@Brodehouse said:
@JoeShadows said:
@Brodehouse: So, your argument is that people who don't have direct experience with something are just as qualified to speak on it as people who do have direct experience with it, because they can deduce everything that's relevant from pure logic? It's good to know that Aristotlean philosophy is alive and well- tell me, how many platonic solids make up the spheres of the heavens these days?
The 'direct experience' thing is an appeal to authority, rather than an examination of the actual argument made. If the argument made is ignorant, you should be able to point it out within the argument itself, rather than make an appeal to authority and ignore the argument altogether.
And your Greek reference is just a red herring.
This isn't high level stuff here, this is the core things you would learn in a basic course on logic. And I think anyone who marks off logic as being the principal factor of the objective quality of an argument has abandoned reason and rationality.
It isn't a red herring- in fact, it is entirely appropriate. You're attempting to use a smoke screen of logic- couched in as pretentious and pedantic language as possible- in order to support an illogical argument. Specifically, that as a supposedly reasoned thinker, you're more qualified to say what a person should feel about something than the person who is actually experiencing the issue at hand, and that therefore you shouldn't have to listen to or give credence to what they're feeling and actually listening to their experience. Thus, you're falling victim to the Greek mistake which ultimately derailed western philosophy for hundreds of years- the idea that, from within a cave, with only a single leaf in your hand, you should, from that leaf, be able to postulate the entire universe.
Common sense tells us that such an idea is complete bullshit, but when couched in enough broken philosophy and logical fallacies, people found it most compelling- especially since, in that instance, it allowed them to perpetuate a social order which was convenient to them. And, if you are such a well-learned student of philosophy, you should know exactly what I'm talking about.
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