:  Gran Turismo 5

my friend bought the '20 dollar demo' as I called it and we were playing it tonight.  It in no way rivals Forza 2 for realism.  I CANNOT BELIEVE how many people have jumped down my throat calling me an idiot for liking Forza and saying that it was just a game and GT was a 'true racing sim'.  CARS DO NOT BOUNCE STRAIGHT BACK ONTO THE TRACK AND KEEP MOVING WHEN THEY HIT THE WALL.

Let me pause for you to absorb that last statement.

Moving on.  Aside from that, there is no vehicle damage at all.  If Forza can convince manufacturers to let them put rollover in thier upcoming game, I think GT can convince them to let them show vehicle damage.  They're just being lazy.  They took the whole driving line straight from Forza complete with the markers for braking.  Sideswiping vehicles never seems to make your car fishtail no matter where the car to car contact takes place.  This means your best strategy is to just not give a crap about hitting the walls and go full speed since the walls don't seem to slow you down at all unless you hit them head on.

I'm not just some microsoft fanboy.  I gave Gran Turismo a legitimate chance.

It's fun.  It's less realistic than Forza 2.  I also think Forza 2 is more fun. 

This lets me realistically infer:
Forza 3 will blow GT out of the water and into space.

 

Second on the list:  My friend is a crazy Kojima fanboy.  I'll admit.  The man knows how to tell a crazy-ass fun story with lots of cinematic moments.  His direction is good and his games are scored well.

This makes me think he would make a pretty adequate film director if he wanted to.

Here's the thing....
I think the ludicrous fan following, fanboys similtaneously orgasming whenever a new game is announced, talk about being the greatest games ever made....

Completely unwarranted.

 

Sure they're decent, even good games and all.  But think back to the first Metal Gear.  The first gun was in the back of a damn truck, hidden behind some crates.  How on earth would you know to climb into that truck and go around behind the crates?  Maybe it was mentioned by the Colonel in a cutscene or something, I don't remember.  The gameplay is all top down making it really inconvenient to see your surroundings.  It's a decent game and all but...

Then my friend was talking like 'oh, but metal gear solid 4 was like the best game ever you can't argue with that'.  But I mean, that gameplay in MGS4 has been around since freaking Splinter Cell albeit less combat heavy.  MGS4 has badass cutscenes, boss fights, shootouts, and stealth portions.  But, I don't see how any of that makes it the best game ever.  I'm on my way playing through Mass Effect currently and even though they're two different genres, ME seems to be more fun from what I've played and seen of both.  Also the stealth in all the Sam Fisher games seems way more believeable and well done.  Metal Gear breaks the fourth wall A LOT which is fine and all but if you're going for a hard-hitting realistic story....  I feel like the Splinter Cell games are far more immersive.  Sure MGS has weapon customization.  So does Army of Two.  Sure MGS has boss fights.  So does Gears of War.  Sure MGS has stealth kills.  So does Splinter Cell.  Sure MGS has good music.  So does Crimson Skies.  Sure MGS has first person shooting.  So does COD4.  So it takes a lot of things from different games and blends them together.

MGS4 is a GOOD GAME.  I'm not knocking it.  I just don't see what makes so many people be like "OMG YOU MUST PLAY THIS BEST GAME EVER GAAARGGGHHH!"

 

Side note, I beat an endurance race in Forza 2 tonight.  The car I was driving skipped straight from level 3 to 5.  I got like 160000 CR.  30 laps.

 

I wouldn't reccomend it.  I'll take my 6-8 lap races over that any day.  Listened to a giantbomb podcast while I played to make it somewhat less grueling.

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Posted by IceTrey87

So tonight I was thinking about severa things.

First up:  Gran Turismo 5

my friend bought the '20 dollar demo' as I called it and we were playing it tonight.  It in no way rivals Forza 2 for realism.  I CANNOT BELIEVE how many people have jumped down my throat calling me an idiot for liking Forza and saying that it was just a game and GT was a 'true racing sim'.  CARS DO NOT BOUNCE STRAIGHT BACK ONTO THE TRACK AND KEEP MOVING WHEN THEY HIT THE WALL.

Let me pause for you to absorb that last statement.

Moving on.  Aside from that, there is no vehicle damage at all.  If Forza can convince manufacturers to let them put rollover in thier upcoming game, I think GT can convince them to let them show vehicle damage.  They're just being lazy.  They took the whole driving line straight from Forza complete with the markers for braking.  Sideswiping vehicles never seems to make your car fishtail no matter where the car to car contact takes place.  This means your best strategy is to just not give a crap about hitting the walls and go full speed since the walls don't seem to slow you down at all unless you hit them head on.

I'm not just some microsoft fanboy.  I gave Gran Turismo a legitimate chance.

It's fun.  It's less realistic than Forza 2.  I also think Forza 2 is more fun. 

This lets me realistically infer:
Forza 3 will blow GT out of the water and into space.

 

Second on the list:  My friend is a crazy Kojima fanboy.  I'll admit.  The man knows how to tell a crazy-ass fun story with lots of cinematic moments.  His direction is good and his games are scored well.

This makes me think he would make a pretty adequate film director if he wanted to.

Here's the thing....
I think the ludicrous fan following, fanboys similtaneously orgasming whenever a new game is announced, talk about being the greatest games ever made....

Completely unwarranted.

 

Sure they're decent, even good games and all.  But think back to the first Metal Gear.  The first gun was in the back of a damn truck, hidden behind some crates.  How on earth would you know to climb into that truck and go around behind the crates?  Maybe it was mentioned by the Colonel in a cutscene or something, I don't remember.  The gameplay is all top down making it really inconvenient to see your surroundings.  It's a decent game and all but...

Then my friend was talking like 'oh, but metal gear solid 4 was like the best game ever you can't argue with that'.  But I mean, that gameplay in MGS4 has been around since freaking Splinter Cell albeit less combat heavy.  MGS4 has badass cutscenes, boss fights, shootouts, and stealth portions.  But, I don't see how any of that makes it the best game ever.  I'm on my way playing through Mass Effect currently and even though they're two different genres, ME seems to be more fun from what I've played and seen of both.  Also the stealth in all the Sam Fisher games seems way more believeable and well done.  Metal Gear breaks the fourth wall A LOT which is fine and all but if you're going for a hard-hitting realistic story....  I feel like the Splinter Cell games are far more immersive.  Sure MGS has weapon customization.  So does Army of Two.  Sure MGS has boss fights.  So does Gears of War.  Sure MGS has stealth kills.  So does Splinter Cell.  Sure MGS has good music.  So does Crimson Skies.  Sure MGS has first person shooting.  So does COD4.  So it takes a lot of things from different games and blends them together.

MGS4 is a GOOD GAME.  I'm not knocking it.  I just don't see what makes so many people be like "OMG YOU MUST PLAY THIS BEST GAME EVER GAAARGGGHHH!"

 

Side note, I beat an endurance race in Forza 2 tonight.  The car I was driving skipped straight from level 3 to 5.  I got like 160000 CR.  30 laps.

 

I wouldn't reccomend it.  I'll take my 6-8 lap races over that any day.  Listened to a giantbomb podcast while I played to make it somewhat less grueling.

Posted by Absurd

You seem like a shit disturber ;)

Posted by PureRok

I just pay a driver to do the endurance races and go play another game.

Posted by IceTrey87

I stir things up.

And it does seem rather ridiculous no matter how fun the game to expect people to drive on the same track for fifty minutes straight to unlock one car.  And when it did unlock I wasn't particularly impressed with it compared to some cars I got for much less effort.

Posted by s3ank1m

do i smell a fanboy?

Posted by FrankCanada97

Feh, Gran Turismo and Forza Motorsport are for sissies. iRacing.com and rFactor are true racing sims that require balls.

Posted by crunchUK
@IceTrey87 said:
"

Side note, I beat an endurance race in Forza 2 tonight.  The car I was driving skipped straight from level 3 to 5.  I got like 160000 CR.  30 laps.

 

I wouldn't reccomend it.  I'll take my 6-8 lap races over that any day.  Listened to a giantbomb podcast while I played to make it somewhat less grueling.

"
pffft i've done loads o endurance races. they#re epic. and yeah, GT is worse than forza
Posted by SirPsychoSexy

Gran Turismo had the braking line before the first Forza even came out. By the way you are a fanboy.

Posted by IceTrey87
@SirPsychoSexy said:
"Gran Turismo had the braking line before the first Forza even came out. By the way you are a fanboy."

Nothin' wrong with being a fanboy of a better game.
Posted by c1337us

I dont need you to pause your blog for me to absorb your bomb shell there. But I happen to agree with you, Forza is a better game then Gran Turismo. But I also happen to find both series rather unintertesting and lacking the ability to keep my attention.

Posted by mordukai
@IceTrey87 said:


"I'm not just some microsoft fanboy."

Yes you are!
Posted by keyhunter

As far as I'm concerned, Gran Turismo stopped at A-Spec or whatever for the PS2, and Forza took over thereafter.