infect999

My favorite is the one where this guy wants his wife to make him liver, but they don't have any liver, so the dude get's mad at his wife, so she goes to a funeral and steals the dead guy's liver and feeds it to her husband. Then at night the lady is awake and she hears someone walking, then the guy from the funeral walks in, and he's all like "WHERE'S MAH LIVER???", and she points to her husband. Then the dead guy eats him or something. The end.

If you wanna hear some crazy ghost stories, go to Plymouth, MA. Apparently they've got things like little kid ghosts running through buildings on one block and a crazy Indian ghost that pushed a cop down a staircase and killed him.

"Off-shore drilling won't help shit for possibly ten years; it definitely won't lower gas prices any time soon.
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""I do get your point, but what I'm saying is that even if the outcome is already determined, it was essentially determined by you, because your actions brought you to that decision."

NO!  If the outcome is already determined, I have no say in what happens.  If it IS determined by me, GOD WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS BEFORE HAND!

How does this not make sense?
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""How do you know you will be punished for your decision? Perhaps God knows that you will make the correct decision? God knows what decision you will make, but you still have to make the decision. It's still your decision. God did not decide it for you. You chose it. God just already knows what it's going to be."

You don't get it.

You don't get it at all.

I explain it. 

You respond with a question as though the point went right over your head.

You're not even responding to the points I make.  You're proposing more circular logic hypothetical situations in which something you believe is fact.

Then I explain it again.

Then we do it again

And again.

And again.

I quit.

You win.
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"infect999 said:

"Vaxadrin said:

""You don't know what decision you will make and you don't know what's ahead for you. Therefore, there is a decision, because you haven't made it yet. And while there is a "right" and "wrong" answer, you can still choose the wrong way. If you abandon the ability to choose the correct answer because you think it's futile because God already knows the decision you're going to make, then there's a problem."

NO!  IF GOD KNOWS THE DECISION I'M GOING TO MAKE BEFOREHAND, THERE IS NO DECISION BEING MADE BECAUSE THE OUTCOME IS ALREADY DETERMINED.  THUS IT IS JUST AN ACTION THAT I BELIEVE TO BE A DECISION.  THUS, IF I AM PUNISHED FOR IT, THAT'S FUCKING BULLSHIT.

"Actually your logic is still off.  Let's say God doesn't exist, but I create a machine that allows me to see into the future.  I see that a week from now you decide to have eggs for breakfast.  You still make the choice a week from now, I was just able to know that you would make that choice."

If you create a machine that can see I will eat eggs...

and you create the eggs...

and you create the frying pan...

and you create me....

and you create my ability to choose to make eggs...

and you know before doing all this i'm going to make eggs...

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ME MAKING EGGS!

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How do you know you will be punished for your decision? Perhaps God knows that you will make the correct decision? God knows what decision you will make, but you still have to make the decision. It's still your decision. God did not decide it for you. You chose it. God just already knows what it's going to be.
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No, because if there is only one outcome (the one foreseen by god) then it's just actions, no REAL decision, at no point could you change your destiny. It makes you jut a cog in the machine.
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""It is not the will or nature of God to make people that can't choose, even when there is a correct choice to be made."

If he creates a correct choice, then he also creates an incorrect choice.  This means he created evil and allows us to choose it.

I also think it's unfair to redefine omnipotent so that it makes you vaguely correct.
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""You don't know what decision you will make and you don't know what's ahead for you. Therefore, there is a decision, because you haven't made it yet. And while there is a "right" and "wrong" answer, you can still choose the wrong way. If you abandon the ability to choose the correct answer because you think it's futile because God already knows the decision you're going to make, then there's a problem."

NO!  IF GOD KNOWS THE DECISION I'M GOING TO MAKE BEFOREHAND, THERE IS NO DECISION BEING MADE BECAUSE THE OUTCOME IS ALREADY DETERMINED.  THUS IT IS JUST AN ACTION THAT I BELIEVE TO BE A DECISION.  THUS, IF I AM PUNISHED FOR IT, THAT'S FUCKING BULLSHIT.

"Actually your logic is still off.  Let's say God doesn't exist, but I create a machine that allows me to see into the future.  I see that a week from now you decide to have eggs for breakfast.  You still make the choice a week from now, I was just able to know that you would make that choice."

If you create a machine that can see I will eat eggs...

and you create the eggs...

and you create the frying pan...

and you create me....

and you create my ability to choose to make eggs...

and you know before doing all this i'm going to make eggs...

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ME MAKING EGGS!

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"azuravian said:

"Vaxadrin said:

""Your logic is off. There is a choice. You choose to obey, or you choose to disobey, then you accept the consequences of your choice. He does not keep silent about the "correct" answer. It's all in the Bible. And even if he does know what decision you'll make, you still have to make it."

My logic is not off.  If he does know what decision I'm going to make, that means I'm not making a decision, because that decision is already set in stone before I've made it.  Otherwise, how would he know what it is?
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Actually your logic is still off.  Let's say God doesn't exist, but I create a machine that allows me to see into the future.  I see that a week from now you decide to have eggs for breakfast.  You still make the choice a week from now, I was just able to know that you would make that choice.
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But you CAN'T look into the future. And if you could, in your theory, there would still need to be discovered if we can change our future after seeing it (creating an alternative outcome).
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I've heard of a urologist named Dr. Dick Tapper. No joke.

""Gosh, all the common anti-Christian arguments in one thread, how great.  No and yes is the correct answer to this.  It also gets into what I can and what I should do.  As a Christian, I am forgiven, but that doesn't mean, I should sin knowing that I am forgiven for that sin."

So deductive reasoning is anti-Christian?

"Where has he kept silent about which one is correct.  I'm pretty sure he states very clearly that there is one way to salvation and states what that one way is."

You're selectively quoting.  I'll concede.  Here's a revised version I would enjoy a response for:

If god gives us a right and wrong choice, he's not really giving us a choice because there's a right and wrong answer.  He's already defined which one is the correct choice, and by having a very harsh punishment for picking the wrong one, that makes him an asshole.  Also, being that he's omnipotent, he already knows which one we're going to choose when he gives us the choice, so there's really NO CHOICE AT ALL.  That makes him a double asshole.
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