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@equal_opportunity_destroyer497 said:

I can't wait until her Kickstarter money runs out so I never have to hear about her or her bullshit ever again. So sick of her and all these so-called "men" that cry out "SEXISM!" every time we see a boob in a game.

Heh. I don't want to frighten you, but I doubt this is going to go away any time soon. As long as there are still hordes of overreacting man-children, you can bet that these conversations will still be needed.

Also, in regards to this topic, here's the response straight from the horse's mouth:

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People who think this quote is damning are showing themselves to have a very limited understanding of language. Also, in my experience, some people who tell you that they're slavish disciples of reason and logic are actually just telling you that they have a borderline autistic, stunted sense of context and meaning.

I'm a film lover, but I'm not a fan of 90% of what Hollywood thinks movies should be like. So, depending on when you catch me, I might tell you very different things about my opinion of the movie industry.

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So I noticed the old "/spawn" command doesn't work. What's the new cool way to fast-travel, or are we stuck in the dark ages again?

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Feels good doesn't it?

It bears repeating, though, that criticism isn't the same thing as censorship. There are a lot of people here that don't seem to get that. The film industry gets a lot more of this type of discussion, with far less conspiracy-theory man-baby whining. Forget "checking your privilege", how about a reality check? No one is coming to take away your trashy games. They'll still be there, hopefully alongside a greater amount of thoughtful content for those who want it.

Also, there's nothing illegal, and nothing necessarily bad about exploitative imagery, I just wish creators would be more honest about it sometimes.

They could say, for example: "Yeah Cortana? Totally a pornographic model with crazy luscious hips that could smother a horse, that's totally on purpose". I really don't buy the spin about making her seem vulnerable, you're meant to drool over her like a hungry animal (not that there's anything wrong with that ;)

There seems to be a common argument that those who want stories and images of women that are less exploitative must be sex-negative prudes. I really don't think that's the case much of the time; one can like the nastiest most degrading porn imaginable, but still want to watch a drama where the characters are treated like normal human beings and not with a leering camera.

(Speaking hypothetically of course, wink wink, nudge nudge).

If you think that's a contradiction, I suggest thinking harder, you'll get there.

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He's not a politician. He's not running a state, or a county, or even a city. So why should he have to apologize when his comments didn't directly cause any harm to anyone? It's not like we have to trust him with our money or social issues or rights. He's a fucking cartoonist. I find that to be the incredibly ridiculous part.

He's completely within his rights to say what he wants, and no one is making him apologize, but other people are completely free to criticize him and share their opinion with others. What he chooses to do with that criticism is up to him; he can ignore it, he can try to make it better, or even make it worse if he wants to. Criticism isn't the same thing as censorship.

Whether he likes it or not, he's a public figure, and a very powerful one within the gaming community, and all this comes with the territory.

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@lively: Except the entire crux of the joke is that the 'anti rape victim' portion comes from the game itself, and forces the player to ignore the suffering victim because hey, quest completed. That's why the joke is funny, it's pointing out a strange result of how MMOs work, and the humor is from how backwards to morality it is.

But no, it has the word 'rape' in it, so therefore it's damaging to women. And it needs to have a trigger warning before it, because what doesn't need a trigger warning before it. I sure hope no one uses the phrase motherfucker without a trigger warning for children raped by their mothers.

It's worth pointing out that it was a pretty small group who reacted negatively to the original comic, the controversy was more about how dismissive Mike was to the idea that anyone might be hurt by it.

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I think it's beyond hysterical that a joke in which A MALE PRISONER complains that these horrible monsters rape him is now considered an ANTI-WOMAN joke because it's about rape.

When there are jokes about women getting raped, it's anti-women. When there are jokes about men getting raped, it's anti-women.

Fuck me. It's like I see a glass and say it's half-empty, and then others see a glass and say that's the patriarchy.

My impression of the backlash was more about being "anti-rape victim" than being "anti-women", but rape victims happen to be predominantly female (according to Wikipedia the split in the U.S. is approximately 91% vs. 9%), so you're more likely to hear from women who have been raped then men.

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Cartoonist Rich Stevens of Diesel Sweeties reached out to WIRED when he heard we planned to report on the PAX incident. “It’s just so disappointing to see people I’ve known since we were all new and broke turn out to be such tone-deaf, old man bullies. He’s Rush Limbaugh with tattoos. I could get over the original comic if they’d just moved on or apologized, but they had to make merchandise out of rape just to poke back at people and then encourage fans to wear it to a convention that supposedly has pro-woman policies,” said Stevens.

“It’s like he never got the point of growing up having been bullied as a kid. You’re supposed to get older and not repeat it … I wish more people in our field would be open about this, but I think there is a lot of social and economic pressure not to be… I really want to let them know that not everyone in webcomics is scared to stand up to them.”

The above from the Wired article says my position better than I could.

For the record I think comparing Mike to Rush Limbaugh is unfair. Rush Limbaugh is a poisonous, horrible excuse for a human being, while Mike is just kind of awkward, inarticulate, and not completely aware of how his words affect others.

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Also, John Williams may be stretching the definition of "classical", but I'm pretty sure his stuff will be remembered in a century right alongside Copland and Gershwin as an essential American composer (unlike film composer hacks like Hans Zimmer).

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