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#1 Posted by JasonR86 (9711 posts) -

Shouldn't the question rather be "will the problems discussed be addressed?"

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#3 Posted by JasonR86 (9711 posts) -

@spaceinsomniac said:

@ekami said:

@defaultprophet said:

@spaceinsomniac said:

@defaultprophet said:

I vehemently disagree with your premise that enjoying something with problematic elements is all it takes. Defending or refusal to acknowledge those elements is where that judgement gets made. As Anita herself said in part 1 of Women as Background Decoration "As always, please keep in mind that it's entirely possible to be critical of some aspects of a piece of media while still finding other parts valuable or enjoyable."

That means everything to a woman who enjoys Bayonetta the game, but finds her offensive as character. But that means nothing to a woman who enjoys Bayonetta as a character, including the woman who designed her.


Hi guys! I've basically stayed out of this whole conversation until just right now, because I also need this sentence explained to me or I won't be able to sleep tonight.

Sure thing. If you like Bayonetta as a game, and someone is ONLY criticizing the character herself, that doesn't mean they're criticizing the game itself or your enjoyment of the game. There are lots of things you can say are good or bad about the game, and the character is just one of them.

However now think of someone who likes Bayonetta as a character. Perhaps they think that she's has a cool design, or perhaps they are a woman who happens to find her empowering, and maybe they even have dressed as her for a convention or two. For those people, by saying that Bayonetta is an offensive character, you have criticized EVERYTHING about Bayonetta as a character.

And to be clear, Sarkeesian has said that the only positive thing about the character is that she's a single mother. Actually, she specifically said that was the only positive thing about the game itself, but even when ignoring this, you still have the issue that I'm referring to.

And because of that, the whole " it's entirely possible to be critical of some aspects of a piece of media while still finding other parts valuable or enjoyable." is kind of worthless at that point.

That's called having a differing opinion and a discussion can be had about that. That doesn't invalidate enjoyment of the whole while recognizing problematic parts.

Yep. Not everyone has the same experience with a game, movie, book, etc. There isn't a 'right' way to go about experiencing something so saying a way of experiencing is 'worthless' is pretty silly.

#4 Posted by JasonR86 (9711 posts) -


I didn't even consider their ages when watching. Looking back, since they were young military I assumed they would be in their late teens early 20's like most privates in the military in the US. I can't imagine how that would be a weird thing for someone to come to terms with. I mean in war movies how old do people think the soldiers are? 30-40? I mean a few are but a ton of them are really young.

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I mean. He was blocked dude. Fair or not, wouldn't it be the mature thing to accept their wishes and leave then be? This thread is fine. But this thread isn't against their wishes. Right?

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@granderojo: Sorry if I read something into it. It just read odd. Because frankly these issues didn't just happen recently. They've been happening forever. It's just throughout history, at different times, they draw a spotlight. Which is unfortunate that so many spotlights have been drawn upon these issues and yet here we are again.

#8 Posted by JasonR86 (9711 posts) -

When you start with 'when this this whole feminism explosion happened..." you're not going to win many people over. In fact, it says quite a lot.

#9 Posted by JasonR86 (9711 posts) -

@starfoxa said:

@jasonr86: Really? I thought that was the most melodramatic show I've ever seen. It also has that one chick who loves food, and everyone is constantly shouting.

Well, the food lady nonsense stops after a few episodes. There's drama but it's not just drama for the sack of it. Besides the training camp stuff. That shit was pretty rough. But once the fighting in the city starts every reaction seems earned. That's the problem I have had with other anime I've tried to watch. The drama is there because the characters are overly dramatic regardless of the situation. But in Attack on Titan they are all legitimately fucked for most of that show so the drama fits. Maybe lack of melodrama isn't the right word. It's appropriate drama. I guess. If he were to watch that show he'd have to get to the point when the city is under attack. It's about episode 4-5. Then it picks up and gets really good. I think Dan would have problems with some of the nonsense that comes up but I think the vast majority he would like.

Like this scene. They just spent like 5 episodes building everyone up and then, when they actually fight for the first time, everyone gets fucked up immediately. I love how dire it all is.

So I guess it is melodrama. But it fits.

#10 Posted by JasonR86 (9711 posts) -

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet but Attack on Titan could be the one. It's the only anime I like. It focuses more on action and dealing with insurmountable circumstances more then melodrama. It rarely falls into the trap of other anime of having that one character that has one very dumb trait that is supposed to be funny but isn't. It seems to me to be one of the most palatable anime for a US audience and Dan is the epitome of the US audience.