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Hate local business? Buy everything from Amazon.

My friend and associate Kevin Knodell just published a piece on the closure of Comic Book Inc. in Tacoma. I will confess to never having gone to the shop in question, mostly from my lack of interest in comic books. However, I look at the closing of any independent business with a pain in my gut.

At one point during my time in Parkland, I went out shopping with a new group of Dungeons & Dragons players to my favorite local business, The Game Matrix in Lakewood. It’s a one-stop shop for everything from Warhammer miniatures pants and LARPing supplies, to family board games and copies of The Dead Gentlemen’s hit film The Gamers II: Dorkness Rising. Their selection is astounding, and they’re willing to order anything they don’t have. I’ve not once had a bad customer experience there, and the folks who come in to play war games and run D&D sessions are polite and informative. They’ve even got a soda machine that sells cans of Mountain Dew for fifty cents. Regardless, one of these new players was looking for a fairly specific miniature, pre-painted if possible. They had a pewter, unpainted version of a tiefling druid-ish mini, but they wanted something like a reasonable price for it. The player’s response to the clerk was, “Well, that’s a little expensive. I think I’ll just order this on Amazon instead.”

This was the moment, friends, where I started to think very seriously about Amazon. It also made me wonder about my friendship with the person in question, but that’s for my therapist.

For starters, I can think of no worse of an insult to a person than to say, in effect, that your livelihood is not worthy enough of a thing for me to spend money in your shop. This is not far removed from wishing them deprivation and hunger, for it is the suggestion that their shop is not a worthwhile place. Without their shop, they’ve lost their job. Granted, one person’s business on a ten dollar item might not be enough to bring down an institution. It would take a spectacular amount of lost sales, by a competitor who could compete at such a volume that they could undercut the meager margins on a ten dollar miniature to make that sale. It would also take a generation or two to become more or less indoctrinated and addicted to the experience provided by this competition, to the point where they begin to base most of their purchasing patterns around the outlet. And that, friends, is why Amazon is terrifying to me.

Buying the Pathfinder Core Rulebook is a $50 proposition, plus sales tax. It’s not a cheap book, but then again it is the only book you’d really need to play the game (past a Monster Manual for the DM; and no YOU DON’T NEED THOSE SPLATBOOKS AAAHHHH). That $50 purchase is a commitment to some, perhaps even more to a cash-strapped high school or college student, but its purchase should be seen as something of a rite of passage. The new gamer is taken to their local Mecca, the gaming shop, walked through the halls of endless supplements and Salvatore novels, and handed their new tome. They learn the shopkeeper’s name, and check the nearby corkboard of index cards for any games starting in the area. It can be this great experience, interacting with people and interfacing with tactile items.

Amazon.com cheapens the experience, literally, by offering the same book for $31.50. They’ll go a step further and ship it to your door in two days if you’re a college student. Imagine the convenience of never having to deal with another human being while you get into a hobby whose main conceit is that you must deal with other human beings. Think of the time you could save not being exposed to other games that you might be more inclined to pick up. Add that to the gas you’ll save when your book shows up in an over-large cardboard box, wrapped in plastic bubble wrap or filled with styrofoam, and you’ve got one hell of a deal.

The gloves are off. I see Amazon as one of the most damaging forces arrayed against small, independently owned business. One could counter-claim that the recession is the real killer of businesses, but I would propose that it only fuels the fire beneath them. When I was in college and my income was significantly less, I would look at a $20 savings as the simplest of choices. And that was for admittedly frivolous things; for absolute needs like my textbooks, the choice was even more obvious. Why spend money that I need not spend, I would reason. Me first, I would reason. These guys would give me free deliveries, occasionally next day, on the same item I would pay significantly more for at the local bookstore. I was not the only undergraduate student of modest means in 2008. I feel I can safely say that there are millions of people who look at the value proposition of Amazon (and other online retailers) versus their neighbors, and shrift their neighbors.

The real exception I made to the standing Amazon policy was in used books, which I pursued voraciously at a few fine local shops (Tacoma Book Center and Park Avenue Books mostly, with some trips to Half Price Books after I learned of its existence). I applied the same spendthrift logic to these used shop excursions, but there was also the notion that local businesses were worth the effort to sustain. Over time, I fell deeply in love with the Tacoma Book Center in particular. Their selection is astounding, and they will hunt down and order materials that they don’t have in stock. I would bring in stacks of old books, willing to accept that I would be able to trade them all for maybe one or two “new” titles, and accepted this on the notion that this is a business that lives on selling books for more than what they spent to buy them. I, in turn, clear their inventory space for new books and more sales. It all started to feel very organic, like I was cleaning the teeth of a whale or something. Symbiotic relationships and whathaveyou. Furthermore, I could actually find better deals there than I could from private sellers through Amazon. I wasn’t having to cut my own throat to keep them in business, which was fine by me.

When I think about CBI closing, I think about my own local comic book store, The Dreaming. I chose the apartment I did based in part on the fact that I can basically crawl to The Dreaming in under a minute. It’s an extension of my apartment to me, a library full of Lovecraft statues and New World of Darkness core books (plus those mysterious comic book things). They host tabletop gaming sessions several nights a week, and are now doing Magic twice a week (borrowing space from the Scum of the Earth Church next door). On Free Comic Book Day, the owners placed out a dozen boxes full of used comics (most in plastic) for anybody to grab. They’re providing an outlet and a creative space for a host of nerd folk like myself, and to keep that space in existence I make a conscious decision to purchase what I can from them. When they didn’t have a copy of The Killing Joke, I ordered it through them. Did it take longer than three days? Yes. Did I spend more money than if I had ordered it on Amazon? Yes. Did I help put food in the mouth of the awesome owner? Yes. To me, that will forevermore be the difference.

I’ve had the argument thrown at me that Seattle residents should not be so concerned with giving money to Amazon, as it is in fact a local business. That’s right, jerkoff. It’s a local corporation with branch offices, warehouses in multiple states, and international outlets. Buying your Janet Evanovich novel of the month from them is the moral equivalent of buying it from a human being with a name and a family, who runs a shop a few blocks from where you work. Amazon needs the money, you see. The economy’s in a bad way, and Amazon’s not quite sure how it’s going to pay its medical bills next month. It would love to have enough financial stability to someday take the whole Amazon family on a vacation to Vancouver, but right now it is having enough trouble paying off its student loans and providing for its kids, Amazon.co.uk and Amazon.cn. It wouldn’t be having such a hard time if those smug, caviar-drinking small business owners weren’t cutting into their profit margins. #occupymainstreet

Stop buying things from Amazon. Find a local business that will sell you the same item, pay a little extra, and form a relationship with another person. Keep your local storefronts occupied, and keep your neighbors fed. Live in a world where a person can own a small business and make a living, and not be ground into poverty by an impossibly big competitor. If nothing else about this article struck you at all, I would hope this does: be aware of the relationship between your spending habits and their effect on your neighborhood.

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@Vinny_Says said:

Big Businesses are just small businesses that got their act together.

Bingo! (Sorta) Taking out the more evil examples where unscrupulous practices made a successful business this is exactly it. This doesn't really go against any of the OP's points, but there's this general idea that large evil retailers sprung up out of the ground. Every business starts small (even Amazon did) but as they become more competent than their competitors they naturally edge them out. We live in a large connected environment that allows for superior entrepreneurs to become extremely successful, and its a losing battle to doggedly stick to local people who just aren't as good at running a business in most cases.

That being said, there is something to the specific specialty store points the OP brought up, where making good relationships and connections with those people can be fruitful to the consumer.

One other thing, there is a specific example where I have used Amazon when I really shouldn't have. I have bought books online for a few years, completely forgetting my local FREE public library! I read so many books that I don't read that many more than once these days, so I gave myself a smack on the head once I realized what I was doing. I have since wised up. Seriously, use your library, nobody seems to and its crazy.

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If its a local mom 'n' pop shop that isn't out of my way, I don't mind going there and supporting them.

But, I'm not going to go out of my way just to pay more for something when I can get it cheaper online.

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This is an important time for brick and mortar retailers, both big box and independent. These businesses need to figure out a way to get people to come into their stores, while still be able to turn a profit. The ones that figure that out within the next couple years will thrive, the rest will die.

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I find it more depressing often times how intelligent people such as the originator of this thread, have such completely skewed and frankly ridiculous points of view.

How is the local store helping me in turn? I suppose I wouldn't mind supporting local business if it was a mutual relationship, but as I see it I will pay more and wait longer for my items than if I were to order them online. I give more money to the local shop and sacrifice potential savings both monetary and time alike for what? The small talk we will make and smiles we exchange while I'm there? If I'm short on money will they say "don't worry about it bud this one is on me!" I doubt it.

Theres a local bike shop I go to for fixing up and getting work done on my bicycle from time to time. Everything they have is severely overpriced compared to what I can pay for online. They once took 5 days to basically replace a headset and change a tire. I go there because I don't often have the tools or energy to be making some of these modifications myself - but with time I'm starting to think that I'll just spend an extra $50-75 and get all the tools I need to never have to go there again.

There is also a local video game store near my house, not a Gamestop but like an actual private store. There is nothing there that I can't get at Gamestop cheaper.

I just don't see the incentive. Why would I sacrifice myself for the, what, better good of the community? As a matter of fact I refuse. If that is the best the community can offer me, bloated prices and O-K service then that community should crumble. Maybe when the cycle repeats enough times local business in it's 4th or 5th iteration in the neighborhood will figure out how to make a profit and not take a deeper cut out of the communities pockets. Until then I'll order stuff on Amazin and get it the next day for dirt cheap, and save my smile and small talk for people that matter.

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I visit any new store that opens up in my area, and I support the stores I like. But I'm not simply going to shop somewhere I don't care about instead of Amazon if Amazon is significantly cheaper because they're local. It is not an insult to the staff if their prices are not as low as those on Amazon, it's simply something they should consider. The service received at a store is a reason to prefer a location, not just that it's "local." Also:

Buying the Pathfinder Core Rulebook is a $50 proposition, plus sales tax. It’s not a cheap book, but then again it is the only book you’d really need to play the game (past a Monster Manual for the DM; and no YOU DON’T NEED THOSE SPLATBOOKS AAAHHHH). That $50 purchase is a commitment to some, perhaps even more to a cash-strapped high school or college student, but its purchase should be seen as something of a rite of passage. The new gamer is taken to their local Mecca, the gaming shop, walked through the halls of endless supplements and Salvatore novels, and handed their new tome. They learn the shopkeeper’s name, and check the nearby corkboard of index cards for any games starting in the area. It can be this great experience, interacting with people and interfacing with tactile items.

Amazon.com cheapens the experience, literally, by offering the same book for $31.50. They’ll go a step further and ship it to your door in two days if you’re a college student. Imagine the convenience of never having to deal with another human being while you get into a hobby whose main conceit is that you must deal with other human beings. Think of the time you could save not being exposed to other games that you might be more inclined to pick up. Add that to the gas you’ll save when your book shows up in an over-large cardboard box, wrapped in plastic bubble wrap or filled with styrofoam, and you’ve got one hell of a deal.

This is ridiculous and hilarious. Buying the books is not an important "rite of passage," and how you receive the books does not affect your roleplaying experiences. Quit glorifying the way you got into games. It's honestly kind of gross the way you're behaving.

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I don't hate my local businesses, I hate the types of shops they are. There's a couple wine shops right downtown and an exotic pet shop. We kind of don't have any local places that deal in any real consumer items except for the two grocery stores owned by a local guy. Everything bought here is either at Target, Walmart, Costco or Fred Meyer's. We have a bestbuy for electronics and two gamestops. Most the stuff I buy besides groceries is bought online not necessarily at Amazon but usually where ever I can find the best deal.

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@Gonmog said:

Will say that this is what is wrong with us in the US now. We take NO pride in anything we do. Including shopping. We what everything cheap and now. Our cars are built elsewhere cause it makes them a few grand cheaper, our cell phones are built in sweat shops to make them 60 odd bucks cheaper.

Everything cheap and now. We don't want to spend our money to support anyone other then ourselves. And it is biting us in the ass right now. Small stores are closing up, there is no tax money to fix half of the crap that is busted.

50 60 years ago...fuck we where buying bonds. Now...we are trying to cheat our taxes to get the most out of them. Rich and poor a like.

So fuck you all in the US with the cheaper is better mindset. You have fucked us over.

Oh, I didn't realize that it was my job to feed and clothe people outside of my household. Why, this entire time I've been under the assumption that the money I work hard for was mine to spend wherever I want. The people barely making ends meet are to blame for major companies going overseas! They should be spending extra money to support others, rather than saving it for themselves!

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I don't buy games/books/movies/music/coffee in order to fund some kind of community development effort. I buy things I want, and I can seek out any community groups for free on the internet or locally if I wanted to join some kind of club or something (which I don't, for the record). I don't understand this weird attitude of attempting to make people feel guilty for not going out of their way to prop up a failing business. Their success is not my responsibility.

I choose to spend my money where it makes the most sense to do so - ie. lowest cost, convenient, and good customer service. Online, delivered to your door in two/three days is the way of the future present.

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I prefer my local small business game store that gives incredible prices for old (also awesome), used games.

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"borrowing space from the Scum of the Earth Church next door"

Wait...... what?

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Whenever people raise similar arguments about Walmart I remember the times when "independant retailers" charged way more for stuff then it was worth and I suddenly don't give a shit about their complaints.

I feel the same about your story. Firstly, not everything on Amazon is cheaper, and often you can spend more on shipping. Not everyone can afford or even has Amazon prime. However, Amazon has great sells and are very good at keeping customers with quality service. They are also online so they also have convenience on their side.

If this shop you mention was really threatened by Amazon, then they should rethink how they do business. But they aren't the ones complaining, you are. It would be very simple for them to have a internet side store front if they wanted to. It's actually cheaper to start a business online then a physical store. I think the hard part is creating buzz about your store, but people do it everyday.

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I'm sorry, but my country is in economic crisis (thank you rich boy David Cameron), I earn minimum wage and work hard for the little money I have. After paying bills and buying food and taking care of other things, I don't have much money left. So if I do want to buy a game that's £39.99 in GAME but £29.99 on Amazon, or cheaper with free delivery, then which one am I going to go for? Seriously?

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I support my local independant game shop. I have an excellent report with them, and they offer something I can't easily get elsewhere: NES-PS1 era games.

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Will say that this is what is wrong with us in the US now. We take NO pride in anything we do. Including shopping. We what everything cheap and now. Our cars are built elsewhere cause it makes them a few grand cheaper, our cell phones are built in sweat shops to make them 60 odd bucks cheaper.

Everything cheap and now. We don't want to spend our money to support anyone other then ourselves. And it is biting us in the ass right now. Small stores are closing up, there is no tax money to fix half of the crap that is busted.

50 60 years ago...fuck we where buying bonds. Now...we are trying to cheat our taxes to get the most out of them. Rich and poor a like.

So fuck you all in the US with the cheaper is better mindset. You have fucked us over.

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I do agree that the online shopping is a bit much when it is done to look at items in-person while purchasing them online (with TVs). But for a lot of items, it is more of an issue of local stores limiting their overall stock to nothing. There are still independent book / game stores in my area for used (espeically older) stuff, which have been helped by a lot of the larger retailers going under. And local does not have to mean paying more than 50-150% more for something.

And in the case of figurines and all the associated baubles used for those style of games; the prices are usually so extreme and silly for what amounts to less than a penny worth of plastic that I do not have any sympathy over people minimizing their costs.

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The only local business I support is Gamedude. So many video games.

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@McShank said:

@PrivateIronTFU said:

@Jay444111 said:

@Hailinel said:

I live in Seattle. Technically, Amazon is a local business. They're convenient, but I don't shop for everything online.

Wait... there is an actual amazon shop... How is it?

Also I have a video game store that opened a few months ago and it kicks ASS! Great prices on everything and even offers almost new damn old games! Thanks to them I have FF Tactics again! Yay!

No, Amazon basically started in Seattle and has its headquarters in Seattle. So in that instance it's a local business.

And this is why for most of my purchases I get it 1-2 days after ordering as there is a warehouse in seattle and im 30minutes away driving or ferry ride. Live in a small town and i see small buisness everywhere but the problem is they close and reason for that is they always have crap. Game shops close because they never have good games or prices never get cut or book stores close because they never have good books.

Do you live on Bainbridge?

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For starters, I can think of no worse of an insult to a person than to say, in effect, that your livelihood is not worthy enough of a thing for me to spend money in your shop. This is not far removed from wishing them deprivation and hunger, for it is the suggestion that their shop is not a worthwhile place.

Are you fucking serious? You're basically suggesting that my livelihood is not as valuable as their livelihood. If I want to shop at Amazon to save myself money that I earned and time that there is never enough of then why the fuck shouldn't I? Just because I am not a purveyor of a local business doesn't mean that I have to deprive myself of things I want and need just to keep someone else afloat.

Seriously, what the fuck. Get a clue.

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Local businesses need to adapt or die. Nothing that anybody says or does, besides beating Amazon's prices and service, is going to stop people from shopping at Amazon. Its that simple.

Anyone else find it ironic that the entertainment industry is given shit all the time for not being willing to adapt their business models to what consumers want, but Amazon does exactly that and is still given shit? Its like what do you want? Do you want to stick to the old business models or do you want companies to adapt and offer better services?

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Small businesses are at fault for not finding niches in the market that they can exploit to their benefit. Consumers are not at fault for not going to the small business when their only selling point is a 'feel good' experience.

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@PrivateIronTFU said:

@Jay444111 said:

@Hailinel said:

I live in Seattle. Technically, Amazon is a local business. They're convenient, but I don't shop for everything online.

Wait... there is an actual amazon shop... How is it?

Also I have a video game store that opened a few months ago and it kicks ASS! Great prices on everything and even offers almost new damn old games! Thanks to them I have FF Tactics again! Yay!

No, Amazon basically started in Seattle and has its headquarters in Seattle. So in that instance it's a local business.

And this is why for most of my purchases I get it 1-2 days after ordering as there is a warehouse in seattle and im 30minutes away driving or ferry ride. Live in a small town and i see small buisness everywhere but the problem is they close and reason for that is they always have crap. Game shops close because they never have good games or prices never get cut or book stores close because they never have good books.

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Your friend is completely demented trying to defend comicbook shops. Comic book shops destroyed the comic book industry. Comic book used to come mainly from corner stores and were easily available to anyone; in the mid 80s when comic book stores started popping up, the publishers started catering to these new stores by bumping prices and exclusive distribution which lead to where we are today, it's hard to get comics now so nobody gets into it in the first place. I love comics, but fuck comic book stores up the ass.

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local business is easy to say, but who wants half the stuff. Comic may be good example of local store, I don't buy comics or D&D stuff, but I know where the closest one is there just isn't anything I need usually. I love my neighborhood bar, locally owned, almost everyone who comes in lives within 10 miles. The only other local stores I know of either have crap I don't want or stuff I don't need.

I love amazon, I buy shoes, books, movies, games and some clothes online. Their customer service is top shelf so that arguement doesn't work. The range of stuff I can find is almost endless, and most stores are not fun to shop in. Now that I'm older I have no desire to go to a mall and stroll around killing the whole day. I was pleased as hell to do all my christmas shopping last year through amazon and avoided the chaos and madness of malls in december.

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Well the things I buy from amazon are usually video games. I have no "local" video game store, just a Gamestop. I hate Gamestop so I'll keep buying games from Amazon.

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@jeffrud said:

My friend and associate Kevin Knodell just published a piece on the closure of Comic Book Inc. in Tacoma. I will confess to never having gone to the shop in question, mostly from my lack of interest in comic books. However, I look at the closing of any independent business with a pain in my gut.

At one point during my time in Parkland, I went out shopping with a new group of Dungeons & Dragons players to my favorite local business, The Game Matrix in Lakewood. It’s a one-stop shop for everything from Warhammer miniatures pants and LARPing supplies, to family board games and copies of The Dead Gentlemen’s hit film The Gamers II: Dorkness Rising. Their selection is astounding, and they’re willing to order anything they don’t have. I’ve not once had a bad customer experience there, and the folks who come in to play war games and run D&D sessions are polite and informative. They’ve even got a soda machine that sells cans of Mountain Dew for fifty cents. Regardless, one of these new players was looking for a fairly specific miniature, pre-painted if possible. They had a pewter, unpainted version of a tiefling druid-ish mini, but they wanted something like a reasonable price for it. The player’s response to the clerk was, “Well, that’s a little expensive. I think I’ll just order this on Amazon instead.”

This was the moment, friends, where I started to think very seriously about Amazon. It also made me wonder about my friendship with the person in question, but that’s for my therapist.

For starters, I can think of no worse of an insult to a person than to say, in effect, that your livelihood is not worthy enough of a thing for me to spend money in your shop. This is not far removed from wishing them deprivation and hunger, for it is the suggestion that their shop is not a worthwhile place. Without their shop, they’ve lost their job. Granted, one person’s business on a ten dollar item might not be enough to bring down an institution. It would take a spectacular amount of lost sales, by a competitor who could compete at such a volume that they could undercut the meager margins on a ten dollar miniature to make that sale. It would also take a generation or two to become more or less indoctrinated and addicted to the experience provided by this competition, to the point where they begin to base most of their purchasing patterns around the outlet. And that, friends, is why Amazon is terrifying to me.

Buying the Pathfinder Core Rulebook is a $50 proposition, plus sales tax. It’s not a cheap book, but then again it is the only book you’d really need to play the game (past a Monster Manual for the DM; and no YOU DON’T NEED THOSE SPLATBOOKS AAAHHHH). That $50 purchase is a commitment to some, perhaps even more to a cash-strapped high school or college student, but its purchase should be seen as something of a rite of passage. The new gamer is taken to their local Mecca, the gaming shop, walked through the halls of endless supplements and Salvatore novels, and handed their new tome. They learn the shopkeeper’s name, and check the nearby corkboard of index cards for any games starting in the area. It can be this great experience, interacting with people and interfacing with tactile items.

Amazon.com cheapens the experience, literally, by offering the same book for $31.50. They’ll go a step further and ship it to your door in two days if you’re a college student. Imagine the convenience of never having to deal with another human being while you get into a hobby whose main conceit is that you must deal with other human beings. Think of the time you could save not being exposed to other games that you might be more inclined to pick up. Add that to the gas you’ll save when your book shows up in an over-large cardboard box, wrapped in plastic bubble wrap or filled with styrofoam, and you’ve got one hell of a deal.

I'm done reading this. This is probably the most illogical thing I have ever read on Giantbomb, and I frequent religious threads. I don't know if you just need a basic economics class or if you have the weirdest morality compass on the face of the planet. If something tragic has happened to you recently, then I apologize for my brash comments.

Here's why people buy from amazon, as opposed to local business:

Amazon is better.

Implying that people should be blamed or looked down upon for buying a product as cheap as possible is just hilariously backwards. Also, this sense of obligation to help "feed the owners" is just insane. It's literally insane.

I co-own a company that has been in the green since its open in January, and it is in a massively competitive market.. Do you know what we do to eat? We price competitively, and we offer services and products that make us stand out. If someone comes along and beats us, we adapt. We don't mope around thinking, "Oh please we deserve your business because we're not huge."

Your post is a joke or an elaborate troll.

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Any local business that doesn't have an online store seriously needs to get their shit together.

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Get off your high horse. The spending habits or preferences you have may not, and in fact certainly do not, apply to everybody else.

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When I buy something I think about myself and how I can save money as a consumer. Only time I make an exception is when buying games new instead of used but even then I don't know why I do that either.

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My local electronics store is a Fry's. FUCK FRY'S. Home Depot of computers.

I do miss the bookstores though. Half-Price is all that is left. There used to be an awesome store I got games at, but they are long gone.

Local places I tend to support are restaurants anyways.

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Guess what? *maniacal laugh* I also shop at Walmart.

The death of small business has been with us for a couple of decades now. If the rumors of Amazon opening up distribution centers in every state so they can offer same day service nationally are true, then the ones to suffer most won't be the Mom and Pop stores, but large chains like Walmart, Target, Sears, etc...because that's their direct competition. If I can order a TV from Amazon and have it arrive that evening, it saves me the trouble of going to some place like Walmart and dealing with their electronics section help. Convenience is a strong factor when deciding where to purchase an item. This is why we have "drive-thrus"*. Where the customer chooses to do business is their decision and, like it or not, time saving establishments like Walmart and Amazon are going to attract people who aren't interesting in building a personal relationship when buying a box of disposable razor blades or a copy of Moby Dick. Just let me get what I want and get out.

*When I was in college there was a drive-thru liquor store across from campus!

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Amazon is the greatest thing to happen to consumer shopping since forever. While I understand the need to support local businesses, it isn't Amazon that's killing them - it's the big retail stores, outlets and chains. Beside, unless you live in the city, in the city, there aren't any local businesses.

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@rebgav said:

I do hate local business... and I do love Amazon... my "local" bookstore is a B&N, "local" game store is Gamestop and "local" movie store is Target. I think I'll skim your post and then continue buying everything from Amazon.

This. If I had a local video game store or something, I would totally go. I do make a trip once or twice a year downtown to a record store I like. It's the same case of I can get those record online for cheap, but I want to help support a really cool guy and his record store.

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I like independent businesses, I work in one, but I still buy from Amazon for a multitude of reasons; the customer service is the best anywhere (the postman once ruined my books, I told amazon and they still sent me new copies even though it was absolutely no fault of their's), places in my town don't stock things I would really want, and I have a fucking job, I don't have time to be making friends with all the clerks in stores, when shops are open, I am at work.

Obviously I still buy things from locals shops if I have the chance, and it's things that I would actually need to look at - clothes for example - but really, we need to embrace Amazon, not look at it funny like a bunch of luddites.

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You might also want to take into account that not everyone lives in cities/suburban areas where these local businesses such as game stores (both video game and hobby), comic shops, etc exist or at least beyond random thrift stores and farmers markets like where I live. I have to drive almost 30 minutes to go the "local" game store or to my comic shop when I am not at school.

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I live in a tiny town in Missouri, surrounded by a dozen other tiny towns. Pretty much the only place to shop for anything is a Walmart in the two slightly less tiny towns. It's awful, and aside from household items and groceries, there is absolutely nothing available for someone who is into games, tech, or the like. Maybe if I want to buy some nice pot holders that are cheaply made, I'll hit Walmart, but I think I'm pretty damn happy sticking with Amazon for everything I really want.

If nothing else, the local Walmart's are what ate up the local businesses around here.

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local businesses can survive if they do what every other business must do to survive: match the competitors' prices and quality

unfortunately, when these high-cost local businesses die out, large corporations will take advantage of their huge market share to form monopolies and oligopolies, which may destroy any economic benefit from the increased efficiencies through unfairly increased prices

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My Local businesses are Target, Best Buy and Gamestop. You think they are looking for anyone? Or that business owner you talked about? Suddenly you think that you should care about a guy who sells toys to you more than he cares about you? No you see there is one thing that you have to understand in all this. It is just business. It is nothing personal. Once you start getting your feelings involved then they have fucked you over. Times are changing. Lets write more sob stories for others who lost their job because someone did it better and they decided not to change. Also this guys sells toys. Taking advantage of people who don't know better and knows they are wasting their money on shit that makes them useless to the world.

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If they knew what they were doing they'd lower their prices. Hell if they really knew what they're doing, they'd have never done retail in the first place. Terrible idea for a business these days.

Finding a place to live in Toronto is difficult and expensive. If all that retail space was converted into living space, it wouldn't be much of a problem. I think the concept of physical retail is outdated for most things other than food. The space is better used housing people, either to live or as part of a restaurant, bar or other kind of venue. Besides, it would be kinda nice living in a world where all consumer goods are off in warehouses somewhere, it would make our society at least look like it cares for anything but commercialism.

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In terms of comic shops, I buy about $25-$30 worth of single issues from them every week as well as the occasinal trade and bags/boards, etc. I buy the majority of my trades from a website that offers them for almost half off (not Amazon). I still support them because I cant stand going to a Barnes and Noble (the only other alternative for comics). I support local businesses while still getting good deals online. In terms of hobby shops, I believe you should supprt them because they provide a place to play and meet others interested n your hobbies locally even if it just means buying your paint and dice from them.

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Big business is also in the long run better for communities. It creates WAY more jobs than locally owned places could.

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i feel like the big-box stores are the antithesis to the local, while amazon is antagonizing the big-box stores. we lost locally-owned businesses many years ago, my friend.

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It's called business. If you can't compete with the big guys, you die.

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Kinda sad to see some of the responses here. Saving money is always valid, but some of you actually want to avoid human interaction? I'm sorry to hear that.

I'll admit, I don't have any "local" businesses around, but the people at Gamestop know me and I know them, same with the people at Jimmy John's, the cashier at 7/11, and everyone in my bank knows me by name. Could I save more by buying games off Amazon? Sure, but I don't like using my credit card all the time, that stuff is...unnerving to me, and I like the relationships I have formed, even if nothing will come of them.

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@Iron_Tool: The Mall of America is hardly an average mall.

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There's one independent record store a few towns over that I infrequently get to go to because it's about half an hour away, when I get the chance to go, I'll go over there to buy my music for sure. There's something about being able to browse around and find new stuff to listen to or albums and bands that you sometimes forget about. It's also nice to talk to others about music that you enjoy. They also have a store close to my college but I still don't get to frequent it as often.

If I was able to go there more often I would likely not buy a lot from Amazon except for special editions of albums or albums that were ridiculously cheap, but then I could likely get those special/collector's editions straight from the band's webstore itself.

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The only local businesses I support are independent restaurants. You couldn't pay me to eat a chain restaurant, and I haven't been to a drive thru since the nineties.

When it comes to retail, however, local business is virtually nonexistent, and stores like GameStop and Wal-Mart deserve to die (and I hope they burn in hell, for that matter).

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Get ripped off in small local stores or shop online. It's a hard decision!!!

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@Hizang said:

I don't really care about forming relationships with people in the store, I'd rather buy things from Amazon thanks.

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I can't remember the last time I went into a store that wasn't a grocery store, if there was a way to order food to your door I would do it, dealing with people is such a fucking hassle and annoying.

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"Don't buy fruit from the supermarket, form a relationship with your neighbor and buy it from their backyard. Who cares if tomatoes are 5x the price, keep local business alive!" 
 
"Don't buy games from Steam at 1/4 the price with unlimited downloads straight to your computer, get into your car and drive to your local games shop to pay full price for a disc instead. Support small business!" 
 
"But if we switch to wax, what will the whale fishermen do for a living if we no longer need their whale oil?"
 
Business is business, not charity or elementary school. If  someone is getting outcompeted it means they're not doing something as good as someone else, and the customer should go with the superior option. They probably outcompeted some businesses in their day, and now they're being outcompeted as the cycle of business innovation continues.
 
Who you personally want to buy from is your decision but to say that customers as a whole should shift from cheaper, more efficient and more convenient options in order to provide life support to outdated business models is just puerile.