Ramblings 2: What is Black Metal?

Black Metal. Arguably the most sub, sub-genre and the most sub of all "main" genres: Heavy Metal. Black Metal is quickly becoming my favourite genre of music. 
 
Right now 3 of my favourite bands reside within the confines of this genre (Wodensthrone, Drudkh and Wolves in The Throne Room) plus a litany of other bands that I personally class as some of the best I've ever heard. EVER! I'm serious here to me, to my ears, Drudkh's debut LP 'Forgotten Legends' stands up there with Led Zeppelin IV and Black Sabbath's Paranoid is terms of sheer musical brilliance. Black Metal band Enslaved are quickly becoming the heir's to Pink Floyd's throne and Darkthrone are one of the most punk bands currently producing music. 
 
How the fuck did this happen?! I always thought Black Metal was what Immortal did in their videos.... ya kno.... stupid! But today as I was in the gym listening to Diadem of 12 Stars by Wolves In The Throne Room it struck me that I wasn't doing a manly thing like kicking a heavy bag or lifting something heavy and stuff... I was lost in the music. There is something about this genre that scratches every itch I have. If I'm pissed off I have Anaal Nathrakh. You want to zone out? I have Alcest or Enslaved for that. Want to feel all patriotic and stuff I pop on Wodensthrone, or Winterfylleth or Forefather! Want to hear something full of sorrow and passion? Ireland's Primordial have you covered there. Wanna punk out? Venom! Darkthrone! (early) Bathory! Wanna have your mind blown by crazy mind blowing melodies and proggy licks? Taake!  Arckanum! Woe! 
 
It's crazy to me that so many attitudes, philosophies and sounds are all found within this extremely niche genre to the point where I feel I could do away with all music that does not fit here and still feel musically fulfilled. Hell even 'I' and channelling Motorhead and Black Sabbath! If you want to find a band that reflects your tastes or outlook on life, chances are they'll be one within Black Metal:
Misanthrope: Anaal Nathrakh.   
Optimist: Alcest.
Self Harmer: Shining.  
Satanist: Gorogoroth.  
Christian: Horde.  
Patriot: Wodensthrone/Primordial et al 
Drug Addict: Blut Aus Nord  
Nursery Rhymes: Ulver
Prog Head: Enslaved 
Nazi Scum Bag: Fuck right off but you can find plenty of nazi or NSBM bands too.... unfortunately.
Folk fan: Drudkh    
Drone fan: (new) Mayhem 
Rock Fan: I
Monty Python fan:  The Meads of Asphodel 
Shit music fan: Dimmu Borgir
 
Here's the thing about this genre. ANYTHING is welcome! It's all about rebellion at heart and the latest batch of bands over the last 10 years or so have spent their time REBELLING AGAINST WHAT BLACK METAL MEANS! Have you ever heard of this in any other genre? Band's intentionally going in a direction that the KNOW will alienate fans because they only care about their own opinion? Many bands have a attitude of "fuck the fans!" THIS IS A GOD SEND! True artists do not care about what anyone thinks of their art. Not the label, and certainly not the general public. True Black Metal* is True Art. You may hate it, but these bands could not care less, because they produce art and art by definition has to be self serving. Black Metal is the realm of true art. Music for music's sake and nothing more. It also happens to be the most diverse and rich genre in existence today.  
 
Black Metal is ugly, beautiful, good and evil. It's a sledgehammer and a rapier. It's an embrace and it's a kick in the teeth. 
 
I love Black Metal. You should too. 
 
* Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir do not fall into this category. Because they are fucking atrocious.

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Posted by King_Bonzo

Black Metal. Arguably the most sub, sub-genre and the most sub of all "main" genres: Heavy Metal. Black Metal is quickly becoming my favourite genre of music. 
 
Right now 3 of my favourite bands reside within the confines of this genre (Wodensthrone, Drudkh and Wolves in The Throne Room) plus a litany of other bands that I personally class as some of the best I've ever heard. EVER! I'm serious here to me, to my ears, Drudkh's debut LP 'Forgotten Legends' stands up there with Led Zeppelin IV and Black Sabbath's Paranoid is terms of sheer musical brilliance. Black Metal band Enslaved are quickly becoming the heir's to Pink Floyd's throne and Darkthrone are one of the most punk bands currently producing music. 
 
How the fuck did this happen?! I always thought Black Metal was what Immortal did in their videos.... ya kno.... stupid! But today as I was in the gym listening to Diadem of 12 Stars by Wolves In The Throne Room it struck me that I wasn't doing a manly thing like kicking a heavy bag or lifting something heavy and stuff... I was lost in the music. There is something about this genre that scratches every itch I have. If I'm pissed off I have Anaal Nathrakh. You want to zone out? I have Alcest or Enslaved for that. Want to feel all patriotic and stuff I pop on Wodensthrone, or Winterfylleth or Forefather! Want to hear something full of sorrow and passion? Ireland's Primordial have you covered there. Wanna punk out? Venom! Darkthrone! (early) Bathory! Wanna have your mind blown by crazy mind blowing melodies and proggy licks? Taake!  Arckanum! Woe! 
 
It's crazy to me that so many attitudes, philosophies and sounds are all found within this extremely niche genre to the point where I feel I could do away with all music that does not fit here and still feel musically fulfilled. Hell even 'I' and channelling Motorhead and Black Sabbath! If you want to find a band that reflects your tastes or outlook on life, chances are they'll be one within Black Metal:
Misanthrope: Anaal Nathrakh.   
Optimist: Alcest.
Self Harmer: Shining.  
Satanist: Gorogoroth.  
Christian: Horde.  
Patriot: Wodensthrone/Primordial et al 
Drug Addict: Blut Aus Nord  
Nursery Rhymes: Ulver
Prog Head: Enslaved 
Nazi Scum Bag: Fuck right off but you can find plenty of nazi or NSBM bands too.... unfortunately.
Folk fan: Drudkh    
Drone fan: (new) Mayhem 
Rock Fan: I
Monty Python fan:  The Meads of Asphodel 
Shit music fan: Dimmu Borgir
 
Here's the thing about this genre. ANYTHING is welcome! It's all about rebellion at heart and the latest batch of bands over the last 10 years or so have spent their time REBELLING AGAINST WHAT BLACK METAL MEANS! Have you ever heard of this in any other genre? Band's intentionally going in a direction that the KNOW will alienate fans because they only care about their own opinion? Many bands have a attitude of "fuck the fans!" THIS IS A GOD SEND! True artists do not care about what anyone thinks of their art. Not the label, and certainly not the general public. True Black Metal* is True Art. You may hate it, but these bands could not care less, because they produce art and art by definition has to be self serving. Black Metal is the realm of true art. Music for music's sake and nothing more. It also happens to be the most diverse and rich genre in existence today.  
 
Black Metal is ugly, beautiful, good and evil. It's a sledgehammer and a rapier. It's an embrace and it's a kick in the teeth. 
 
I love Black Metal. You should too. 
 
* Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir do not fall into this category. Because they are fucking atrocious.

Posted by BBQBram

In my mind Ulver defined the sound and then transcended the genre. It's kind of a paradox that you praise this genre for not giving a fuck about the definitions of it's genre.

Edited by King_Bonzo
@BBQBram:  
I agree it's a bit of a paradox, but that's also kinda why I love it. 
 
Also I'm with you on Ulver, can't say I went in for their later stuff but the first and third LPs are masterpieces which ever way you cut it.
Posted by Animasta

black metal was cool when I was like 15. The only band I could probably listen to now would be Agolloch, but that's because they did a bunch of acoustic stuff which is far superior

Posted by King_Bonzo
@Laketown:  
 
I totally missed Agalloch. Although I think it demonstrates the strengths of the genre that two comments have both brought up two more musically diverse bands linked to Black Metal. 
Posted by AlexW00d
@Laketown said:
" black metal was cool when I was like 15. The only band I could probably listen to now would be Agolloch, but that's because they did a bunch of acoustic stuff which is far superior "
Black Metal has never been cool, it's never tried to be cool. 
 
I am a huge fan of black metal so this blog/thread is a welcome change to the few music threads we get.
Posted by countinhallways

Dude, you just name checked some seriously good bands. I like it.  You ever listen to Liturgy or Krallice? Great bands.  I am really liking alot of the US black metal like that these days. Less about being dark, more about being kind of transcendental, hypnotic. Real interesting stuff. 
 
Also you should check out Amesoeurs album (self-titled). It is the dude from Alcest in a band with a female singer. Not really black metal, but really unique sound that works well. Like Joy Division mixed with some sort of shoegaze black metal. 
 
Fuck. I hate myself for using so many genre names. Unfortunately I don't know how else to describe a bands sound. Anyway. Good post.

Posted by glorious_leader

I like black metal on occasion.  I have Below the Lights and Maurdraum: Beyond the Within, both by Enslaved on my mp3 player.  I've also heard some people classify Melechesh as black metal, and that's another one I like.  But really, I'm more of a thrash metal kind of guy.  GWAR, Bolt Thrower, that kind of stuff.  To me, the genre of black metal takes itself too seriously.  The bands spend too much time trying to be "brutal", and too little time writing good music.

Posted by countinhallways
@glorious_leader said:
" I like black metal on occasion.  I have Below the Lights and Maurdraum: Beyond the Within, both by Enslaved on my mp3 player.  I've also heard some people classify Melechesh as black metal, and that's another one I like.  But really, I'm more of a thrash metal kind of guy.  GWAR, Bolt Thrower, that kind of stuff.  To me, the genre of black metal takes itself too seriously.  The bands spend too much time trying to be "brutal", and too little time writing good music. "
Melechesh. Man,  I had forgotten all about them. Them and ABSU with their "mythological occult metal". Both amazing bands.
Posted by King_Bonzo
@countinhallways:  
Yeah Liturgy last album was, I thought, incredible. I heard some rumours they were taking the piss with it :S but if they were it still sounded awesome lol. I've heard of Krallice but never heard, shall check out soon. Same goes for   Amesoeurs, thanks for the recommendations :)
Posted by King_Bonzo
@glorious_leader:  
erm I'd say you maybe coming across the ultra elite bands which do seem to be a bit too "troo kvlt" which is ok if they make good music. Check out a few of the bands I list I'd only class Anaal Nathrakh and Gorgoroth as trying to be brutal. Also aside from Gorgoroth no corpse paint on any of them! which is always nice. The Meads... also for example are fucking hilarious. And they know it and intend to be, they're lastest The Murder of Jesus The Jew is like a pantomime I love it.
Edited by glorious_leader
@King_Bonzo: Yeah.  You're totally correct.  When you go out and actively look for new bands you tend to get pulled towards the extremes of each genre.  As such, the only black metal I usually come up with when searching for new stuff is Mayhem, Gorgoroth, Burzum, and a million bands with album production values so shit quality that their music is nothing but static with an overlay of monotonous vocals.  I can always appreciate a band with a sense of humour, so I'll definitely look into The Meads.  

@countinhallways: I agree that they're pretty awesome.  Though I do kind of dislike how so many of their songs have those way too long rhythm repetition parts.  But in terms of their skill and sound, they're a very awesome band. 
Edited by countinhallways
@glorious_leader: 
 I agree on that point for sure. But I must say, I was lucky enough to see ABSU live a while back, and in the live environment, I completely "got" those sections. When it is real loud and in your face like that, and the whole room is vibrating, those parts are some of the most impressive. Very powerful. 
 
 So on record I do occasionally find those parts a bit much, but I understand why they are there. And they can definitely serve a great purpose.
Posted by KennyPowers
@King_Bonzo: How can you say Cradle of Filth are atrocious?  Unless you're just trying to be different and dislike one of the more popular bands for the hell of it.  They have much better arrangements than almost all of the bands you listed and seem to be fitting with all the things you mention as liking about metal.
Posted by Sepultallica86

i really love emperor

Posted by BBQBram

Now I will namedrop Burzum and watch the morality issues pile on.
 
Great tunes, but he shot a guy and burnt a church. Also, tunes not that great except for some ambient tracks.

Posted by Hansolol
@King_Bonzo said:

Here's the thing about this genre. ANYTHING is welcome!
Sure, in the sense that no one can force you to make music a certain way.  And that you can technically put the label "black metal" on anything you want, release it, and have it referred to as black metal.  But, in my opinion, there are very few bands making music that I would consider to be black metal these days. 
Edited by King_Bonzo
@KennyPowers:  
You're wrong. Flat out wrong. Cradle of Filth are what 13 year olds listen to when they want to rebel against their parents. They're not artists they're entertainers. Like DB they produce music to a template that's been proven to sell. COF are a product and an incredibly shoddy one at that. 
 
@Sepultallica86 
Emperor are an institution :) I love In The Nightside Eclipse intensely.  

Edited by glorious_leader
@countinhallways: Yeah, no doubt.  Some songs are totally different when you see them live than when you hear them on an album.  Lots of bands seem to pay mind to the idea of directing how aggressive the crowd is in live performances when writing their music.  The best example of this that I can recall was when I saw Cannibal Corpse live.  Outdoors in a parking lot with a stage on it, so it was just one giant mosh pit, no seats or anything.  There were about three moderately sized rings of death, all seperate from each other. But when they closed their set with Hammer Smashed Face, all three of those rings expanded out in a moment's notice, essentially turning the whole pit into one open brawl.  Yet in all the chaos, the whole crowd's aggression kept fluxuating with the song's pacing.  
 
In summary, hearing an album is one thing.  But hearing it performed live is a whole new experience.
 
Edit:  I didn't think Cradle of Filth even presented themselves as black metal.  Isn't it generally agreed that they're goth metal?
Posted by keyhunter

Y'all can probably tell I like black metal by my picture to the left of this text. But honestly, mostly because it's a hilarious joke to me.
When I actually want to listen to something not for the purpose of laughing at it, I listen to viking metal and melodic death metal. Maybe even some symphonic metal?
Black metal usually comes across as amateurish and is often very very badly produced, with few exceptions such as Ragnarok to the left of this text here.

Posted by Kibblez

Everytime I listen to black metal stuff I just find it kinda funny. I get why people like it, but I can never take it seriously.

Posted by Vinny_Says

Is Candlemass & Gorgoroth Black Metal?

Posted by ThePhantomnaut

The ladder is. 
 
I enjoy some Wolves In The Throne Room. I can see the environmentalist view on Altar of Plagues. There is also Gallhammer which is both fucking dirty and Japanese.

Posted by iam3green

never got into black metal. i have to say that to me all metal are the same. to me it's just heavy metal. i guess people tell me that i listen to a lot of nu-metal. i just call it heavy metal.

Posted by Grimskallinj

Great stuff, black metal fans on giantbomb! 
Good bands on your list, thumbs up!

Edited by ThePhantomnaut

Just reminded myself that Alex Navarro listens to some black metal (or extreme metal generally), he went to the 1349 and Tryptikon show in SF a while back. Fucking awesome.

Posted by King_Bonzo
@ThePhantomnaut:  
Could never get into the Hellhammer/CF/Tryptikon sound personally. It always seems to just plod to me. I'd say Celtic Frost is possibly the most overated band in metal... *cue backlash*
Posted by ThePhantomnaut
@King_Bonzo said:
" @ThePhantomnaut:  Could never get into the Hellhammer/CF/Tryptikon sound personally. It always seems to just plod to me. I'd say Celtic Frost is possibly the most overated band in metal... *cue backlash* "
But Cherry Orchards is so catchy. ;P But seriously that's fine. 
 
I don't really know if you can really consider Burzum's Fallen black metal but I have been having that in my playlist for a while! I can't wait for Altar of Plague's latest album. They released a portion of their first song and have been liking that.
Posted by King_Bonzo
@ThePhantomnaut:  
 
Like me some Altar of Plagues. I love this Hvis... era Burzum inspired BM that cropped up with Winterfylleth, Wodensthrone, Wolves In The Throne Room, Liturgy etc. Totally love that minimal atmospheric style of playing. Speaking of Liturgy picked up their last LP (I won't attempt to name it cus I'll misspell it without fail) on vinyl this weekend :) joke or not they make good music.
Posted by Tordah

Excellent post. Finally someone who knows there are so much more to black metal than the (in)famous bands you always hear of.  
 
A lot of the black metal bands I find myself listening to the most are definitely of the more progressive and experimental side of black metal (Negative Plane, ...And Oceans, Code, Arcturus, Mirrorthrone, Oranssi Pazuzu, etc). Like you said, there's a band for pretty much every mood and feeling.  
 
Here are some other bands that fill a very specific sound or feeling: 
 
Post-punk: Lifelover  
Post-rock: Altar Of Plagues, Líam
Lord of the Rings-nerds: Summoning (Everyone needs to hear this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcZjVX9snHA )
Space is awesome: Darkspace, Limbonic Art
Clasically influenced: Mirrorthrone, Pensées Nocturnes  
Electronica influenced: (newer) ...And Oceans 
Nihilism: Forgotten Tomb 
Psychedelic: A Forest Of Stars, Oranssi Pazuzu 
Japanese crazyness: Sigh 
Avant-garde and orchestral: Le Grand Guignol, Unexpect 
 
I could go on all day!

Posted by ThePhantomnaut
@King_Bonzo said:
" @ThePhantomnaut:   Like me some Altar of Plagues. I love this Hvis... era Burzum inspired BM that cropped up with Winterfylleth, Wodensthrone, Wolves In The Throne Room, Liturgy etc. Totally love that minimal atmospheric style of playing. Speaking of Liturgy picked up their last LP (I won't attempt to name it cus I'll misspell it without fail) on vinyl this weekend :) joke or not they make good music. "
I like Renihilation. Aesthetica (their upcoming shit) sounds weird to speak at first but it's just an added "a." :P 
 
I am torn about the issue about some bands trying to combine black metal and a more punk edge into it. Not like modern Darkthrone-esque stuff, but closer to "let's go to Kurt Ballou's studio and record out interpretation of the blackest of metalz." I can see that a lot in Kvelertak and Haust. They have the idea and they generally sound fine but seems to be a bit conflicting with trying to be rock and roll while being grim and shit. 
 
There is also the thing with France. At first I really hated Alcest but the latest album was one of my favorite albums last year. I was then on a spree listening to other stuff Neige was part or had some relation to. Celeste was on my playlist as well (hell all their albums are legally free). I wouldn't consider them black metal per se but they sure do put some terrifying riffs in their doom/metalcore sound.
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Posted by Tordah
@ThePhantomnaut: France does have a fantastic black metal scene. So many creative bands out there doing their own thing; Belenos, Deathspell Omega, Mystic Forest, Blut Aus Nord, etc.  

I'm also a big fan of Alcest and most of the projects that Neige has been a part of. You should check out the first Peste Noire album if you haven't (their other albums are kinda terrible in comparison).
Edited by PatriotsAreGod

  @King_Bonzo said:

 I love Black Metal. You should too.

No, I should not.
 
Black Metal began as an inner circle of retarded Norwegian racists who were becoming pissy with Christianity while embracing their outcast lifestyle. Not to mention the genre has the least talented musicians in metal.
 
Black metal was never supposed to have an audience. Too bad it did anyway.

  
 
Over there in Norway, the churches all burn down
Let's go dress in goth clothes and get painted like a clown
Awesome leather armbands with spikes like two feet long
Hair is parted down the middle, frowning like a frog

In league with the devil, talking Satan, skulls and hell
Making mommy mad, cause that's original
If you hate good music, then it can't hurt to go
Image-conscious assholes, black metal fashion show

I hope that you get hit by a bus. Why?
Black metal sucks
Careful not to smear your makeup
You suck
goth clothes and frowns, just like we discussed
Black metal sucks
Auuuuuuuuuugh What?
You suck

Blacke Foryst of Despayr, taking photos of the band
Put 'em up on myspace you're the envy of the land
Posing with a battleaxe and grimacing with hate
When you're done with this, figure skating at the lake

The music is best, it's got the hardest metal sound
Quickly riffing on one note is certain to astound
Dimly echoed drumming and some goat heads to distract
From the terrible screeching that you pass off as your act

I wish your black clothes would combust. Why?
Black metal sucks
You know what dude, you look like a schmuck
You suck
Singer sounds like a wounded duck
Black metal sucks
I'd rather listen to... us
You suck

You know how I know you look like a fool?
Lich King rules
We're the best band and we're super cool
We rule
Straight from the 80's and we're old school
Lich King rules
Running out of rhymes, so wading pool
Thrash is the rule
 
 
Yeah, not very talented either but they speak the truth.
Edited by King_Bonzo
@PatriotsAreGod said:  
No, I should not. 
 
Black Metal began as an inner circle of retarded Norwegian racists who were becoming pissy with Christianity while embracing their outcast lifestyle. Not to mention the genre has the least talented musicians in metal. 
 
  
Black Metal began in England with Venom, Switzerland with Hell Hammer and Sweden with Bathory. Do some homework buddy :) 
 
The least talented remark is purely subjective of course. But you're still wrong.
Posted by King_Bonzo
@Tordah said:
" @ThePhantomnaut: France does have a fantastic black metal scene. So many creative bands out there doing their own thing; Belenos, Deathspell Omega, Mystic Forest, Blut Aus Nord, etc. "  
 
You could easily argue for Blut Aus Nord as being the most talented band, not just in metal, but period, working today. DsO also as leagues ahead of the competition in terms of scope but their song writing falls a little for me.
Posted by HandsomeDead

This is true black metal: 
 
  

Edited by PatriotsAreGod
@King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod said:  
No, I should not. 
 
Black Metal began as an inner circle of retarded Norwegian racists who were becoming pissy with Christianity while embracing their outcast lifestyle. Not to mention the genre has the least talented musicians in metal. 
   Black Metal began in England with Venom, Switzerland with Hell Hammer and Sweden with Bathory. Do some homework buddy :)  The least talented remark is purely subjective of course. But you're still wrong. "

Those were more thrash than BM, especially Venom. It wasn't an actual genre until Norway. Learn to listen to the music better, genius.
 
  
  
If you think this is BM, you don't know anything.
Edited by King_Bonzo
@PatriotsAreGod said:

" @King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod said:  
No, I should not. 
 
Black Metal began as an inner circle of retarded Norwegian racists who were becoming pissy with Christianity while embracing their outcast lifestyle. Not to mention the genre has the least talented musicians in metal. 
   Black Metal began in England with Venom, Switzerland with Hell Hammer and Sweden with Bathory. Do some homework buddy :)  The least talented remark is purely subjective of course. But you're still wrong. "

Those were more thrash than BM, especially Venom. It wasn't an actual genre until Norway. Learn to listen, genius. "
You're wrong. 
 
There is a reason Darkthrone and Mayhem and Burzum are refered to as the 2nd wave of black metal. It's because Venom, Hell Hammer and Bathory were in the first. Besides read the blog again I mention the variety within black metal and yes early Black Metal does sound like a faster more extreme version of thrash but then so does early Death Metal. Seven Churches and Altars of Madness share much with the thrash sound. 
 
Besides your main gripes seems to be with the philosophy which was completely present in the first wave, and supposed racism which has only really been voiced by Varg Vikernes and then was never transferred to his music.
 
Learn to read, listen, comprehend and learn.
Edited by PatriotsAreGod
@King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod said:

" @King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod said:  
No, I should not. 
 
Black Metal began as an inner circle of retarded Norwegian racists who were becoming pissy with Christianity while embracing their outcast lifestyle. Not to mention the genre has the least talented musicians in metal. 
   Black Metal began in England with Venom, Switzerland with Hell Hammer and Sweden with Bathory. Do some homework buddy :)  The least talented remark is purely subjective of course. But you're still wrong. "

Those were more thrash than BM, especially Venom. It wasn't an actual genre until Norway. Learn to listen, genius. "
You're wrong.  There is a reason Darkthrone and Mayhem and Burzum are refered to as the 2nd wave of black metal. It's because Venom, Hell Hammer and Bathory were in the first. Besides read the blog again I mention the variety within black metal and yes early Black Metal does sound like a faster more extreme version of thrash but then so does early Death Metal. Seven Churches and Altars of Madness share much with the thrash sound.  Besides your main gripes seems to be with the philosophy which was completely present in the first wave, and supposed racism which has only really been voiced by Varg Vikernes and then was never transferred to his music. Learn to read, listen, comprehend and learn. "
Look who knows how to use wikipedia.  I bet ur kewl for ur uber metal knowledge.
 
I can too:
 
 During the 1980s, a few
thrash metal bands formed a prototype for black metal. This so-called "first wave" included bands such as Venom, Bathory, Hellhammer, Celtic Frost and Sarcófago. A "second wave" arose in the early 1990s, spearheaded by Norwegian bands such as Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone, Immortal and Emperor. This scene developed the black metal style into a distinct genre.  
Edited by King_Bonzo
@PatriotsAreGod: Actually not at all that was off the top of my head.  
 
Seriously though you must have some massive internet balls now! well done for quoting a site that is largely known for massive inaccuracy. 
 
Learn to be smart!
Edited by PatriotsAreGod
@King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod: Actually not at all that was off the top of my head.   Seriously though you must have some massive internet balls now! well done for quoting a site that is largely known for massive inaccuracy.  Learn to be smart! "

Yeah, and you sure nipped that one in the bud.
 
You better go wash off your face paint now.
 
And find an actual singer, too.
Posted by King_Bonzo
@PatriotsAreGod:  
 
Yeah I guess I better!.... 
 
You know you can always tell when someone's argument has collapsed in on itself when they resort to unfounded child like taunts.
Posted by IceOrb

Out of curiosity why is Dimmu Borgir considered shit music? 
 
I haven't listened to them in a loooooong fucking time but what I remember of them didn't immediately make me think "ugh shit music".

Edited by PatriotsAreGod
@King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod:   Yeah I guess I better!....  You know you can always tell when someone's argument has collapsed in on itself when they resort to unfounded child like taunts. "

Uh-huh.
 
Or you can tell when someone's argument has collapsed when they write off wiki as unreliable. It goes both ways, chief.
 
Maybe this topic should be for people who know the difference between thrash and actual BM? That would be nice.
Edited by King_Bonzo
@IceOrb said:

" Out of curiosity why is Dimmu Borgir considered shit music?  I haven't listened to them in a loooooong fucking time but what I remember of them didn't immediately make me think "ugh shit music". "

It's a totally subjective thing but generally I've found those who listen to the more "underground" black metal bands like Drudkh, Burzum, Deathspell Omega etc despise Dimmu for musically diluting their sound for commercial gain i.e. selling out. Personally I just found Dimmu to be kind boring and vastly overated, and I do what I always do when I feel a band is overrated; I call them shit lol. 
 
CoF on the other hand are provably shit. Scientists proved it in 2001. Seriously.
Edited by PatriotsAreGod
@King_Bonzo said:

" @KennyPowers:  
You're wrong. Flat out wrong. Cradle of Filth are what 13 year olds listen to when they want to rebel against their parents. They're not artists they're entertainers. Like DB they produce music to a template that's been proven to sell. COF are a product and an incredibly shoddy one at that.

And BM is what idiots who need to feel like they are part of a special kvlt listen to.  But you also said taste is subjective. So why are you calling Kenny's wrong?
 
LOL at you calling some of these bands artists while others entertainers. Hello pot, meet kettle. What a fucking hypocrite.
 
When did you start listening to music, last year?
Posted by King_Bonzo
@PatriotsAreGod said:
" @King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod:   Yeah I guess I better!....  You know you can always tell when someone's argument has collapsed in on itself when they resort to unfounded child like taunts. "

Uh-huh.  Or you can tell when someone's argument has collapsed when they write off wiki as unreliable. It goes both ways, chief.  Maybe this topic should be for people who know the difference between thrash and actual BM? That would be nice. "  
 
Wiki is generally considered at large by those of us with brains to be exceedingly unreliable. 
 
The main difference initially between thrash and BM was BM has a satanic/pagan philosophy, shrieked or screamed vocals and a faster pace with a reliance on tremolo picking in the riffs. 
 
Today BM and Thrash metal could not be more different as BM has evolved. Go and listen to a song by Evile and then one by Blut Aus Nord and come back and maybe you can tell us the difference.
Posted by PatriotsAreGod

Oh, BTW, Bathory is considered to be more viking metal. So you can take them off of your kvlt BM list as well.

Posted by Pibo47

I like avenged sevenfold...and tech n9ne..does that count? hahaha

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