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Wiki Editors: Please Stop Making Assumptions

I just had to make some updates to a new page on the site for inFAMOUS 2, which technically hasn't even been announced yet. 

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It's already dicey for us to even have an inFAMOUS 2 page, since it hasn't been confirmed, but since that Portuguese magazine has been so obvious with its next cover, we'll let that part slide.
 
But don't do this. Don't assume that a sequel is going to have the same traits as its predecessor. At best, you're making mistakes that will have to be corrected later. At worst, you're gaming the system for points and will end up losting a great deal more than you've fudged if you keep stuff like this up. Thanks.
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This has gone way off topic, just follow the rules and all will be good. Thanks.

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@TheDarkPrince said:
" @skrutop said:

"Dude, I gave up on trying to modify the Guitar Hero 6 page.  Some dude's squatting on it.  He has poor grammar, no sense of formatting, and doesn't understand the concept of speculation.  Oh, and I got all of 10 points for the effort. "


listen dude i ant ""squatting" on the gh: wor wiki  im just posting info on that wiki that is intresting is it aginst the site to added rumors to a wiki which look as though the yare going to be true what I mean is the rumored setlist for GH:WOR has all the confermed songs in the list do it look as thoughthe rumoed list will be true.as for your cleaning up that perticular wiki he got rid of the screenshots why did he need to do that?. i do know what speculation is. "
Boom! You just got handled! 
 
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@FluxWaveZ:  
Yes, I like those, except for dumb ones like the 'bugbear' and the 'most important man in the video game industry' ones.
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@Ignor said:
" Get rid of the friggin points, and do away with the quests while you're at it. "
Nope!
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@Ignor said:
" @FluxWaveZ:  It's a badly implemented idea and it's just as abused as some people claim the wiki is. "
Well, maybe all the other quests other than the scavenging ones.  But you have to admit the ones that require you to follow hints and search deep down in the GB wiki to complete the quests are the best ones, the ones that you can't actually abuse.
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@FluxWaveZ: 
It's a badly implemented idea and it's just as abused as some people claim the wiki is.
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@Ignor said:
" Get rid of the friggin points, and do away with the quests while you're at it. "
Not the quests that involve nothing to do with Wiki editing, though.
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Get rid of the friggin points, and do away with the quests while you're at it.

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The real problem here that nobody wants to talk about is how stupid half of these concepts are in the first place. Artificial intelligence? Explosions? I know it's how the site has operated from the start, but come on. Common sense. If you want to talk about people gaming the system, I'd start there. Because it's a pretty sure bet Infamous 2 isn't going to be a Pong console.

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Layin' down the law, Gerstmann style.

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@The_Laughing_Man said:
" @MrCellophane said:
" @LordAndrew said:
" @Jayross: You can provide links to sources in the comment for the moderator. That will make it a lot easier for moderators to verify your changes. "
That's not necessarily helping much in the long run. I have achieved 1000+ points, so pretty much nobody checks if my edits are based on reliable sources.  ...sorry, Wikipedian coming through. "
So you get all your info from wikipidia?  "
No, I'm just one of those behind-the-scenes guys who bust our asses trying to find sources for everything on Wikipedia
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@LordAndrew said:
" @The_Laughing_Man: A Wikipedian would know that Wikipedia is also not a reliable source. Most of the stuff I write can be attributed to the game itself. If it's from somewhere else, like an interview or something, then go ahead and indicate that in the body of the text. "
I never go to wiki for stuff here unless I do not know how to spell a name. 
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@The_Laughing_Man: A Wikipedian would know that Wikipedia is also not a reliable source. 
Most of the stuff I write can be attributed to the game itself. If it's from somewhere else, like an interview or something, then go ahead and indicate that in the body of the text.
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@MrCellophane said:
" @LordAndrew said:
" @Jayross: You can provide links to sources in the comment for the moderator. That will make it a lot easier for moderators to verify your changes. "
That's not necessarily helping much in the long run. I have achieved 1000+ points, so pretty much nobody checks if my edits are based on reliable sources.  ...sorry, Wikipedian coming through. "
So you get all your info from wikipidia? 
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@LordAndrew said:
" @Jayross: You can provide links to sources in the comment for the moderator. That will make it a lot easier for moderators to verify your changes. "
That's not necessarily helping much in the long run. I have achieved 1000+ points, so pretty much nobody checks if my edits are based on reliable sources. 
 
...sorry, Wikipedian coming through.
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@TheDarkPrince said:

" @skrutop: do the mods have a problem with me ... er i dont think so my last reply wasn't all that bad a few errors mind & all you grammer tolls start to throw a strop beacuse i cant type with lardy dar english. i'll finis by saying 1 thing :GODwins LAW "

Please stop talking. And stop molesting the wiki pages. Im gonna go though and see if I can save the pages you harassed. 
@Scooper said:

" @TheDarkPrince said:

" @skrutop said:

"Dude, I gave up on trying to modify the Guitar Hero 6 page.  Some dude's squatting on it.  He has poor grammar, no sense of formatting, and doesn't understand the concept of speculation.  Oh, and I got all of 10 points for the effort. "


listen dude i ant ""squatting" on the gh: wor wiki  im just posting info on that wiki that is intresting is it aginst the site to added rumors to a wiki which look as though the yare going to be true what I mean is the rumored setlist for GH:WOR has all the confermed songs in the list do it look as thoughthe rumoed list will be true.as for your cleaning up that perticular wiki he got rid of the screenshots why did he need to do that?. i do know what speculation is. "
Don't edit wikis until you've learnt even very basic grammar. It is hideous to read, no matter what information is in there. "
Is that why most of the GH pages look like crap? 
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@TheDarkPrince said:
"@skrutop: do the mods have a problem with me ... er i dont think so my last reply wasn't all that bad a few errors mind & all you grammer tolls start to throw a strop beacuse i cant type with lardy dar english. i'll finis by saying 1 thing :GODwins LAW "

Wow. Just wow. Please tell me you are butchering the English language on purpose. And, yes, there are rules against adding rumors to Wiki pages. That is the point of this whole blog. Maybe you missed it.
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You know what they say about assumptions, right? They make an ASS out of U and ME. Sorry, I actually have nothing constructive to add but my Dad used to say that all that time.

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More like wiki editors, quit being retarded.

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The Dragon Age 2 page has the same problem, unless somebody's fixed it by now.

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I hate losting stuff

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@ch13696: He's not deleting the page; he's deleting stuff that's not known about the game. Once concepts have been added it's unlikely they'll ever be removed, even if it turns out they're not actually in the game. So it's important not to add concepts until you know they're in the game.
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I don't see the problem. Except for the new powers. I'm sure the developers won't change a whole lot in this game. It got near perfect scores when it came out. Not only that, there was a semi-announcement a long time ago. Sucker Punch said they may be working on it. So Jeff, stop complaining and keep the page up. Pretty simple.

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@Jayross: You can provide links to sources in the comment for the moderator. That will make it a lot easier for moderators to verify your changes.
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Should we be citing our sources like Wikipedia? 
 
Oh wait, we can't, at least not for the concepts page.

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Edited By gamer_152  Moderator

I've seen this happen numerous times and it's really annoyed me too to see such misinformative edits being made to the wiki.

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Eh, people gaming the system always irritated me. I can somewhat see boosting for gamerscore, but who gives a shit how many wiki points you have? You haven't done anything meaningful by spamming a page with a bunch of pictures. It only shows that you know how to play fetch. 

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I thought about it a little bit maybe the ability to lock only the related pages sections would solve the problem, because if someone is going to mess with the article before the game comes out its usually to add information from interviews so there is less chances that someone would add false or unannonuced information there for some free wiki points.

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Yeah its annoying when people do that.

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@natetodamax said:
" @Jeff: Good call Jeff. I've cleaned up the Mass Effect 3 page "
HAHA... I didn't even know there was such a page.
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@skrutop:
do the mods have a problem with me ... er i dont think so my last reply wasn't all that bad a few errors mind & all you grammer tolls start to throw a strop beacuse i cant type with lardy dar english. i'll finis by saying 1 thing :GODwins LAW
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@TheDarkPrince said:

" @skrutop said:

"Dude, I gave up on trying to modify the Guitar Hero 6 page.  Some dude's squatting on it.  He has poor grammar, no sense of formatting, and doesn't understand the concept of speculation.  Oh, and I got all of 10 points for the effort. "


listen dude i ant ""squatting" on the gh: wor wiki  im just posting info on that wiki that is intresting is it aginst the site to added rumors to a wiki which look as though the yare going to be true what I mean is the rumored setlist for GH:WOR has all the confermed songs in the list do it look as thoughthe rumoed list will be true.as for your cleaning up that perticular wiki he got rid of the screenshots why did he need to do that?. i do know what speculation is. "
And thank you for proving my point for me.  And to keep from simply flaming:
 
 

@ChristOnIce

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" I don't see how the site can have things two completely contradictory ways without seeing the problem.  The idea of a gaming wiki was good, but the "reward" bullshit has sodomized any potential for it to be a legitimate resource.  Because people strive for meaningless crap (points, XP, etc.), the site is cluttered to all hell with every permutation of every detail."

I totally agree with you here, and it goes for the Quests as well.  People get pissed when users spam a video to get the First! quest, but what are they supposed to do?  They're being rewarded for it.  (Hell, just look at Jeff's previous blog...even he does it).  Same thing goes for the wikis.
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@TheDarkPrince said:
" @skrutop said:

"Dude, I gave up on trying to modify the Guitar Hero 6 page.  Some dude's squatting on it.  He has poor grammar, no sense of formatting, and doesn't understand the concept of speculation.  Oh, and I got all of 10 points for the effort. "


listen dude i ant ""squatting" on the gh: wor wiki  im just posting info on that wiki that is intresting is it aginst the site to added rumors to a wiki which look as though the yare going to be true what I mean is the rumored setlist for GH:WOR has all the confermed songs in the list do it look as thoughthe rumoed list will be true.as for your cleaning up that perticular wiki he got rid of the screenshots why did he need to do that?. i do know what speculation is. "
Don't edit wikis until you've learnt even very basic grammar. It is hideous to read, no matter what information is in there.
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Worst case scenario is that they never bother to come back and clean it up after the game actually comes out. Just adding stuff is unforunately more fun than going back for clean up duty.

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@skrutop said:

"Dude, I gave up on trying to modify the Guitar Hero 6 page.  Some dude's squatting on it.  He has poor grammar, no sense of formatting, and doesn't understand the concept of speculation.  Oh, and I got all of 10 points for the effort. "


listen dude i ant ""squatting" on the gh: wor wiki  im just posting info on that wiki that is intresting is it aginst the site to added rumors to a wiki which look as though the yare going to be true what I mean is the rumored setlist for GH:WOR has all the confermed songs in the list do it look as thoughthe rumoed list will be true.as for your cleaning up that perticular wiki he got rid of the screenshots why did he need to do that?. i do know what speculation is.
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The "similar games"  list on various pages are also filled with games, that are either speculated or doesn't make any sense at all, also on existing pages. People should watch out for these as well. Example: Battlefield 2142 was attached to Unreal Tournament 2003, other than "future" and "weapons", these games have nothing in common in terms of environment, style, universe, or gameplay.

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Some of those are no brainers about being in the second game, but matchmaking? really? The game hasn't even been announced yet.
 
Damn people trying to increase their e-penis size! Why not go fix up an out of date page or something that hasn't been filled out yet.

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Good call. There are so many game pages that need the attention, games you can actually PLAY right now.

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Good call.
 You know that some hack video game blogging site would see something like this and run with it.
 
"Giant Bomb: Infamous 2 to feature an open world online multiplayer with matchmaking"

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I don't see how the site can have things two completely contradictory ways without seeing the problem.  The idea of a gaming wiki was good, but the "reward" bullshit has sodomized any potential for it to be a legitimate resource.  Because people strive for meaningless crap (points, XP, etc.), the site is cluttered to all hell with every permutation of every detail.  I'd be willing to bet that a good 50% or more of the wiki is useless bullshit that adds nothing and just devalues the potential of the site.  One has to sift through so much garbage to find useful or interesting information.  It'd be nice to have a wiki worth browsing, but any attempt will yield far more chaff than worth. 
 
If you're going to hand out kudos for simply editing, then you can't realistically expect quality in the results. 

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I can't count the number of times I've assumed the Picard Facepalm Position at the sight of this very thing.

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apparently inFamous 2 will have multiplayer, matchmaking. 
lol

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I agree.
 
It's a gift that we don't have to use the same Work Cited reference sections like Wikipedia. Don't abuse it.

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@ToadRunner said:
" jeff takes that shit way too serious "
You don't take that shit seriously enough.
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I had to delete stuff exactly like that before from the Half-Life 2: Episode Three page.  I mean, seriously! We know absolutely nothing about that game yet.
 
Fake edit: Looks like there is still a bunch of stuff on there. :-\

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No offense to Jeff or any of the crew, but you folks created this monster.

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 @Jeff:  
 Oh my lord, thank you so much Mr. Gerstmann, I can't tell you how many times I've had to empty concept sections for this exact reason.

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@JackiJinx said:
" This has to be said? "
Sadly, yeah.
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ew u have a mac

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@ToadRunner: He takes it as seriously as someone who cares about the wiki should. Perhaps you don't care about it, but others do. And we wish the staff would be more involved with the wiki.