You know what sucked?

In the Lord of the Rings: Return of the King movie adaptation, where Peter Jackson has that giant army of the dead sweep across Pelennor Fields, obliterating the rest of the Orcs and magically saving everyone left in Minas Tirith. Now if you were one of the people who only watched the movie and didn't read the books, that was probably fine for you. After all, it was pretty grandiose and entertaining. The problem is, Peter Jackson entirely missed the point of that battle in the book, where it's supposed to be the race of man proving their worth, alone and without help. In the book Aragorn uses the dead to clear the Corsair ships, but then sails up the coast rallying Gondorian farmers and gathering soldiers from the outer provinces. And yes, they sail up the river and turn the tide of the battle at Minas Tirith- but it's men having the might to prtect themselves. This is where they prove they have the strength to inherit the world from the Elves, who are slowly vanishing. Overall, in the grand scheme of the tale, the army of the dead serves the same purpose (and takes less explanation), but it misses the deeper message of that clash.

That's kind of how I feel about Watchmen: The End is Nigh. It was a fantastic book and a serviceable movie, but neither of them were really about punching dudes. Watchmen is a critique of superheroes cliches and the utter silliness of dressing up in a costume and fighting crime. It's self-aware. The game is not self-aware, and just focuses on the visceral thrills of beating thugs. It's certainly a serviceble brawler, but the use of the Watchmen license really hurts it, because it stands in stark contrast to the message of the original work. It's just missing the point. And that sucks.

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Posted by Lies

In the Lord of the Rings: Return of the King movie adaptation, where Peter Jackson has that giant army of the dead sweep across Pelennor Fields, obliterating the rest of the Orcs and magically saving everyone left in Minas Tirith. Now if you were one of the people who only watched the movie and didn't read the books, that was probably fine for you. After all, it was pretty grandiose and entertaining. The problem is, Peter Jackson entirely missed the point of that battle in the book, where it's supposed to be the race of man proving their worth, alone and without help. In the book Aragorn uses the dead to clear the Corsair ships, but then sails up the coast rallying Gondorian farmers and gathering soldiers from the outer provinces. And yes, they sail up the river and turn the tide of the battle at Minas Tirith- but it's men having the might to prtect themselves. This is where they prove they have the strength to inherit the world from the Elves, who are slowly vanishing. Overall, in the grand scheme of the tale, the army of the dead serves the same purpose (and takes less explanation), but it misses the deeper message of that clash.

That's kind of how I feel about Watchmen: The End is Nigh. It was a fantastic book and a serviceable movie, but neither of them were really about punching dudes. Watchmen is a critique of superheroes cliches and the utter silliness of dressing up in a costume and fighting crime. It's self-aware. The game is not self-aware, and just focuses on the visceral thrills of beating thugs. It's certainly a serviceble brawler, but the use of the Watchmen license really hurts it, because it stands in stark contrast to the message of the original work. It's just missing the point. And that sucks.

Edited by Claude

We must entertain the masses... that's their only thought. How will it look? What effect do I want to have on the public? How many people can I get to join in on my vision?

Posted by HandsomeDead
Lies said:
"You know what sucked?"
Lies said:
"Lord of the Rings"
Yep.
Posted by Kajaah117
HandsomeDead said:
"Lies said:
"You know what sucked?"
Lies said:
"Lord of the Rings"
Yep."
Care to elaborate?
Posted by Weltal

I read your post and know your complaint but can I answer anyway?
The fact that it's $20!

Really though, who though this was going to be anything more than a heaping pile of shit? I had absolutely no expectations for the game and when I played the demo I thought it was alright and if it were $10 I'd probably buy it. I don't know what everyone wanted out of a game in terms of continuity to the story of Watchmen when everyone knew it was a brawler long before it's release.

Posted by HandsomeDead
Kajaah117 said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"Lies said:
"You know what sucked?"
Lies said:
"Lord of the Rings"
Yep."
Care to elaborate?"
Lord of the Rings is shit. And yeah, I know that wasn't Lies' point and I do agree with him on his real point.
Posted by Jolly_Lolly
HandsomeDead said:
"Kajaah117 said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"Lies said:
"You know what sucked?"
Lies said:
"Lord of the Rings"
Yep."
Care to elaborate?"
Lord of the Rings is shit. And yeah, I know that wasn't Lies' point and I do agree with him on his real point."
This reminds me of that Clerks 2 debate...ahh, good times.
Edited by jakob187
Jolly_Lolly said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"Kajaah117 said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"Lies said:
"You know what sucked?"
Lies said:
"Lord of the Rings"
Yep."
Care to elaborate?"
Lord of the Rings is shit. And yeah, I know that wasn't Lies' point and I do agree with him on his real point."
This reminds me of that Clerks 2 debate...ahh, good times. "
There's only one Return, and it's not "...of the King".  It's "...of the Jedi".

MOTHERFUCKER!!!

But don't worry...because "...of the King" still beats "...of the Sith".  = D
Posted by RichardLOlson
Well you know sucks.....Watchmen....Lord of the Rings movies......and Star Wars movies......
Posted by Systech
RichardLOlson said:
"Well you know sucks.....Watchmen....Lord of the Rings movies......and Star Wars movies......
"
That's not very nice.
Posted by TwoLines

You guys are so going to be beat up by nerds... okay- maybe not, but- they will curse a lot and.. hmm.. okay- they'll lock themselves in the basement and cry. See what you did right there?

Posted by SathingtonWaltz
HandsomeDead said:
"Kajaah117 said:
"HandsomeDead said:
"Lies said:
"You know what sucked?"
Lies said:
"Lord of the Rings"
Yep."
Care to elaborate?"
Lord of the Rings is shit. And yeah, I know that wasn't Lies' point and I do agree with him on his real point."
Excellent use of reasons why. Are you talking about the movie adaptions, or the books? Or both?