A question about working in a union? Any help appreciated!

I don't really care much about this, but the other guy at my work seemed to care a lot more. It really wasn't a big deal, but it was more just my curiosity that leads me to asking this question (also so I can deny him for the next time).
 
So I work at No Frills (grocery store) during the summer which is part of a Union. I do my job fine there, and had had experience at another store during the previous summer. Anyway, this guy there who had been there since morning on this particular shift (much the same had happened last Tuesday as well) - was doing barely anything in our department. I was taking out cart fulls of items each time to put on the floor, while he puts out one item at a time - barely making a difference.
 
The thing is that he has been in the union longer than me - thereby having seniority. Now that's not really the issue although he made me angry for doing almost no work - which made me miss a break and work a straight 7 hours before having a 15 minute breather (I know it's an easy job but it's an annoyance)... well he came up to me with this to-do list. It was stuff I already do everytime I close, and that is quite routine.
 
But he asks me to sign it... just a simple to-do list - he asks for my signature and says that he will photocopy it as well. I said, "Is this required by the union or are you just making me sign something for your sake?"
 
He suddenly got all anxious and angry, saying that he will call in union reps to lecture me etc. (me thinking that he is over exaggerating the whole circumstance) Eventually he went to a manager who just said - he's just asking for your understanding to sign the note. I just signed it to shut him up really.
 
I couldn't really find any information on this - but is there anything that actually binds me to sign such a stupid thing? I mean within the union?
 
It's really not a big deal, but I am pretty sure there is nothing that binds me to sign just a to-do list that a senior employee made. Would be at least good to know if someone could help? I'd like to throw this douche a quick one two. :p

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Posted by LtColJaxson

I don't really care much about this, but the other guy at my work seemed to care a lot more. It really wasn't a big deal, but it was more just my curiosity that leads me to asking this question (also so I can deny him for the next time).
 
So I work at No Frills (grocery store) during the summer which is part of a Union. I do my job fine there, and had had experience at another store during the previous summer. Anyway, this guy there who had been there since morning on this particular shift (much the same had happened last Tuesday as well) - was doing barely anything in our department. I was taking out cart fulls of items each time to put on the floor, while he puts out one item at a time - barely making a difference.
 
The thing is that he has been in the union longer than me - thereby having seniority. Now that's not really the issue although he made me angry for doing almost no work - which made me miss a break and work a straight 7 hours before having a 15 minute breather (I know it's an easy job but it's an annoyance)... well he came up to me with this to-do list. It was stuff I already do everytime I close, and that is quite routine.
 
But he asks me to sign it... just a simple to-do list - he asks for my signature and says that he will photocopy it as well. I said, "Is this required by the union or are you just making me sign something for your sake?"
 
He suddenly got all anxious and angry, saying that he will call in union reps to lecture me etc. (me thinking that he is over exaggerating the whole circumstance) Eventually he went to a manager who just said - he's just asking for your understanding to sign the note. I just signed it to shut him up really.
 
I couldn't really find any information on this - but is there anything that actually binds me to sign such a stupid thing? I mean within the union?
 
It's really not a big deal, but I am pretty sure there is nothing that binds me to sign just a to-do list that a senior employee made. Would be at least good to know if someone could help? I'd like to throw this douche a quick one two. :p

Posted by Xeiphyer

Dude don't sign anything ever unless you are told by your manager or whatever that you have to.
 
 A fellow employee has no business asking you for your signature on anything. If its something you need to sign, your manager or union whatever will tell you so. Maybe he wants your signature so he can forge a document in your name, or so he can write a letter to the manager saying that you want to deposit $200 of each paycheck into a separate account, his account.
 
Bottom line, never give out any information ever to somebody you don't have to.

Posted by angelfan91

Well, legally you never have to sign anything.  But, if you are going to sign something take the time to read it.  If they will not let you read it then don't sign.  Just because someone has seniority or is a supervisor doesn't mean you have to sign anything they give you.  Worst come to worst, a union rep comes to the store and explains the situation to you.   
 
However, if this employee is not working tell a supervisor.  Just curious, is the guy in question your store's union representative?
Posted by LtColJaxson
@angelfan91 said:
" Well, legally you never have to sign anything.  But, if you are going to sign something take the time to read it.  If they will not let you read it then don't sign.  Just because someone has seniority or is a supervisor doesn't mean you have to sign anything they give you.  Worst come to worst, a union rep comes to the store and explains the situation to you.    However, if this employee is not working tell a supervisor.  Just curious, is the guy in question your store's union representative? "
No he's not. He's just a 50 year old guy who is working full time - he's been there about a year (I had worked at Sobey's for a year previously during HS until I moved out for University). 
 
This is exactly what I thought - and don't worry I had read it. It wasn't anything incriminating - it was just a to-do list. The point is that he was demanding me to sign something and said it was because I was in a union. He even was daring enough to say that me not signing it, 'would not hold up in a court of law.' (I said to him, "Stupid things like this don't make it to a court of law.")
 
I am going to complain about this employee today (less about the letter and more about his lack of ability to do work), and hopefully the manager can take a bit of action. It was my understanding that other employees know that he slacks off, but nobody has complained.
 
Anyway, thanks for the help - I had thought this was the case.
Posted by iam3green

funny stuff. stupid people that do nothing at work while other people are doing their job. i think every job has this kind of person out there.

Posted by ThatFrood

Union's can be pretty awful. 's all I'm saying.

Posted by LtColJaxson
@iam3green said:
" funny stuff. stupid people that do nothing at work while other people are doing their job. i think every job has this kind of person out there. "
Yeah it is a rather funny predicament - he is a typical old man too, always saying, "dem kids!"
 
He blames all the younger people (basically as a scapegoat for himself) so he can continue to prance around pretending to keep himself busy. I spoke to the manager about it today though and she said she had some suspicions about him so that they would 'sit down and have a serious talk.' Justice with a side order of cookies... mhm
Posted by RenegadeSaint

I'd probably just sign it and move on.  Actually, do some extra stuff and then add it on to the list, just to show him you do more than that.