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Ramblings 2: What is Black Metal?

By King_Bonzo January 26, 2011 82 Comments

Black Metal. Arguably the most sub, sub-genre and the most sub of all "main" genres: Heavy Metal. Black Metal is quickly becoming my favourite genre of music.

Right now 3 of my favourite bands reside within the confines of this genre (Wodensthrone, Drudkh and Wolves in The Throne Room) plus a litany of other bands that I personally class as some of the best I've ever heard. EVER! I'm serious here to me, to my ears, Drudkh's debut LP 'Forgotten Legends' stands up there with Led Zeppelin IV and Black Sabbath's Paranoid is terms of sheer musical brilliance. Black Metal band Enslaved are quickly becoming the heir's to Pink Floyd's throne and Darkthrone are one of the most punk bands currently producing music.

How the fuck did this happen?! I always thought Black Metal was what Immortal did in their videos.... ya kno.... stupid! But today as I was in the gym listening to Diadem of 12 Stars by Wolves In The Throne Room it struck me that I wasn't doing a manly thing like kicking a heavy bag or lifting something heavy and stuff... I was lost in the music. There is something about this genre that scratches every itch I have. If I'm pissed off I have Anaal Nathrakh. You want to zone out? I have Alcest or Enslaved for that. Want to feel all patriotic and stuff I pop on Wodensthrone, or Winterfylleth or Forefather! Want to hear something full of sorrow and passion? Ireland's Primordial have you covered there. Wanna punk out? Venom! Darkthrone! (early) Bathory! Wanna have your mind blown by crazy mind blowing melodies and proggy licks? Taake!  Arckanum! Woe!

It's crazy to me that so many attitudes, philosophies and sounds are all found within this extremely niche genre to the point where I feel I could do away with all music that does not fit here and still feel musically fulfilled. Hell even 'I' and channelling Motorhead and Black Sabbath! If you want to find a band that reflects your tastes or outlook on life, chances are they'll be one within Black Metal:
Misanthrope: Anaal Nathrakh.
Optimist: Alcest.
Self Harmer: Shining.
Satanist: Gorogoroth.
Christian: Horde.
Patriot: Wodensthrone/Primordial et al
Drug Addict: Blut Aus Nord
Nursery Rhymes: Ulver
Prog Head: Enslaved
Nazi Scum Bag: Fuck right off but you can find plenty of nazi or NSBM bands too.... unfortunately.
Folk fan: Drudkh
Drone fan: (new) Mayhem
Rock Fan: I
Monty Python fan:  The Meads of Asphodel
Shit music fan: Dimmu Borgir

Here's the thing about this genre. ANYTHING is welcome! It's all about rebellion at heart and the latest batch of bands over the last 10 years or so have spent their time REBELLING AGAINST WHAT BLACK METAL MEANS! Have you ever heard of this in any other genre? Band's intentionally going in a direction that the KNOW will alienate fans because they only care about their own opinion? Many bands have a attitude of "fuck the fans!" THIS IS A GOD SEND! True artists do not care about what anyone thinks of their art. Not the label, and certainly not the general public. True Black Metal* is True Art. You may hate it, but these bands could not care less, because they produce art and art by definition has to be self serving. Black Metal is the realm of true art. Music for music's sake and nothing more. It also happens to be the most diverse and rich genre in existence today.

Black Metal is ugly, beautiful, good and evil. It's a sledgehammer and a rapier. It's an embrace and it's a kick in the teeth.

I love Black Metal. You should too.

* Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir do not fall into this category. Because they are fucking atrocious.

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I'm glad Ulver has been mentioned as their first albums are basically what defines Black Metal in my opinion.

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@King_Bonzo said:

I would't say you need to be Just black metal to belong to the group.

Well that's not very true or sincere, is it?

Right, you're ignoring me, especially since your shit barrel is starting to overflow.

@King_Bonzo

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"For example Anaal Nathrakh are almost as much a Grind band as they are Black Metal, but imo that doesn't exclude them from either grouping if you follow me. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaal_Nathrakh

Spoken like true accuracy. Oh, shit...I forgot wiki is full of misinformation. Contradicted again. Damn you.

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I had to stop reading (will continue in a second) when you mentioned "Wolves in the throne room" That is easily my favorite black metal band and "Two Hunters," is probably my favorite metal album.

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@MrKlorox said:

" Sub sub? Nah. Many, MANY bands in the "extreme metal" spectrum are blackened. Perhaps as a pure sub-genre (which sounds like an oxymoron) though. "

By sub I just mean specification for a further style within Heavy Metal e.g. Doom, Death, Grind etc. I would't say you need to be Just black metal to belong to the group. For example Anaal Nathrakh are almost as much a Grind band as they are Black Metal, but imo that doesn't exclude them from either grouping if you follow me.

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Sub sub? Nah. Many, MANY bands in the "extreme metal" spectrum are blackened. Perhaps as a pure sub-genre (which sounds like an oxymoron) though.

The blackest bands I've seen live are Vital Remains and Order of Ennead; and at best they would be considered blackened death.

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@IceOrb said:

Also if anything is gonna get the younger generation into the genre it'll probably be Dethklok. Doesn't get more accessible then a weekly timeslot on a childrens tv network! Lol "

Ahhh Metapocalypse. Adore that show :D I also remember someone either here or on metal storm who got into the genre through Brutal Legend! For some reason I found that to be awesome.

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@Marcsman said:

" @PatriotsAreGod: Cheating the Patriot way. Who do you think you are kidding? You're still an asshole "

And I will print out this comment, undress myself and roll all over it in utter glee. Thank you.

Also, anyone who mentions Spygate has already automatically - although unintentionally - admitted they know nothing about football.

EDIT: The best thing about this entire tiff is the OP is going to ramble on about the inaccuracies of wikipedia, all while saying the exact same shit the wiki does.

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@PatriotsAreGod:
Cheating the Patriot way. Who do you think you are kidding?
You're still an asshole

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Anyways I listened to Valdur. Not bad Cali band.

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@Marcsman said:

" @PatriotsAreGod: You and Belicheck are both assholes. "

I'm honored you dislike us. Although like Sheen, we're a wonderful brand of winning.

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@IceOrb said:

" What the fuck is going on. I thought this was a friendly chat about music. "

Chat away.

Let's face it: The topic title has poor wording. It asks What is Black Metal?, not Do you like Black Metal? Now, I would simply say "I don't" along with why I don't and carry on but, we are presented with metal forum talking points by the OP which contradicts itself numerous times. When I say Hey, that's actually thrash, I'm challenged as someone who needs a history lesson. Well, it turns out I don't.

I figure if someone is going to make their stupidity public, it should be addressed accordingly.

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@PatriotsAreGod:
You and Belicheck are both assholes.

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What the fuck is going on.

I thought this was a friendly chat about music.

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@King_Bonzo said:

One thing I will say in Dimmu's defence is they do act as a gateway to the genre for younger listeners. Kinda like My Dying Bride into doom, Metallica into thrash or Deathcore bands into Death Metal. "

Yes, the "gateway" theory. That's just a way of saying one band and/or genre is better than the other. Just say that instead instead of sounding preposterous. Nobody needs to listen to deathcore to get into death metal.

So yeah, excuse the higher-thinking for breaking down your dumb gateway facade you use to cover the fact that you think a band has to be "obscure" and unpopular to be worth the attention, King Bozo.

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@King_Bonzo

@IceOrb said:
" @King_Bonzo said:
" @IceOrb said:
" Out of curiosity why is Dimmu Borgir considered shit music? I haven't listened to them in a loooooong fucking time but what I remember of them didn't immediately make me think "ugh shit music". "
It's a totally subjective thing but generally I've found those who listen to the more "underground" black metal bands like Drudkh, Burzum, Deathspell Omega etc despise Dimmu for musically diluting their sound for commercial gain i.e. selling out. Personally I just found Dimmu to be kind boring and vastly overated, and I do what I always do when I feel a band is overrated; I call them shit lol. CoF on the other hand are provably shit. Scientists proved it in 2001. Seriously. "
Fair enough! Also echoing the "CoF is shit" statement. "
One thing I will say in Dimmu's defence is they do act as a gateway to the genre for younger listeners. Kinda like My Dying Bride into doom, Metallica into thrash or Deathcore bands into Death Metal.

I just remember listening to them many years ago thinking "yeah this isn't bad". Haven't been to ontop of their current stuff though I do know they let go ICS Vortex. Heard the bass player they hired as a replacement quit literally the next day. Seems like they have problems keeping people around.

Also if anything is gonna get the younger generation into the genre it'll probably be Dethklok. Doesn't get more accessible then a weekly timeslot on a childrens tv network! Lol

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@IceOrb said:

" @King_Bonzo said:
" @IceOrb said:
" Out of curiosity why is Dimmu Borgir considered shit music? I haven't listened to them in a loooooong fucking time but what I remember of them didn't immediately make me think "ugh shit music". "
It's a totally subjective thing but generally I've found those who listen to the more "underground" black metal bands like Drudkh, Burzum, Deathspell Omega etc despise Dimmu for musically diluting their sound for commercial gain i.e. selling out. Personally I just found Dimmu to be kind boring and vastly overated, and I do what I always do when I feel a band is overrated; I call them shit lol. CoF on the other hand are provably shit. Scientists proved it in 2001. Seriously. "
Fair enough! Also echoing the "CoF is shit" statement. "

One thing I will say in Dimmu's defence is they do act as a gateway to the genre for younger listeners. Kinda like My Dying Bride into doom, Metallica into thrash or Deathcore bands into Death Metal.

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@King_Bonzo said:

True artists do not care about what anyone thinks of their art. Not the label, and certainly not the general public. True Black Metal* is True Art. You may hate it, but these bands could not care less, because they produce art and art by definition has to be self serving. Black Metal is the realm of true art. Music for music's sake and nothing more. It also happens to be the most diverse and rich genre in existence today. "

See, this is why I didn't dissect your awesome posting. I didn't want to embarrass you but I'm on kick today.

First off, you are wrong. Why? Because you're killing your posting with your posting. In one hand, you're jerking-off BM because it's "true-art." In the other, you're telling everyone it's diverse and rich. Not to mention:

@King_Bonzo

said:

"BM has evolved. "

Into what? If something is pure and true, it doesn't need to evolve. It shouldn't be diverse. That's the complete opposite of what BM was all about. It sounds like you're making excuses for BM navigating away from the very thing that makes them so fucking "true."

BM went global. It's evolved alright. All those trips through the woods while toting battle axes didn't mean shit. The unthinkable happened: Black Metal caught on.

And for a bunch of bands that are "true" and don't care about what others think, they sure have no problem signing contracts with record companies to pay for rent. Yeah, see...even in the world of art, people still need to pay the bills. So don't think for a minute most of these guys are somehow more sincere than bands of other genre's, simply because they speak to you in magical ways through their shitty riffs. That middle video has a band who became successful with virtually zero air-play. They accomplished everything through making the music they wanted to make, without selling out to anyone. They didn't approach music with any less sincerity than your kewl underground bands.

Oh, and they sound 10 times better too.

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PatriotsAreGod

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How much you want to make a bet if this album wasn't titled what it is, nobody would deny this sounds like early Megadeth?

Heavy metal is so a sub-genre.

Vicious BM. So cold and harsh. Listen to the rapidly fast picking and high-pitched, screeching vocals. Oh, wait a minute...

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@King_Bonzo said:

" @IceOrb said:
" Out of curiosity why is Dimmu Borgir considered shit music? I haven't listened to them in a loooooong fucking time but what I remember of them didn't immediately make me think "ugh shit music". "
It's a totally subjective thing but generally I've found those who listen to the more "underground" black metal bands like Drudkh, Burzum, Deathspell Omega etc despise Dimmu for musically diluting their sound for commercial gain i.e. selling out. Personally I just found Dimmu to be kind boring and vastly overated, and I do what I always do when I feel a band is overrated; I call them shit lol. CoF on the other hand are provably shit. Scientists proved it in 2001. Seriously. "

Fair enough!

Also echoing the "CoF is shit" statement.

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Totally BM. Right.

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@King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod: ok final reply cus this intrigues me. I say "you should love black metal" and you assume I'm seriously telling people what to do? are you so insecure as soon as you read that you leap on the defensive rather than thinking "I disagree... a now I shall get on with my life". I don't think I ever said I was a guru but we've already established you didn't read my blog. Ok seriously last reply, your wasting my time. "

And I will waste it further.

I'm glad you're now responding without any musical references. It's a good thing considering you don't know jack-shit. The fact you even had to mention CoF sucking says it all. Gotta get that pretense out of the way so you fall in line with the obscurity crowd.

Now, are you coming back again? Being The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf is fun for a while.

@King_Bonzo

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" Black Metal. Arguably the most sub, sub-genre and the most sub of all "main" genres: Heavy Metal. Black Metal is quickly becoming my favourite genre of music.

Right here, off the bat...utter fail. Heavy Metal isn't a sub of a main genre, it is a main genre. You would also help yourself to realize that the term "underground" is nowhere near as weighty as it was in the 90's. The internet has changed everything. Burzum is no more or less available to the public than the Beatles. The era of feeling cooler than the next guy because your shit is faster, darker and heavier along with having to find your music in some shithole in the city, is over.

EDIT: Oh, and a TREMENDOUS LOL at you sticking Primordial into a paragraph about BM. GTFO, dude.

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@bartok said:

" What is love ? "

The unconditional affection, admiration and devotion to another. So as you can see it's perfectly applicable to a musical genre.....

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@PatriotsAreGod:
ok final reply cus this intrigues me. I say "you should love black metal" and you assume I'm seriously telling people what to do? are you so insecure as soon as you read that you leap on the defensive rather than thinking "I disagree... a now I shall get on with my life".

I don't think I ever said I was a guru but we've already established you didn't read my blog.

Ok seriously last reply, your wasting my time.

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What is love ?

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@King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod: You know I really thought Giant bomb would be free of cretins like you. People who read one sentence of an article or blog and then assume they've got the whole gist. Guess the incestuous mancinations of variation internet trolls have manifest even here. If you don't care what I have to say then why comment? Why is it worth your time? Go and comment on something you care about, like the patriots or thrash metal or mutual homo-erotic masturbation. "

Gee, you know you're losing an argument when you need to resort to childish insults. Sound familiar?

Yeah, I'm a cretin. What really happened is you're telling others they need to like something, while building yourself up to be this BM guru, and all of a sudden you got me telling you how much you're full of shit.

It sucks, I bet.

@King_Bonzo said:

I'm done with you. I'm not replying to you anymore you child. If you want to imagine this means you win, if that'll give you a little internet orgasm feel free. Frankly your boring me. "

Have fun at the next BM show, with the other 14 people that will show up.

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@PatriotsAreGod:

You know I really thought Giant bomb would be free of cretins like you. People who read one sentence of an article or blog and then assume they've got the whole gist. Guess the incestuous mancinations of various internet trolls have manifest even here.

If you don't care what I have to say then why comment? Why is it worth your time? Go and comment on something you care about, like the patriots or thrash metal or mutual homo-erotic masturbation.

I'm done with you. I'm not replying to you anymore you child. If you want to imagine this means you win, if that'll give you a little internet orgasm feel free. Frankly your boring me.

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@King_Bonzo said:

Nope but I bet you've got a wiki page open that can tell me! Personally I'm not too keen on Bathory. "

So you're going to sit there an rattle off about a bunch of bands you know nothing about, all while acting like you're some expert on the subject, and telling people they're wrong, huh?

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@King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod: Seriously have you even listened to modern BM bands. For that matter did you even read my blog or just the end cause the tackle the evolution of Black Metal head on. Seriously I hope your stupidity isn't contagious. "

The only part of your blog that really caught my eye is where you claim everyone else needs to love BM. Why would I even care about anything else when you say:

@King_Bonzo

said:

Black Metal is quickly becoming my favourite genre of music.

And you do it while following the old underground trend of bashing Cradle of Filth (who I don't like, either).

Basically, you're a fucking noob.

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@PatriotsAreGod said:

" @King_Bonzo said:
" @PatriotsAreGod: Yes opinion is Subjective, yes I'm calling Kenny wrong. Bathory began as BM and then evolved in what we now call Viking/Folk Metal but then Bathory basically invented that genre so at the time the project was still considered black metal. Seriously stop getting your arguments from wikipedia. "
I don't need wikipedia you dolt because I own some of the actual albums (first three). Do you even know who Quorthon was influenced by? "

Nope but I bet you've got a wiki page open that can tell me!

Personally I'm not too keen on Bathory.

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@King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod: Yes opinion is Subjective, yes I'm calling Kenny wrong. Bathory began as BM and then evolved in what we now call Viking/Folk Metal but then Bathory basically invented that genre so at the time the project was still considered black metal. Seriously stop getting your arguments from wikipedia. "

I don't need wikipedia you dolt because I own some of the actual albums (first three). Do you even know who Quorthon was influenced by?

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@PatriotsAreGod:

Seriously have you even listened to modern BM bands. For that matter did you even read my blog or just the end cause the tackle the evolution of Black Metal head on.

Seriously I hope your stupidity isn't contagious.

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@King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod said:
" @King_Bonzo said:
" @PatriotsAreGod: Yeah I guess I better!.... You know you can always tell when someone's argument has collapsed in on itself when they resort to unfounded child like taunts. "
Uh-huh. Or you can tell when someone's argument has collapsed when they write off wiki as unreliable. It goes both ways, chief. Maybe this topic should be for people who know the difference between thrash and actual BM? That would be nice. "
Wiki is generally considered at large by those of us with brains to be exceedingly unreliable. The main difference initially between thrash and BM was BM has a satanic/pagan philosophy, shrieked or screamed vocals and a faster pace with a reliance on tremolo picking in the riffs. Today BM and Thrash metal could not be more different as BM has evolved. Go and listen to a song by Evile and then one by Blut Aus Nord and come back and maybe you can tell us the difference. "

BM has evolved.......

You do realize true BM was never supposed to evolve, right? That kind of defeats the purpose of BM to begin with. And I already know the difference between thrash and BM. One actually takes some skill.

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@PatriotsAreGod:
Yes opinion is Subjective, yes I'm calling Kenny wrong.

Bathory began as BM and then evolved in what we now call Viking/Folk Metal but then Bathory basically invented that genre so at the time the project was still considered black metal. Seriously stop getting your arguments from wikipedia.

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I like avenged sevenfold...and tech n9ne..does that count? hahaha

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Oh, BTW, Bathory is considered to be more viking metal. So you can take them off of your kvlt BM list as well.

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@PatriotsAreGod said:

" @King_Bonzo said:
" @PatriotsAreGod: Yeah I guess I better!.... You know you can always tell when someone's argument has collapsed in on itself when they resort to unfounded child like taunts. "
Uh-huh. Or you can tell when someone's argument has collapsed when they write off wiki as unreliable. It goes both ways, chief. Maybe this topic should be for people who know the difference between thrash and actual BM? That would be nice. "

Wiki is generally considered at large by those of us with brains to be exceedingly unreliable.

The main difference initially between thrash and BM was BM has a satanic/pagan philosophy, shrieked or screamed vocals and a faster pace with a reliance on tremolo picking in the riffs.

Today BM and Thrash metal could not be more different as BM has evolved. Go and listen to a song by Evile and then one by Blut Aus Nord and come back and maybe you can tell us the difference.

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@King_Bonzo said:

" @KennyPowers:
You're wrong. Flat out wrong. Cradle of Filth are what 13 year olds listen to when they want to rebel against their parents. They're not artists they're entertainers. Like DB they produce music to a template that's been proven to sell. COF are a product and an incredibly shoddy one at that.

And BM is what idiots who need to feel like they are part of a special kvlt listen to. But you also said taste is subjective. So why are you calling Kenny's wrong?

LOL at you calling some of these bands artists while others entertainers. Hello pot, meet kettle. What a fucking hypocrite.

When did you start listening to music, last year?

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@IceOrb said:

" Out of curiosity why is Dimmu Borgir considered shit music? I haven't listened to them in a loooooong fucking time but what I remember of them didn't immediately make me think "ugh shit music". "

It's a totally subjective thing but generally I've found those who listen to the more "underground" black metal bands like Drudkh, Burzum, Deathspell Omega etc despise Dimmu for musically diluting their sound for commercial gain i.e. selling out. Personally I just found Dimmu to be kind boring and vastly overated, and I do what I always do when I feel a band is overrated; I call them shit lol.

CoF on the other hand are provably shit. Scientists proved it in 2001. Seriously.

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@King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod: Yeah I guess I better!.... You know you can always tell when someone's argument has collapsed in on itself when they resort to unfounded child like taunts. "

Uh-huh.

Or you can tell when someone's argument has collapsed when they write off wiki as unreliable. It goes both ways, chief.

Maybe this topic should be for people who know the difference between thrash and actual BM? That would be nice.

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Out of curiosity why is Dimmu Borgir considered shit music?

I haven't listened to them in a loooooong fucking time but what I remember of them didn't immediately make me think "ugh shit music".

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@PatriotsAreGod:

Yeah I guess I better!....

You know you can always tell when someone's argument has collapsed in on itself when they resort to unfounded child like taunts.

13 years ago

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@King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod: Actually not at all that was off the top of my head. Seriously though you must have some massive internet balls now! well done for quoting a site that is largely known for massive inaccuracy. Learn to be smart! "

Yeah, and you sure nipped that one in the bud.

You better go wash off your face paint now.

And find an actual singer, too.

13 years ago

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@PatriotsAreGod: Actually not at all that was off the top of my head.

Seriously though you must have some massive internet balls now! well done for quoting a site that is largely known for massive inaccuracy.

Learn to be smart!

13 years ago

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@King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod said:
" @King_Bonzo said:
" @PatriotsAreGod said:
No, I should not.

Black Metal began as an inner circle of retarded Norwegian racists who were becoming pissy with Christianity while embracing their outcast lifestyle. Not to mention the genre has the least talented musicians in metal.    Black Metal began in England with Venom, Switzerland with Hell Hammer and Sweden with Bathory. Do some homework buddy :)  The least talented remark is purely subjective of course. But you're still wrong. "
Those were more thrash than BM, especially Venom. It wasn't an actual genre until Norway. Learn to listen, genius. "
You're wrong.  There is a reason Darkthrone and Mayhem and Burzum are refered to as the 2nd wave of black metal. It's because Venom, Hell Hammer and Bathory were in the first. Besides read the blog again I mention the variety within black metal and yes early Black Metal does sound like a faster more extreme version of thrash but then so does early Death Metal. Seven Churches and Altars of Madness share much with the thrash sound.  Besides your main gripes seems to be with the philosophy which was completely present in the first wave, and supposed racism which has only really been voiced by Varg Vikernes and then was never transferred to his music. Learn to read, listen, comprehend and learn. "

Look who knows how to use wikipedia. I bet ur kewl for ur uber metal knowledge.

I can too:

During the 1980s, a few thrash metal bands formed a prototype for black metal. This so-called "first wave" included bands such as Venom, Bathory, Hellhammer, Celtic Frost and Sarcófago. A "second wave" arose in the early 1990s, spearheaded by Norwegian bands such as Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone, Immortal and Emperor. This scene developed the black metal style into a distinct genre.

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@PatriotsAreGod said:

" @King_Bonzo said:
" @PatriotsAreGod said:
No, I should not.

Black Metal began as an inner circle of retarded Norwegian racists who were becoming pissy with Christianity while embracing their outcast lifestyle. Not to mention the genre has the least talented musicians in metal. Black Metal began in England with Venom, Switzerland with Hell Hammer and Sweden with Bathory. Do some homework buddy :) The least talented remark is purely subjective of course. But you're still wrong. "
Those were more thrash than BM, especially Venom. It wasn't an actual genre until Norway. Learn to listen, genius. "

You're wrong.

There is a reason Darkthrone and Mayhem and Burzum are refered to as the 2nd wave of black metal. It's because Venom, Hell Hammer and Bathory were in the first. Besides read the blog again I mention the variety within black metal and yes early Black Metal does sound like a faster more extreme version of thrash but then so does early Death Metal. Seven Churches and Altars of Madness share much with the thrash sound.

Besides your main gripes seems to be with the philosophy which was completely present in the first wave, and supposed racism which has only really been voiced by Varg Vikernes and then was never transferred to his music.

Learn to read, listen, comprehend and learn.

13 years ago

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@King_Bonzo said:

" @PatriotsAreGod said:
No, I should not.

Black Metal began as an inner circle of retarded Norwegian racists who were becoming pissy with Christianity while embracing their outcast lifestyle. Not to mention the genre has the least talented musicians in metal. Black Metal began in England with Venom, Switzerland with Hell Hammer and Sweden with Bathory. Do some homework buddy :) The least talented remark is purely subjective of course. But you're still wrong. "

Those were more thrash than BM, especially Venom. It wasn't an actual genre until Norway. Learn to listen to the music better, genius.

If you think this is BM, you don't know anything.

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This is true black metal:

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@Tordah said:

" @ThePhantomnaut: France does have a fantastic black metal scene. So many creative bands out there doing their own thing; Belenos, Deathspell Omega, Mystic Forest, Blut Aus Nord, etc. "

You could easily argue for Blut Aus Nord as being the most talented band, not just in metal, but period, working today. DsO also as leagues ahead of the competition in terms of scope but their song writing falls a little for me.

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@PatriotsAreGod said:
No, I should not.

Black Metal began as an inner circle of retarded Norwegian racists who were becoming pissy with Christianity while embracing their outcast lifestyle. Not to mention the genre has the least talented musicians in metal.

Black Metal began in England with Venom, Switzerland with Hell Hammer and Sweden with Bathory. Do some homework buddy :)

The least talented remark is purely subjective of course. But you're still wrong.

13 years ago

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@King_Bonzo said:

I love Black Metal. You should too.

No, I should not.

Black Metal began as an inner circle of retarded Norwegian racists who were becoming pissy with Christianity while embracing their outcast lifestyle. Not to mention the genre has the least talented musicians in metal.

Black metal was never supposed to have an audience. Too bad it did anyway.

Over there in Norway, the churches all burn down
Let's go dress in goth clothes and get painted like a clown
Awesome leather armbands with spikes like two feet long
Hair is parted down the middle, frowning like a frog

In league with the devil, talking Satan, skulls and hell
Making mommy mad, cause that's original
If you hate good music, then it can't hurt to go
Image-conscious assholes, black metal fashion show

I hope that you get hit by a bus. Why?
Black metal sucks
Careful not to smear your makeup
You suck
goth clothes and frowns, just like we discussed
Black metal sucks
Auuuuuuuuuugh What?
You suck

Blacke Foryst of Despayr, taking photos of the band
Put 'em up on myspace you're the envy of the land
Posing with a battleaxe and grimacing with hate
When you're done with this, figure skating at the lake

The music is best, it's got the hardest metal sound
Quickly riffing on one note is certain to astound
Dimly echoed drumming and some goat heads to distract
From the terrible screeching that you pass off as your act

I wish your black clothes would combust. Why?
Black metal sucks
You know what dude, you look like a schmuck
You suck
Singer sounds like a wounded duck
Black metal sucks
I'd rather listen to... us
You suck

You know how I know you look like a fool?
Lich King rules
We're the best band and we're super cool
We rule
Straight from the 80's and we're old school
Lich King rules
Running out of rhymes, so wading pool
Thrash is the rule

Yeah, not very talented either but they speak the truth.

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Ramblings 2: What is Black Metal?

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