@jjweatherman: Most of the problems concerning Forza 5 had to do how progress in the career mode was structured. The progress was slow and you were encouraged to pay actual money to speed things up. Turn 10 did end up fixing all of that to a point where you get new cars ridiculously fast now. They even opened up the free-play mode for split-screen players which was another fan complaint. All in all Forza 5 is a really good driving game, but at this point I'd probably recommend waiting for six, especially if you're fiddling around with Horizon 2 and Project Cars in the meantime.