So Activision just saved me 60 bucks.


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Im not buying MW2 for PC, and if I do it will be several months after release when its cheaper. They cut dedicated server support and mods from the game so they could make it like a console game. Jeff is right it is a console port, but so was 4, and most could argue so was WAW and 2, but they both had server browsers. And yea, it still has that great multiplayer but half my time in call of duty games has been spent on mod servers. 
 
They have no reason to cut support like that, they are lazy, does anyone feel like their experience playing call of duty on a console has been hurt by PC players getting some special stuff? Because thats their excuse for making all versions equal. Robert Bowling better fucking explain himself... I hoped IW was better than this. I never thought consoles would make PC games worse, but they have.  
 
Developers feel the need to set the bar as low as possible and make it like a console game, when they could actually improve it and make a better game overall. But who am I kidding, developers aren't about making GOOD games anymore. 
 
And yea, sorry if this doesnt make any sense, im just pissed.
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Posted by Mikemcn

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Im not buying MW2 for PC, and if I do it will be several months after release when its cheaper. They cut dedicated server support and mods from the game so they could make it like a console game. Jeff is right it is a console port, but so was 4, and most could argue so was WAW and 2, but they both had server browsers. And yea, it still has that great multiplayer but half my time in call of duty games has been spent on mod servers. 
 
They have no reason to cut support like that, they are lazy, does anyone feel like their experience playing call of duty on a console has been hurt by PC players getting some special stuff? Because thats their excuse for making all versions equal. Robert Bowling better fucking explain himself... I hoped IW was better than this. I never thought consoles would make PC games worse, but they have.  
 
Developers feel the need to set the bar as low as possible and make it like a console game, when they could actually improve it and make a better game overall. But who am I kidding, developers aren't about making GOOD games anymore. 
 
And yea, sorry if this doesnt make any sense, im just pissed.
Posted by dbz1995

To post a blog to a specific forum, you have to search the desired forum, then go into the left, where you will see at the bottom 'forums'. This is where you can add your own topic.
 
And yes, it is quiet upsetting. Not being a PC gamer, I don't know how good the dedicated servers were, however, when playing, it always is a bitch when the host ends the game, connection times out, etc.

Posted by Lind_L_Taylor

Well, COD4 set the standard so MW2 has extremely high expectations.  They're probably catering to the largest audience & forgetting their roots.  I remember when it was easy to get into the COD4 beta, but now the franchise is so popular, they laughed at the thought of offering a beta. Because now it's a cash cow & they don't have to care about making sure everybody is happy with the game to make money.

Posted by Mikemcn
@Lind_L_Taylor said:
"Well, COD4 set the standard so MW2 has extremely high expectations.  They're probably catering to the largest audience & forgetting their roots.  I remember when it was easy to get into the COD4 beta, but now the franchise is so popular, they laughed at the thought of offering a beta. Because now it's a cash cow & they don't have to care about making sure everybody is happy with the game to make money. "
Its going to go the Guitar Hero Route, they'll milk it for all its worth and quality will go down, but this time it will be for everyone.
 
@dbz1995 said:
"To post a blog to a specific forum, you have to search the desired forum, then go into the left, where you will see at the bottom 'forums'. This is where you can add your own topic.  And yes, it is quiet upsetting. Not being a PC gamer, I don't know how good the dedicated servers were, however, when playing, it always is a bitch when the host ends the game, connection times out, etc. "

Ok my bad, ive only posted one other blog and that was months ago haha 
 
With dedicated servers, you could choose from a list of servers and choose the one that had the least lag, the best mod, or whatever gameplay settings you wanted. Without dedicated servers you cannot do any of that, basically Activision and IW get to say what you can and cannot do with a game. Yes it will make it easier to play with your friends, but thats about it. 
 
Posted by canucks23

PC games have slowly been getting worse for all games now compared to consoles. It was just a matter of time before this stuff happened. The next IW game probably wont even be on pc.

Posted by Mikemcn
@canucks23 said:
"PC games have slowly been getting worse for all games now compared to consoles. It was just a matter of time before this stuff happened. The next IW game probably wont even be on pc. "

Im just angry their making the multiplayer WORSE this time on pc, they don't have to make it better, just let us have a server broswer like in 4.
Posted by jakob187

Also, I would suggest against posting the blog to the forums, as this topic already has a thread that has a LOT of commenting done on it.  However, I personally think this is constructed in a much different way.

Posted by mehteh

Typical PC developer gone console to make easy money off shallow games

Posted by Nfinit_Vylence

Yeah, at some point immediately following the Blizzard buyout Activision turned overtly evil.  What this is probably about is crippling the mod community so they can sell DLC.  Either that or a dedicated attempt at killing the PC market for CoD so they can justify not making PC games at all.

Posted by natetodamax

What is so bad about dedicated servers?

Posted by torus
@natetodamax: Letting people run dedicated servers makes it extremely easy for pirates to play online. 
 
Of course, I have no doubt that they will find a way regardless.
Edited by Meteora
@natetodamax: The rant as far as I'm aware of is the therefore lack of a dedicated server for MW2 on the PC.
 
Then again I just skimmed over the topic so...
Posted by Nfinit_Vylence
@torus said:
" @natetodamax: Letting people run dedicated servers makes it extremely easy for pirates to play online.  Of course, I have no doubt that they will find a way regardless. "
It will also allow Activision to kill MW2 support whenever they see fit and force gamers to go to the next CoD game.  Pirate servers will still exist, players have been running private MMO shards as long as the genre's been alive.  But they can make it enough of a pain in the ass for your average PC gamer that they'll just buy into the XBL/PSN model.
Posted by Delta_Ass

I'm glad more people are now sharing my dislike for Call of Duty MW 2.

Posted by Emandudeguyperson
@Delta_Ass said:
" I'm glad more people are now sharing my dislike for Call of Duty MW 2. "
Posted by SumDeus

As a 360 gamer I don't really care, but for PC gamers that really sucks. I never felt like I was missing anything on the PC because I enjoyed the clan matches so much on the console, so that whole 'equality' thing doesn't seem necessary to me.

Posted by Bucketdeth

Well I already had said but I will not being buying this game for any system, I'm waiting for Bad Company 2.

Posted by ch13696

I'm just glad see's what we want when they make Borderlands. They even said they're adding more stuff into the PC version. But, this is about MW2. And Activision knows that PC's are all about mods. Stupid CEO it's all his fault.

Posted by NZJem

This is how they are going to probably charge for map packs on the PC, and not give them away like they have been. Greedy Activision !

Posted by Conker

Wasn't going to buy this anyways, and this pretty much sets it into stone that I won't buy this game. Left 4 dead 2 =D
Posted by Tru3_Blu3

I've seen tons of rants about this topic. Most of them not persuasive enough to drop my pre-order. Tomorrow, I am. And I'm going to put it on Mass Effect 2 or BF: BC2.

Posted by Red

Really? You're not buying the sequel to (arguably) the best game of this generation because you can't see how much lag a server has? 
 
 
That, my friend, is garbage.

Posted by MB
@dbz1995 said:
" To post a blog to a specific forum, you have to search the desired forum, then go into the left, where you will see at the bottom 'forums'. This is where you can add your own topic. 
That's actually not even close. That's how you start forum topics in specific forums. For blogs, read here.
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Posted by noobeffect
@Red: Who are you replying to exactly? Not the OP because the issue goes further than simply, "Oh, my PC game looks like a game that belongs on a 360."
Posted by Red
@noobeffect said:
" @Red: Who are you replying to exactly? Not the OP because the issue goes further than simply, "Oh, my PC game looks like a game that belongs on a 360." "
So what if it's a 360 game? Who cares? It's going to be a pretty damn good game, even if it is just a 360 game.
Posted by ShaunassNZ

Fuck Activision ruin everything i hope IW makes another game maybe with EA, lucky me I pre-ordered Borderlands instead of this soon to be junk, sorry to sound so negative but I was thinking this game was gunna be The Shit but now it looks to go and be shit.

Posted by zkilla

I was an avid Cod 2 player and pc and loved the mod community's maps and changes to the game. But I enjoyed cod4 more in the console simply because I think they have decided(especially with the new bundle) that this is a console franchise
Posted by Ben_H
@Red said:
" Really? You're not buying the sequel to (arguably) the best game of this generation because you can't see how much lag a server has?   That, my friend, is garbage. "
Yeah, because playing with lag is so much fun.  I just found out about this lack of dedicated servers so I too am no longer buying it.  I was gonna upgrade my computer for it. I had a set of servers I always played on for COD4 that were fantastic.  I had pings of between 10-30 (crazy low, but they were really close by), I got to know other people who played the servers a lot, and I didn't have to worry about losing my connection because the host quit.  NOT having dedicated servers is one of the things that stops me from playing console games online.  Well, that and the whiny twelve year olds.
Edited by noobeffect
@Red: The question is, "Why is IW changing it now?" They've used the standard dedicated servers with server browsers model since the original Call of Duty. There is little to complain about the current system and now that IW is planning on integrating a system that revolves around them as the central authority, what will become of gaming organizations who rely on dedicated servers? I just finished playing CoD4 for PC in a server that I've been exclusively going to for the past few weeks. I like the server because it only plays Broadcast, its a 40-slot server, has nice rules with non-abusive admins and competent players, some of which are players I play with frequently. A matchmaking service like the one fourzerotwo is talking about probably won't allow the hosting of servers that play specific playlists all the time, won't have the regulars that players will know and most likely the admin could be anybody. A game could be good but when you're changing the foundation of how people engage in what is MW2's strongest component, multiplayer, then it's not outrageous for someone to say that they won't purchase the game, especially when CoD4 is a decent substitute.
Posted by Red
@Ben_H said:
" @Red said:
" Really? You're not buying the sequel to (arguably) the best game of this generation because you can't see how much lag a server has?   That, my friend, is garbage. "
Yeah, because playing with lag is so much fun.  I just found out about this lack of dedicated servers so I too am no longer buying it.  I was gonna upgrade my computer for it. I had a set of servers I always played on for COD4 that were fantastic.  I had pings of between 10-30 (crazy low, but they were really close by), I got to know other people who played the servers a lot, and I didn't have to worry about losing my connection because the host quit.  NOT having dedicated servers is one of the things that stops me from playing console games online.  Well, that and the whiny twelve year olds. "
It's not like consoles are a slideshow.
Posted by Gregomasta

My wish list for October though November was Dragon Age: Origins, Left 4 Dead 2, and originally Borderlands & MW2 but spending $200+ on games this season just seemed a bit excessive, one had to go and it was Borderlands, obviously MW2 is a no brainier.  That was till IW shocked the pc community by taking out dedicated servers + a bunch of other shit I don't really care that much about out of MW2 PC version.  Well you know what company treats its pc users right, infact treats its pc users better then console users(no offense console users), Gearbox Software LLC Borderlands is the now obvious choice instead of MW2 not only because it's a great game but I rather support a company that cares for my preferred gaming platform, and too spite IW.

Posted by Red
@noobeffect: True, but treating MW2 as some garbage game not worth buying (and making no mention to the single player or the co-op) without dedicated servers is a wee bit ridiculous.
Edited by jakob187

You know, I thought that it was pretty tricky what Blizzard was doing with the whole Battle.net merge to prevent the selling of accounts.  However, that pales in comparison to something like taking away dedicated servers. 
 
@Red said:

" @noobeffect: True, but treating MW2 as some garbage game not worth buying (and making no mention to the single player or the co-op) without dedicated servers is a wee bit ridiculous. "
I'm sure the game and how it plays is gonna be just great.  That doesn't mean I want to support a company that makes a really great game and then rips apart everything that made the PC versions of Call of Duty a worthwhile endeavor.  =  /
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Posted by Mikemcn
@Tru3_Blu3 said:
"I've seen tons of rants about this topic. Most of them not persuasive enough to drop my pre-order. Tomorrow, I am. And I'm going to put it on Mass Effect 2 or BF: BC2. "
Im thinking bad company is the way to go, its their first PC game of the franchise, so it should have solid support for PC oriented aspects of gaming.
 
@Red said:
" @noobeffect said:
" @Red: Who are you replying to exactly? Not the OP because the issue goes further than simply, "Oh, my PC game looks like a game that belongs on a 360." "
So what if it's a 360 game? Who cares? It's going to be a pretty damn good game, even if it is just a 360 game. "
Yea, the single player will be alot of fun, but i played call of duty on PC because of all the advantages in multiplayer, and they've just ruined that. I can watch videos on youtube to find out how they attack the capital, thats all i really care for in singleplayer.
 
@MB said:
" @dbz1995 said:
" To post a blog to a specific forum, you have to search the desired forum, then go into the left, where you will see at the bottom 'forums'. This is where you can add your own topic. 
That's actually not even close. That's how you start forum topics in specific forums. For blogs, read here. "

Thanks 
  
Edited by Sjupp
@Bucketdeth said:

" Well I already had said but I will not being buying this game for any system, I'm waiting for Bad Company 2. "

This.
Posted by iam3green

dang that really sucks. this is why PC gaming is dieing, it's because companies don't care to much about PC gaming. they make it just like the console. i just think that they should keep the dedicated servers as i hate playing cod and the game stops because of the host ending the game. 
 
why take out mod support. i just think that mods are the one thing that is great about PC gaming. there are always ways to make a game play longer with mods.

Posted by Hamburger_Technology
Well, this game just dropped from my must buy list. Single player is all well and good but most of my time spent with CoD4 was online. My experience with matchmaking on consoles has generally been pretty crap being in Australia. 
 
@Red said:
It's not like consoles are a slideshow. "

He's not talking about FPS problems, he's talking about ping, i.e. the response time between you and the server hosting the game.
Posted by AhmadMetallic

Yeah.. i knew something had to go wrong from the beginning.. the game looks too good to be true 

Posted by mhkjtha
@Lind_L_Taylor said:
"Well, COD4 set the standard so MW2 has extremely high expectations.  They're probably catering to the largest audience & forgetting their roots.  I remember when it was easy to get into the COD4 beta, but now the franchise is so popular, they laughed at the thought of offering a beta. Because now it's a cash cow & they don't have to care about making sure everybody is happy with the game to make money. "
they shouldnt "cater to their roots", they should create the best online experience possible. 
and that would be to allow dedicated servers.
Posted by Korwin

It's much worse for the internation community.  People living inside the US have never had to put up with the extreme lag problem that international gamers have been lumped with due to the ever growing populatrity of match making among developers.  You think 80 ping is bad, try 500.  I ditched COD4 on 360 due to its horrible online for Australian players and went to the PC version, now MW2 will be just as unplayble on that platform.
 
Of course nobody seems to give a shit about gamers living outside of North America, most dev's dont even care to know if we exist.
 
Damn  I hate matchmaking.

Posted by Mikemcn
@Red said:
" @noobeffect: True, but treating MW2 as some garbage game not worth buying (and making no mention to the single player or the co-op) without dedicated servers is a wee bit ridiculous. "

The Singleplayer will be over in under 10 hours, i'll be amazed if it even lasts 5, co-op will require matchmaking which is my whole issue with it, multiplayer is what i enjoy in COD.
Posted by Hannibal

I might just buy MW2 for PC to piss off the dedicated server nutbags who go all nerdrage over the dumbest shit.

Posted by Bubahula
@Red said:
" @noobeffect: True, but treating MW2 as some garbage game not worth buying (and making no mention to the single player or the co-op) without dedicated servers is a wee bit ridiculous. "
this. the game itself is still the same
Posted by RsistncE
@Red: My friend if you played on PC's you would know why this is such a big deal. I play a lot on Live and on my PC and LIve never gets close the buttery smoothness I get on my PC. Not to mention the horrendous lag that you sometimes suffer on Live that is basically non-existant on PC's because you can pick your server with the lowest ping. Either way I'm really tired over this topic. Activision fucked up. People get angry. Some people don't buy game. Blah. I won't be buying it for my PC not much more I can do about it than that.
Posted by Sir_Hugo_Sherwodywody

I get the feeling this game might turn into another spore. Angry PC gamers ruin Amazon's rating and pirate the game. Ill still be buying it out of some kind of false hope they will replace dedicated servers.

Posted by TonicBH

I am in the boat of considering canceling my preorder, but it's for the 360 edition. I'm sure it'll still be a fun game regardless, but I do play PC games and I have to stand for my PC gaming brethren even if I don't play PC games as much as I used to.

Edited by MachoFantastico

Have to admit that I'm reconsidering, there are other games worthy of my time this year. I have always loved the Call of Duty series, after all it started on PC. Never really liked playing them on console and I hated the multiplayer on the console version, never felt right to me. But all this mess as made me wonder if purchasing is the right thing. That and the fact that Modern Warfare 2 just isn't exciting me right now for some reason. 

Posted by BawlZINmotion

Jeff Green said it best, PC sales aren't down, they're actually up, people just got fucking greedy. 

Posted by Whisperkill

Activision sucks Donkey balls, old news...
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