LD50

How do you say? Ah yes...zee Bing Bong.

http://soundcloud.com/biasedpropaganda

@Irvandus said:

I thought some place somewhere got bombed. So this news is okay with me.

lol

@teknohed said:

Could it be a reference to so cal electro duo Whiteqube? http://soundcloud.com/whiteqube/bingbong

@1:02 I def hear that Bing Bong hook. Good find.

Aaaaaand...SCENE!

@HelicopterSpy said:

Yet more bing bong! I like where the genre is heading so far.

http://soundcloud.com/josh-kirby-3/helicopter-spy-plug-out

That's awesome. The voice sample is on fire.

@RollingZeppelin said:

@LD50 said:

@Snail said:

@Mageman said:

@Snail said:

I don't operate with those assumptions, though you keep implying that.

The desire to feel ecstatic (especially present when one is depressed) can more easily lead to lack of control in the taking of this drug, than in the consumption of coffee. This independently of whatever dependency quotients you can throw at me.

I had already said that though. So I've reached the conclusion that I've already said what I had to say, and if I argue against that post any more extensively we'd going in circles.

You can mediate the depression, and as more recently showed with pure mdma it does not even have to really occur on any meaningful/big level. One trip of mdma does not ''break you'' and make you crave for more, that is silly.

You keep misinterpreting what I say. If you are to reply to me again please devote more time to reading my post, because, again, I am not saying that at all.

I am not saying that the depression happens because of MDMA. You seem to have misunderstood this? I am asking you to hypothesize a person who is depressed because, say, he or she was dumped by a significant other, or due to the loss of a family member. Shit happens to people.

You can meditate a depression. You can also take ecstasy and instantly feel better. To someone acquainted with the drug, how tempting is that?

I am not saying that one trip of MDMA "breaks you", I have no idea where you found that in my posts. I am talking about long-term consumption, led to significant increase by a state of depression.

I must agree. MDMA is not something everyone should be taking every weekend to party with necessarily.

"The long-term effects most frequently reported included the development of tolerance to MDMA (59%), impaired ability to concentrate (38%), depression (37%) and ‘feeling more open towards people’ (31%)."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/hup.529/abstract;jsessionid=42A8E9824DBC91B90137E4BD034AFE0E.d03t02

Acute, sub-acute and long-term subjective consequences of ‘ecstasy’ (MDMA) consumption in 430 regular users

1. Suzanne L. Verheyden,

1. John A. Henry,

1. H. Valerie Curran

Article first published online: 1 OCT 2003

DOI: 10.1002/hup.529

Human Psychopharmacology: Clinical and Experimental

Volume 18, Issue 7, pages 507–517, October 2003

Thank you for posting an actual scientific study. Others in this thread seem to be happy to argue day and night on their opinions when really all you need to do is show some evidence supporting your arguments.

Just reading over the abstract it looks like they interviewed quite a few "regular MDMA users", so the subjects use of the drugs was not controlled. That, I think, makes this study much less useful because it's impossible to link the usage to the effects, never mind the source of the MDMA which could have been, and probably was, laced with other drugs or additives.

I'd like to know how those long-term statistics compare to those of alcohol or marijuana.

It's also an old study. I try not to use any evidence older than two years in any serious debate. You have a valid objection.

However, I'd like to point out that I was using the evidence to illuminate my point:

"MDMA is not something everyone should be taking every weekend to party with necessarily."

If by calling my article into question you are taking the position that "everyone should be taking MDMA every weekend to party with"...well Sir, I have two words for you.

Kick Starter.

;]

@Snail said:

@Mageman said:

@Snail said:

I don't operate with those assumptions, though you keep implying that.

The desire to feel ecstatic (especially present when one is depressed) can more easily lead to lack of control in the taking of this drug, than in the consumption of coffee. This independently of whatever dependency quotients you can throw at me.

I had already said that though. So I've reached the conclusion that I've already said what I had to say, and if I argue against that post any more extensively we'd going in circles.

You can mediate the depression, and as more recently showed with pure mdma it does not even have to really occur on any meaningful/big level. One trip of mdma does not ''break you'' and make you crave for more, that is silly.

You keep misinterpreting what I say. If you are to reply to me again please devote more time to reading my post, because, again, I am not saying that at all.

I am not saying that the depression happens because of MDMA. You seem to have misunderstood this? I am asking you to hypothesize a person who is depressed because, say, he or she was dumped by a significant other, or due to the loss of a family member. Shit happens to people.

You can meditate a depression. You can also take ecstasy and instantly feel better. To someone acquainted with the drug, how tempting is that?

I am not saying that one trip of MDMA "breaks you", I have no idea where you found that in my posts. I am talking about long-term consumption, led to significant increase by a state of depression.

I must agree. MDMA is not something everyone should be taking every weekend to party with necessarily.

"The long-term effects most frequently reported included the development of tolerance to MDMA (59%), impaired ability to concentrate (38%), depression (37%) and ‘feeling more open towards people’ (31%)."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/hup.529/abstract;jsessionid=42A8E9824DBC91B90137E4BD034AFE0E.d03t02

Acute, sub-acute and long-term subjective consequences of ‘ecstasy’ (MDMA) consumption in 430 regular users

1. Suzanne L. Verheyden,

1. John A. Henry,

1. H. Valerie Curran

Article first published online: 1 OCT 2003

DOI: 10.1002/hup.529

Human Psychopharmacology: Clinical and Experimental

Volume 18, Issue 7, pages 507–517, October 2003

@George_Hukas said:

A big percentage of the girls I banged were thanks to MDMA.. don't take it myself but I fucking love the stuff.

Guys who do E and coke usually do poppers and dick as well.

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And whats up with the mods here? lol I love this site now

Fortunately no ones talking about personal experiences so it's not against the forum rules...for the most part.

@sionweeks said: