Wiki Editors: Please Stop Making Assumptions

I just had to make some updates to a new page on the site for inFAMOUS 2, which technically hasn't even been announced yet. 

It's already dicey for us to even have an inFAMOUS 2 page, since it hasn't been confirmed, but since that Portuguese magazine has been so obvious with its next cover, we'll let that part slide.
 
But don't do this. Don't assume that a sequel is going to have the same traits as its predecessor. At best, you're making mistakes that will have to be corrected later. At worst, you're gaming the system for points and will end up losting a great deal more than you've fudged if you keep stuff like this up. Thanks.
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Posted by Jeff

I just had to make some updates to a new page on the site for inFAMOUS 2, which technically hasn't even been announced yet. 

It's already dicey for us to even have an inFAMOUS 2 page, since it hasn't been confirmed, but since that Portuguese magazine has been so obvious with its next cover, we'll let that part slide.
 
But don't do this. Don't assume that a sequel is going to have the same traits as its predecessor. At best, you're making mistakes that will have to be corrected later. At worst, you're gaming the system for points and will end up losting a great deal more than you've fudged if you keep stuff like this up. Thanks.
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Edited by Mr_Skeleton

Yeah Mass Effect 3 is also full of related pages that werent confirmed or announced.

Posted by Mrskidders
@Jeff: So whats the official ruling on it.  Do you need to provide sources and links for all material you post?  Say in the case that someone makes a discovery before other people and wants to get the jump on the page and make their own mark on it?  I only ask because I have the time to start contributing now so I wish to start editing more.
Posted by natetodamax
@Jeff: Good call Jeff. I've cleaned up the Mass Effect 3 page
Posted by Mr_Skeleton

Just checked Dragon Age 2, also has a lot of unconfirmed related pages, maybe games that werent officialy announced shouldnt have editable pages.

Posted by Disgaeamad

  @Mrskidders: It's hardly a case of providing links and such when to comes to cases like this; people are assuming that the game will include certain elements when, in fact, there's no official information on the game whatsoever, let alone an official announcement.
 
If you somehow came across legit info before anyone else, which I doubt would happen in the first place, you'd probably be best off making a post in the game's forum linking to that piece of info, which would help to avoid this type of incident.

Posted by Oni

Yeah, there are definitely cases where the sequel differs from the predecessor. If this treatment were to be applied to the next Deus Ex for example, I'm sure it would be massively incorrect. Isn't Red Dead Redemption also pretty different from Revolver? For all we know you'll get fire powers in Infamous 2 or something. Until we know stuff like this, we shouldn't make those assumptions. Castlevania: Lords of Shadow associated with whip and Belmont, sure. Dracula, however, has not been confirmed yet, as far as I know.

Edited by MattyFTM
@Mrskidders said:

" @Jeff: So whats the official ruling on it.  Do you need to provide sources and links for all material you post?  Say in the case that someone makes a discovery before other people and wants to get the jump on the page and make their own mark on it?  I only ask because I have the time to start contributing now so I wish to start editing more. "

You don't have to provide sources for everything you submit. However if you still have to go though moderation (i.e. have less than 1000 points), it can be very helpful to leave a comment explaining where the information is from. Something as basic as "I read this on site X" and a link is fine. Or in the case you just know because you played the game "I know this because I played the game" will be great. We won't deny submissions for lacking a source, but a description of what you added and where you got the info from can be a great help to us and make the tedious job of moderating wiki submissions easier.
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Posted by CitizenKane

Thanks for the proclamation, Jeff.

Posted by mracoon

I've had to clear up several pages like this before.

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Posted by risseless
@Disgaeamad said:
"If you somehow came across legit info before anyone else, which I doubt would happen in the first place, you'd probably be best off making a post in the game's forum linking to that piece of info, which would help to avoid this type of incident. "
 
I like this idea. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect some amount of source documentation for games that haven't been released yet and the game forum seems a logical place to do it. For games that are released, we already have documentation in the game itself -- anyone can pick it up and verify the wiki associations should they find them suspect. But for unreleased games, data verification is a bit more tenuous. Seems like a higher standard is in order for them, if we're going to keep the data accurate (and I think we should).
Posted by ZeForgotten

"Lightning manipulation" Lamps, cars and fuse boxes shoots lightning now? :o 
Cole, the weatherman

Posted by MetalGearSunny

I contributed to some of that, I'm sorry.

Edited by skrutop

Dude, I gave up on trying to modify the Guitar Hero 6 page.  Some dude's squatting on it.  He has poor grammar, no sense of formatting, and doesn't understand the concept of speculation.  Oh, and I got all of 10 points for the effort.

Posted by hedfone

whoa new Jeff blog?!!??!

Posted by ryanwho

The problem seems to be making pages for games that are a forgone conclusion, sure, but have absolutely no info out on them. If you don't know a single thing about an upcoming game, it doesn't really need a page at all. Wait for a screenshot at least.

Posted by JackiJinx

This has to be said?

Posted by Metroid545
@Mr_Skeleton said:
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maybe games that werent officialy announced shouldnt have editable pages.

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like this idea, seems no matter how much we say this someones going to do it for those sweet wiki points that you can probably use to buy a car or something. Having pages for future games is on the ice as it is
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Posted by ryanwho
@Metroid545 said:
" @Mr_Skeleton said:
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maybe games that werent officialy announced shouldnt have editable pages.

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like this idea, seems no matter how much we say this someones going to do it for those sweet wiki points that you can probably use to buy a car or something. Having pages for future games is on the ice as it is "
They could just require approval for all new game pages regardless of how many points you have. That would create a little more work for Dave maybe but the site would be a lot cleaner.
Posted by Sweep

The staff should write more blogs. I don't think you guys are taking advantage of the huge following you have accumulated from your awesome podcasts. I thought you encouraged stalkers? Clearly not enough...

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Posted by c_rakestraw

Good to know. I'll keep my eye out for more pages like that.

Posted by Video_Game_King

What about given ones, like 3D or sequel or health? It'd be incredibly hard to dispute any of those.

Posted by AlwaysAngry

Weirdly enough, I just had to remove ModNation Racers from the LittleBigPlanet franchise list. People think it's easier to get away with adding concepts and games that aren't related.

Posted by AlwaysAngry
Posted by Nes
@Video_Game_King said:

" What about given ones, like 3D or sequel or health? It'd be incredibly hard to dispute any of those. "

What if a speculated video game sequel decides not to use health at all? It's possible.
 
I bet people do this just to game the system for points. Are people that willing to get the 5k? Kinda sad.
Posted by Video_Game_King
@Nes: 
 
Fair enough, but it'd be hard to fault me for putting it in, given that pretty much every game does it, and they haven't made announcements otherwise.
 
Also, what about 3D or sequel :P?
Posted by Nes
@Video_Game_King: It could be a 2D prequel. ;)
Posted by ToadRunner

jeff takes that shit way too serious

Posted by TMThomsen
@ToadRunner said:
" jeff takes that shit way too serious "
No he absolutely does not.
Posted by AlwaysAngry
@TMThomsen said:
" @ToadRunner said:
" jeff takes that shit way too serious "
No he absolutely does not. "
Posted by FrankCanada97

I would think that users find Quest xp more important than wiki points. Anyways, will keep an eye out for it.

Posted by LordAndrew
@ToadRunner: He takes it as seriously as someone who cares about the wiki should. Perhaps you don't care about it, but others do. And we wish the staff would be more involved with the wiki.
Posted by kishan6

ew u have a mac

Posted by jakob187
@JackiJinx said:
" This has to be said? "
Sadly, yeah.
Posted by Deusoma

 @Jeff:  
 Oh my lord, thank you so much Mr. Gerstmann, I can't tell you how many times I've had to empty concept sections for this exact reason.

Posted by yakov456

No offense to Jeff or any of the crew, but you folks created this monster.

Posted by CharlesAlanRatliff

I had to delete stuff exactly like that before from the Half-Life 2: Episode Three page.  I mean, seriously! We know absolutely nothing about that game yet.
 
Fake edit: Looks like there is still a bunch of stuff on there. :-\

Posted by lordofultima
@ToadRunner said:
" jeff takes that shit way too serious "
You don't take that shit seriously enough.
Posted by Willy105

I agree.
 
It's a gift that we don't have to use the same Work Cited reference sections like Wikipedia. Don't abuse it.

Posted by DystopiaX

apparently inFamous 2 will have multiplayer, matchmaking. 
lol

Posted by Hailinel

I can't count the number of times I've assumed the Picard Facepalm Position at the sight of this very thing.

Posted by ChristOnIce

I don't see how the site can have things two completely contradictory ways without seeing the problem.  The idea of a gaming wiki was good, but the "reward" bullshit has sodomized any potential for it to be a legitimate resource.  Because people strive for meaningless crap (points, XP, etc.), the site is cluttered to all hell with every permutation of every detail.  I'd be willing to bet that a good 50% or more of the wiki is useless bullshit that adds nothing and just devalues the potential of the site.  One has to sift through so much garbage to find useful or interesting information.  It'd be nice to have a wiki worth browsing, but any attempt will yield far more chaff than worth. 
 
If you're going to hand out kudos for simply editing, then you can't realistically expect quality in the results. 

Posted by RecSpec

Good call.
 You know that some hack video game blogging site would see something like this and run with it.
 
"Giant Bomb: Infamous 2 to feature an open world online multiplayer with matchmaking"

Posted by Brackynews

Good call. There are so many game pages that need the attention, games you can actually PLAY right now.

Posted by Xeiphyer

Some of those are no brainers about being in the second game, but matchmaking? really? The game hasn't even been announced yet.
 
Damn people trying to increase their e-penis size! Why not go fix up an out of date page or something that hasn't been filled out yet.

Posted by Flaime

The "similar games"  list on various pages are also filled with games, that are either speculated or doesn't make any sense at all, also on existing pages. People should watch out for these as well. Example: Battlefield 2142 was attached to Unreal Tournament 2003, other than "future" and "weapons", these games have nothing in common in terms of environment, style, universe, or gameplay.

Edited by TheDarkPrince
@skrutop said:

"Dude, I gave up on trying to modify the Guitar Hero 6 page.  Some dude's squatting on it.  He has poor grammar, no sense of formatting, and doesn't understand the concept of speculation.  Oh, and I got all of 10 points for the effort. "


listen dude i ant ""squatting" on the gh: wor wiki  im just posting info on that wiki that is intresting is it aginst the site to added rumors to a wiki which look as though the yare going to be true what I mean is the rumored setlist for GH:WOR has all the confermed songs in the list do it look as thoughthe rumoed list will be true.as for your cleaning up that perticular wiki he got rid of the screenshots why did he need to do that?. i do know what speculation is.
Posted by Brake

Worst case scenario is that they never bother to come back and clean it up after the game actually comes out. Just adding stuff is unforunately more fun than going back for clean up duty.

Posted by Scooper
@TheDarkPrince said:
" @skrutop said:

"Dude, I gave up on trying to modify the Guitar Hero 6 page.  Some dude's squatting on it.  He has poor grammar, no sense of formatting, and doesn't understand the concept of speculation.  Oh, and I got all of 10 points for the effort. "


listen dude i ant ""squatting" on the gh: wor wiki  im just posting info on that wiki that is intresting is it aginst the site to added rumors to a wiki which look as though the yare going to be true what I mean is the rumored setlist for GH:WOR has all the confermed songs in the list do it look as thoughthe rumoed list will be true.as for your cleaning up that perticular wiki he got rid of the screenshots why did he need to do that?. i do know what speculation is. "
Don't edit wikis until you've learnt even very basic grammar. It is hideous to read, no matter what information is in there.
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