If this thing ends up as a Mass Effect 2 vs Dark Souls poll...and Mass Effect 2 somehow fucking wins, I will be so gravely disappointed in this community. SO gravely disappointed.
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You know, I would be perfectly fine with Skyrim winning this one as long as Dark Souls wins the other one...and then fucking obliterates Skyrim for it.
Uh I hate to burst your bubble but there have been games with level progression, unlocks, and perks since around 1970 or so. They are called RPG's, perhaps you have heard of this type of game before? I also played this game called Gears of War back in 2006.... it had regenerating health and was a shooter. When did Modern Warfare come out again? Also not to be a douche or anything but people have been bitching about steady FPS since before Counter Strike, much less Modern Warfare.
Modern Warfare is the most influential game of the last 6 years.... if you are a casual mainstream gamer who loves FPS. If you are anyone else you recognize it for what it is, a online shooter that stole mechanics from other games and acts like it invented them.
By that same exact argument, Skyrim is an RPG game that stole mechanics from other games and acts like it invented them. The star chart for distributing points is a skill tree, plain and simple. The first-person RPG? Go back to Eye of the Beholder and Might & Magic.
Using an argument like this invalidates not only both of the options here but multiple options throughout the entirety of the brackets. If anything, it leads to Dark Souls being one of the only honest choices on this whole set of brackets, and even then, Blade of Darkness came before it.
Moreover, while Gears of War did come before Call of Duty 4, it was nowhere close to the same level of forward progression and customization mechanics that Call of Duty 4 had. COD4 introduced a way for players of first-person shooters to create their own loadouts, to choose their own weapons through unlocks, to define how their character would interact with their own world. Is it essentially skill trees and leveling up in an RPG? Sure. How many shooters did that level of customization and detail before Call of Duty 4? How many have done it afterwards?
Yes, RPGs have been doing leveling up and customization for years, but this was not something that you saw introduced across SOOOOO many genres in such a short time like we've seen with this particular generation, and much of that is modeled after Call of Duty 4's innovations.
Moreover, the mechanics that Call of Duty 4 introduced for its multiplayer has gone into far more games than just FPS titles. Assassin's Creed and Blur are two prime examples of games in completely different genres that have used a loadout-style system inspired by Call of Duty 4. Hell, I would even be willing to say that the way you pick skills and runes within Diablo 3 as something inspired by Call of Duty 4! Look at the "skill tree" for Diablo 3 and tell me there aren't similarities! Meanwhile, not just first-person shooters have used this system, but third person as well...even games that came before it. Halo has moved to a loadout-style system. Crysis did the same. Bioshock 2's multiplayer (which was excellent and catches WAY too much flak from people)...Red Faction Guerrilla...so many that I literally cannot even count them!
It seems VERY narrow-minded to say it's just an influence to FPS.
When you look at that alone...and then look at Skyrim, I ask "what has Skyrim offered to this generation?"
And as for the PS3 thing, yeah, it's kinda shitty that that version of the game was busted, but if the Giant Bomb crew was able to look past that for GOTY 2011, then we should be happy to look past it for this. The PC version of that game was un-fucking-believable, and that's what counts here.
I'm pretty sure it was more Jeff giving up on the argument entirely because it was getting nowhere and Ryan walking out of the room that led to Skyrim getting those honors.
Also, I think it's fairly unfair to throw aside an entire version of a game in this kind of discussion.
All in all, it's a community thing, so I guess it doesn't really matter that much? I don't know. It matters to me. I want to know that when there is one game coming out in all of this, it's going to be the one that truly stands out above the rest. I'd like to think that everyone is really taking their time to think about these choices, but I know they aren't.
I made a case for Left 4 Dead over Skyrim, and that one didn't win. As it stands, I've got this feeling that Skyrim is just going to win the entire thing, and on a personal level, I hate the thought that a buggy game which didn't work on an entire console for an extended period of time would be considered by our community, a group of dedicated gamers, the "Game of the Generation."
Is Skyrim the one game that should represent an entire generation of games? It just personally doesn't sit well for me. I'm not going to sit here and say that I think Call of Duty 4 should be that final game either. I haven't even played it, but I think The Last of Us should be the one that wins. I know that sounds weird, but while I haven't played it, I've watched multiple playthroughs of the game (I don't own a PS3). That game looks fantastic, has some incredible dynamic gameplay to it, and the story is fucking heavy...FUCKING HEAVY. Overall, the thing just looks like everything that should be the culmination of this generation: trying to bring gameplay to cinematic art, blend them together, and somehow make that experience as real as possible for a player while also pushing the graphical and written boundaries that video games have sat on for a while. All the while, everything I've watched of The Last of Us gives each playthrough enough uniqueness that each player will have a slightly different experience with it, but the general basis is that the experience will be roughly the same for all involved. The gameplay mechanics in the game also seemed second to none, as Naughty Dog has always done a lot to push the boundaries of what a game is capable of doing in terms of gameplay as a whole. Part of that gameplay uniqueness seems to really stem from wanting to ground everything to a certain form of reality, and The Last of Us playthroughs that I've watched seem to do that rather well.
I know that I voted for The Walking Dead: Season One in the latest poll between the two, but I want The Last of Us to take the whole thing.
So in the end, none of this...I guess...really matters.
@drxlecter: /mute player
Honestly, I feel that's a rather limp argument. That's like saying that a knock against Skyrim should be the "arrow to the knee" meme.
Moreover, a lot of that was there long before Call of Duty happened. Halo, Unreal Tournament, Quake...all of these games before it had the same thing in the community. Call of Duty on consoles was just a larger audience of it happening, and thus it gets thrown into the mainstream spotlight.
This is about the GAME, not the COMMUNITY, right? It's called "Game of the Generation?"
I don't particularly think either of these should be in the finals in the first place. Mass Effect 2 refined the way the franchise PLAYED, but the story was generally lackluster and the ending was fucking terrible. Moreover, I still have a massive problem with the "relationships" in Bioware games.
Meanwhile, of all the Assassin's Creed games, AC2 is the one that honestly should've been on this whole bracket. Brotherhood was good, but in all honesty, it didn't do much worthwhile stuff to improve on the single player campaign (besides making it last FOR-EH-VER...which was nice) and ripping off The Ship for its multiplayer. Even then, that multiplayer experience was not very well refined, and fuck Ubisoft for online pass UPlay passport bullshit.
So, in the long and short of it, I am just flipping a coin on this one because I know both will not be making it all the way through.
Heads for ME2, tails for ACB.
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare should be the ONLY choice here, guys. Look, I understand that everyone loves some Skyrim, but we're talking about GAME OF THE GENERATION! Call of Duty 4 broke the mold, then recreated the mold for what a first-person shooter should be. It's the game that LITERALLY redefined online multiplayer for an ENTIRE GENERATION. Skyrim cannot make ANY such claim.
We're talking about Shock 'n' Awe, about Captain Price, about loadouts, perks, progressive leveling up within a multiplayer environment, some of the best multiplayer maps that have ever existed in online gaming, bullet penetration through walls...
What has Skyrim honestly given to this generation? Proof to developers that you can ship a buggy-as-all-hell game that didn't even work on an entire platform for HOW LONG...and still sell millions of copies? A game that...in all honesty...just redressed how it handled its redistribution of skill points and not much else? Oh, sorry, you can dual wield magic. Bah.
Moreover, I just really think people need to get past the "100+ hours of gameplay" and "mods" argument they keep making with Skyrim. The same EXACT argument can be made for Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare on PC. There are hundreds of hours of gameplay available through the multiplayer...and there are mods GALORE, far more than Skyrim has available. The fact that Call of Duty 4 STILL has people online for it shows just how strong of a game it is. Everyone only wants to look at the PC version of Skyrim and hail it as this big fucking amazing thing. However, the PS3 version of this game was LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE...as in you COULD NOT play it.
If we strip away mods from the equation...which you honestly should when you are talking about the game of the generation IMO (because we're supposed to judge the GAME, not the SUPPORT from a community to further enhance said game, right?), Skyrim doesn't do much beyond what Elder Scrolls already did. Was it fun to play? Sure, when you weren't bugged or glitched, you were able to hit the right trigger a lot and swing things at other things to kill them. I was able to do the same thing with Call of Duty 4, but the dynamic of it was far more drastic. Beyond that, we're talking about THE GRANDFATHER of the modern-day shooter. Where Wolfenstein 3D and Doom are the granddaddies of the first-person shooter in general, COD4 is the granddaddy of the evolution of shooters as both a mainstream genre as well as a completely different online experience. It added persona to lifeless gamertags, customization to YOU. That's something that I just literally don't think Skyrim can do.
Mind you, everyone has their opinions. I just think those voting for Skyrim have the wrong opinion. Flame that how you like, but at least I'm being honest.
Call of Duty 4 is honestly the only choice I can think of for this one. I'm sad that it's going to get knock out due to this lingering hatred for Call of Duty as a whole.
Super Mario Galaxy made its impact, but in terms of introducing open-world first-person RPGs to a big mainstream audience, I think Fallout 3 held a bit more influence in this generation.