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#1 Edited by LD50 (415 posts) -

@jimbo: Well thought out response. I'm a little confused about a few points, so I'd like to ask a few questions to better understand your position.

"They wanted to flip Putin the bird and join our gang instead"

Who is our gang?

"We don't need to go to war with Russia, but we do need to stand up to them."

Why do we (U.S.) need to stand up to Putin?

"Anyone taking a 'this doesn't have anything to do with us, therefore we shouldn't get involved' view on this needs to read more history books."

Can you give me the Cliff notes of why the U.S. needs to be involved in this situation? Short of that, maybe a specific situation that parallels this one?

Thank you for reading this thread and replying, I appreciate it.

EDIT: I see you've responded already. I'm going to read that and then reframe my questions.

#2 Posted by LD50 (415 posts) -

@noizy: As far as I know, that gas goes to Europe. And while Europe is a major player in this scenario, I can't say that it's necessarily the focus. Someone with a better understanding of the gas situation might be in a better position to explain it than I.

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@noizy: Not so much oil. But there are gas routes...


#4 Edited by LD50 (415 posts) -

@monkeyking1969 said:

The US works with dozens of nations to have military bases and only one is on territory that the conutry wants us off of...Cuba. But here is the huge difference, Guantánamo Bay under the 1903 Cuban–American Treaty is our territory. That base and that land is US land, and has been for over a century.

The U.S. has a military presence in 148 countries. The U.S. has 662 military bases overseas, not including active operations in Iraq and Afghanistan which could put the number closer to 900. That seems excessive to me, probably expensive too.


#5 Posted by LD50 (415 posts) -

There's been many great replies here thus far, and some reasonable objections. There is speculation that the Budapest Memorandum is not a treaty, and does not guarantee any action:

The Budapest Memorandum committed all parties “to refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine’s territorial integrity.” But the agreement is not a treaty and doesn’t require any of the signatories to do anything in the event of violations.


That's the extent of my knowledge on that topic, so for me to go into further detail would only be to parrot things I have heard and not researched. Ethical obligations are another story, but we are talking about governments and I think questions of ethics at this point are self evident, sadly.

The position that the Ukraine parliament is mostly intact is a valid observation, but the loyalty of the Ukrainian Prime Minister Yatsenyuk is questionable, IMO.

I found this video which does a pretty good job of explaining some of the missing pieces to the Ukraine puzzle. If this information is true, and I have researched it in depth and been unable to disprove it, then even the political intervention in the Ukraine can be called into question.

If you have verifiable evidence that the information in this video is false, please bring it forward. Thank you.

#6 Posted by LD50 (415 posts) -

@truthtellah: I agree, competing narratives are the passion. I think it's easy to disprove the "conservative" versus "Neo-Nazi" position though. The Svoboda are clearly anti-semites, and they have what appears to be considerable influence in the newly unelected government of the Ukraine that the U.S. is trying to support. Would you agree?

#7 Posted by LD50 (415 posts) -

@truthtellah: I think the subtext of the poll was probably meant to address a military intervention. But really, intervening in any capacity outside of commercial sanctions seems to overstep whatever influence we should have in that area. The thought of entangled alliances comes to mind when considering various political and military maneuverings the U.S. should engage in. Honestly, I don't think the world wants us involved in anything outside free trade. At least from the feedback I've gotten from them. Which is almost always loud and rarely kind when discussing American intervention in foreign affairs. Rightfully so for the most part. If we were to get the full story as to why we should be involved in all the conflicts we've been in since WW2, I doubt we would have been so supportive of them as a nation.

As it stands, the unelected government installed in the Ukraine is made up of U.S. sympathisers and far right wing, dare I say Neo-Nazis given their own stance on various subjects. Some say they are directly related to the National Socialist that populated the actual Nazi party we fought so strongly against in WW2. We are now supporting them and giving them what might amount to military support, should that path be taken.

Yes, it's unfortunate that Putin seems to be after Crimea. No, I don't think that sets a great precedent for the future of the surrounding areas. But to back what seems to be a branch of the same enemies we fought in WW2 to dissuade that encroachment is barbaric, bordering on insanity. From that perspective, there is no right side or good fight to be fought, and it's best to stay out of it, IMHO. Honestly, the way this whole thing appears to be shaking out, it looks a lot like WW2 but we're on the side of the Nazis this time.

I'm no expert on WW2 history, nor am I and expert on politics of that area, so if you have a clearer understanding please enlighten me.

Thank you very much for your input thus far as well. I happy to hear from everyone that has participated in this thread.

#8 Posted by LD50 (415 posts) -

Sounds kinda like rosemarys baby.

#9 Edited by LD50 (415 posts) -

I don't think so. Its 360, not PC. But ah.. Like I'm not sure what you mean by a modding server in the first place. 360 is a walled garden, it doesn't mod like that..

Quake would be your best bet otherwise..

Thanks for pointing that out. Something was nagging at the back of my mind about the question, and I couldn't put my finger on it.

Thank you for the suggestion also.

I'll see if I can get some clarification on what he was talking about.

Maybe he was trolling me, hahaha.

I hope his 360 controllers don't go missing.


#10 Posted by LD50 (415 posts) -