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#1 Edited by LonelySpacePanda (122 posts) -

Can a mod explain why this post (#187) was taken down?

http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion-30/examples-of-corruption-in-games-journalism-1497478/?page=4#js-message-7633489 …

It contained a long list of reporters who investigated recent corruption in the industry -- seemed relevant to the thread's topic. I didn't read all of it but most of what I saw looked legit (Patricia Hernandez not disclosing she wrote about her roommates for many months, Nathan Grayson's name in the source code of Depression Quest). I didn't read all of it but it seemed like just a collection of links and brief explanations, with nothing dirty involved. Could be wrong, however. The sources could be sketchy but isn't part of this thread's point to post corruption and evaluate the legitimacy of posts claiming something went wrong? For instance, I don't think there is anything wrong with Grayson being thanked in someone's game. As long as there is no bigotry involved in the said link (or goes against rules on this site), it seems like it'd be cool to discuss these stories.

Could any mods speak up, please?

#2 Posted by LonelySpacePanda (122 posts) -

I wish people would layoff the blacklist stuff. Yeah, it's a pretty shady thing but the public issue is that a company felt it okay to ignore a reporter's investigation into a false charity by a transgender individual (an issue that the company should have took seriously given the history with Jim), encouraged the reporter to reveal after he fought against it, and then fed false info about it (saying death threats were being thrown against IndieGoGo staff). Then, covered it all up.

The problem isn't that Dtoid made horrible decisions before and after my poor decision (which I still firmly stand was a result of Chris feeding me false info), but that the rest of the industry agreed to cover up Dtoid staff's poor decisions. They joked about and influenced the investigation in all the wrong ways.

In a better industry: I would have been fired for my actions (not for something else, as I was) and other sites would have investigated my evidence proving Dtoid staff's lack of management pushed toward the terrible outcome with the female developer.

My gut feeling is that a lot of these sites pretend to be journalism publications but whenever an ethically complex situation comes around, managing staff go silent and insist they are all bloggers that have to make their own decisions alone, and then when the wrong decisions are made they pretend to be journalists again, saying "well, we did advise against that!" when they never actually did.

fwiw, a Joystiq reporter laughed at my story and said no way in hell would this had gone down like this had it happened there, but I have my doubts any other site would have responded any differently (except for the feeding false info thing).

#3 Edited by LonelySpacePanda (122 posts) -

Someone that used to do marketing for IGN worked for Destructoid in an unofficial capacity while I was there. Let's just say I heard some things. Nothing I can confirm or prove, but it's the sort of stuff that makes the industry vulnerable to a public outcry like GamerGate.

As for GamerGate itself, it's the worst example of anonymity in social media. I've seen the stuff Zoe links to (which is mostly proof of gross behavior in pro-GG) but I've also seen a lot of LGBT and women posting pro-GG tweets. I've even been linked to an anti-GG threatening to out a transgender GG supporter.

The thing is, is the internet is a place where anyone can say they are anybody and say they want anything. Who knows if the people attacking Zoe and Anita are pro-GG or just trolls. Who knows if the LGBT pro-GG are actual real people. The only thing known are the leaks and concerns against progamejournos and the fact that Anita and Zoe have had their safety and privacy taken away from them. I don't think either of these issues should be tied to GamerGate -- they should be tied to being decent human beings who care about transparency in game reporting and welcoming developers of all beliefs and genders in the development scene. That the debate rages on without this being the prevailing belief is indication to me of the other greatest problem with social media: People live in an echo chamber, refusing to have their reality questioned by alternative views from the other side.

#4 Posted by LonelySpacePanda (122 posts) -

My story got dug back up when some pro-GamerGaters got access to the gamejournopros list and contacted me about the emails concerning me in the list. I didn't want anything to do with gamergate so I just cooperated by sending them links to documents previously leaked a year ago. If they are going to write about me, I might as well point them to accurate information that they can parse on their own.

I don't believe in any conspiracy. I think this industry has had a growing tendency in the past decade to be a bit too small and guarded for its own good, especially when it comes to indie developers and critics. Long ago, these people were just friends but now they are known figures with money in the bank. It's wrong to have a Kotaku writer posting articles about her roommate, or all the conflict of interests that follow Brandon Boyer (he's a nice guy, I can say personally, but there is some dubious stuff when it comes to the IGF and other award shows he judges). Almost all these people hang out and talk on a consistent basis. It's much different than how critics and triple-AAA studio employees act (which is more like Hollywood were few critics are considered of the same class and are welcome to hang out).

My opinion is that this is an industry that grew up too fast and its growing pains are now becoming public knowledge. People who know this are becoming more uncomfortable about it. Giant Bomb remains my favorite site for several reasons but I always appreciated how they not only made their acquaintances public but celebrated them. I mean, Gerstmann isn't Dave Lang's roommate ... although, that would make for hilarious videos.

#5 Posted by LonelySpacePanda (122 posts) -

@juno500 said:

@hunter5024 said:

@juno500 said:

@hunter5024 said:

What if there was a biologist that made a discovery, and he told everybody about it. Then his university had to fire him because the fallout of his discovery made them look really bad. Then what if they went and told all the other universities not to talk to him, and that made it impossible for the biologist to get a new job. What if there was a law against that?

Would you care to show how what happened in the GJP group is illegal?

This is taken directly from the article.

"Wrongful combinations against workers.—If two or more persons shall agree, conspire, combine or confederate together for the purpose of preventing any person from procuring work in any firm or corporation, or to cause the discharge of any person from work in such firm or corporation; or if any person shall verbally or by written or printed communication, threaten any injury to life, property or business of any person for the purpose of procuring the discharge of any worker in any firm or corporation, or to prevent any person from procuring work in such firm or corporation, such persons so combining shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s.775.083."

Here's the thing: As Scott Nichols argued in the link I put up earlier, the author seeking work already made his ethical breach public. He was the one who outed a transwoman, a serious ethical breach. This was already public info. This was not editors sharing private information, this was editors reminding people of information that was already public. To quote Nichols directly:

"The second GameJournoPros involvement was when North posted in the group that Pinsof was trying to contact editors for work again. If that linked article had any commitment to honesty, it would have also shown that past the joke responses to North were responses that they already weren't planning to work with him due to his prior irresponsible ethical breach, or people saying they forgot about that situation and thanking for the heads up about a freelancer of questionable ethics. One of the other functions that the group serves is for editors to share with other editors which freelancers are good/bad to work with. This is not conspiring either. It was never the group coming together saying "nobody hire this guy" it was bunch of individual editors saying "Oh god, him again? I wasn't going to hire that guy anyway because of how he conducted himself previously." But to your question, no, I do not think it is a problem for the group to be used to inform editors of writers who have low ethical standards in their writing. He blacklisted himself through his actions, not because the group conspired to make him some untouchable writer."

Basically, Pinsof couldn't find work NOT due to a conspiracy, he couldn't find work because his own breach of ethics were already known.

That's a half truth that I'd like to clear up, being GB is my favorite place online. I did do that shitty thing but I did it because I was fed false information: http://imgur.com/ajKeLio Why else did I conceal her identity and charity for a month and (ironically) sent angry emails to other outlets that were pressuring her to come out?

This author (who wrote my story with his own motives) failed to emphasis that my employer didn't merely encourage people to blacklist, but also to not hear my side of the story (which is what has come out now via leaked emails that back my above statement).

I don't think anyone would disagree that what I did was wrong, but feeding me bad information that led to that decision, covering it up, and manipulating other outlets to not hear my side of the story and proof is ALSO WRONG. I eventually was offered work at major sites but by then I wanted nothing to do with this industry. People are bringing my story up so I naturally feel a need to talk about it.

I am allies with Zoe Quinn, remain neutral on GamerGate, question the actions going on in this industry, battle any bigotry, and love GB like no other.

If you feel like this is something to be examined, let @patrickklepek know. I'd love to talk to someone that isn't knee deep in this stuff but I know is a good reporter.

#6 Posted by LonelySpacePanda (122 posts) -

I'm not the biggest fan of Silent Hill but I enjoyed 1-3 upon release. The thing I liked about those games is how they built dread and tension through atmosphere and inventively grim environments. We don't know how much this P.T. teaser is representative of the finished product, but it is derivative and lacks the creativity that the series' best efforts are known for. I wouldn't say jump scares (turn a corner and BAM!) are always awful, but I don't like any horror game or film that depends fully on them, as P.T. does. The entire game is literally turning corners hoping not to find something awful and LOUD. It's effective but that doesn't make me like it. I'm not a real horror junkie I guess since I'm mostly in for atmosphere, which is why I like things like Dawn of the Dead and Suspria and not The Conjuring. The thing is, however, is that Silent Hill was primarily influenced by Suspiria and the paintings of Francis Bacon -- art that took the known and made it eerily alien to the human eye. P.T. seems to be shedding this aspect in favor of modern horror conventions of sickly, long haired girls screaming and hiding around corners. It's perfectly fine but don't act like "Yeah, Silent Hill is back!"

#7 Posted by LonelySpacePanda (122 posts) -

I recently discovered Giant Bomb is the fastest way to make a list for my backlog: http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/lonelyspacepanda/lists/backlog/90813/

Unaware of the 100 entry limit and not interested in the unordered list (since you can't move items around), I somehow got 102 entries on the list with the overflow (last two) going to a separate page. Now I'm stuck, unable to further modify the list. If I delete the last two (or more) entries, it thinks the list is empty and won't save. If I delete any from first page, it still thinks I have over 100. I even tried deleting from first page and renumbering but it still doesn't work. It's not the end of the world but its a pretty annoying bug. Apologies if this has been reported before.

Not a bug but as previously stated it'd be nice to have the same ease of reordering in non-ordered list. Namesake aside, I think most people still want access to change the order of non-ordered list -- I imagine many, like myself, really just care about whether the list is numbered or not. Numbered list and non-numbered list would make more sense than ordered and non-ordered. This is what exists on RateYourMusic.com and as a long time member there, I can say it works very well. In fact, I've used it as my primary source for listmaking but would like to turn to Giant Bomb since it greatly quickens the process of finding game titles and automatically adding box art. It also helps that this is a gaming-exclusive community and one I love very much :D

Thanks for reading!

#8 Edited by LonelySpacePanda (122 posts) -

I just realized Vinny & Alex have never been on a QL together as a duo. In fact, they have only been in the same room together on 3 quick looks (see: http://qlcrew.com/). This makes this setup really unpredictable. I flat out don't enjoy Alex's presence at all, his forced smarmy, cynicism is like bad '90s film critic back with a vengeance, but I love every minute Vinny is on a video. I wonder if they'll balance each other out.

#9 Posted by LonelySpacePanda (122 posts) -

Passive voice, Patrick? tsk tsk.

#10 Posted by LonelySpacePanda (122 posts) -

Too bad this news post was overshadowed by the announcement of Game Bomb Ukraine and Game Bomb Russia.