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#1 Posted by Milkman (17192 posts) -

@constantryan: @byrjun: Mike is a personal hero of mine. He's one of the most intelligent and powerful voices we as Americans have right now. I hope people cherish it.

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#2 Posted by Milkman (17192 posts) -

@milkman said:

@athleticshark said:

@milkman: I'm not about to justify the news but at some point these are people making the decisions. Our culture and our country.

Also generalizing and relating the founding of our country to rioting leaves me speechless. A little thing called the revolutionary war happened.

Obviously, I would prefer if people didn't riot. But I'm not going to let that distract from the real issue here.

I'm not sure your point with your last statement. The United States of America was literally founded on riots and protest over taxes.

Just reading through the thread to catch up, and I can't help but comment on this. Comparing what happened in colonial America to Ferguson is disingenuous. I assume you are alluding to events such as the Boston Tea party, an event with a clear goal and message. Ferguson is chaos and looting as the family of the victim calls for peace. The concerns of the colonists were being aired for years before war broke out (ex: Virginia house of burgesses). These grievances were levied against a Parliamentary Monarchy, which is a far cry from means in which people in our society today can protest/change government. The events in Ferguson are a reaction to a single event of perceived injustice.

If Ferguson is in some way equivalent to the founding of the United States, then what protest isn't it comparable to.

Sorry, you are one hundred percent wrong here. Ferguson is not a reaction to a single event of perceived injustice. It's a reaction to hundreds and hundreds of years of injustice. If it wasn't Michael Brown, it would have been Eric Garner or Tamir Rice or Trayvon Martin. You are missing the big picture.

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#3 Posted by Milkman (17192 posts) -

@mcfart said:

@truthtellah said:

As a reminder, property can be replaced, but Michael Brown's life cannot.

The biggest tragedy today remains the potential failure of justice which reflects upon the sad reality of inequality that many minorities in America cannot escape.

They're actually promoting future discrimination by doing this. They responded to discrimination...by burning their own community to the ground. People watching the news probably think they're savages. Blacks aren't helping their image here.

The last thing anyone in Ferguson should give a shit about is "their image." Anyone watching this and thinking it reflects on the black race was just watching to confirm their hatred anyway. Respectfully...fuck 'em.

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#4 Edited by Milkman (17192 posts) -

@truthtellah: Pictured here, a San Francisco THUG destroys city property. But let's be fair, he was really happy that his favorite baseball team won.

@drdarkstryfe said:

We are probably seeing the death of a community tonight. The amount of businesses that are on fire right now is only going up. Several of these places are privately owned, and not chain places.

The fire department has been unable to do a thing because shots are still being fired.

That's probably the worst, is the collateral damage. I was watching a live stream, and a protester is up in the face of a cop screaming at him, who had nothing to do with Wilson or the case, but is forced to deal with this particular man because of the color of his clothes.

Yeah, I can't imagine how it must feel to be treated that unfairly and that unjustly because of color.

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#5 Posted by Milkman (17192 posts) -

@stonyman65: The idea that there has been non-stop looting is straight up untrue. The vast majority of the protests the last few months have been completely peaceful. All the violence in Ferguson took place a few select nights. Until I see any reports from tonight that say otherwise, Darren Wilson has still killed more people than any Ferguson protesters.

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#6 Posted by Milkman (17192 posts) -

@milkman said:

@stonyman65:

Waiting until kids are out of school and people home from work was a really good idea now that I think about it.

The less people out and about the better right now.

That doesn't make any sense. The way to assure that people aren't on the streets is to make sure they're at work. Doing at it 9 PM gives people plenty of time to get off work, maybe head over to the bar for a couple drinks and congregate right where they're expected to be.

It makes total sense. A lot of the businesses and stores that people are employed at are being looted. If those people were at work, chances are they would be in the buildings that are getting blazed to the ground. The safest place for anyone to be right now is at home away from all the madness. It's only a matter of time until the National Guard comes in and locks everything down.

Again, my point is that those people looting wouldn't be on the streets at all. And we have a very different idea of what's happening if you think that they would be literally burning people alive in their stores.

This all just speaks to my original point. 90% of this thread is about the riots. Michael Brown is a secondary story to Little Caesar's being on fire. You can come up with any excuse you want for why they did what they did but no matter the reasons, it worked.

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#7 Posted by Milkman (17192 posts) -

Cop was shot responding to a call at a Mcdonalds. He's being sent to the hospital, no info on condition.

Edit: another cop shot. That's 2 in 5 mins.

Do you have a link to this? I'm not seeing this anywhere.

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#8 Edited by Milkman (17192 posts) -

@stonyman65:

Waiting until kids are out of school and people home from work was a really good idea now that I think about it.

The less people out and about the better right now.

That doesn't make any sense. The way to assure that people aren't on the streets is to make sure they're at work. Doing at it 9 PM gives people plenty of time to get off work, maybe head over to the bar for a couple drinks and congregate right where they're expected to be.

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#9 Posted by Milkman (17192 posts) -

@xseanzx said:

@milkman said:

The decision to not indict Darren Wilson was decided upon at about 1 PM today. Yet it was not announced until 9 PM. This is what we call changing the narrative. You announce a decision like this in the middle of day, any kind of uproar or protest is easier to control. In the middle of the night, it's much more difficult. They want you to turn on the news and see what you see. "Look at these people. They're rioting. They're the bad guys. Not us."

The reason for not releasing the verdict until night time was due to the schools asking for the verdict to be postponed until school was released, and children could make it home safely and after-school programs could be completed.

In addition they wanted to make sure they had time to deploy units they needed to. Let's face it , we all know there would have been rioting no matter what verdict was reached. Rioting and looting are just ways to take advantage of situations like these, and any outcome can be spun to try and justify the behavior.

I think it is a little foolish to jump to conclusions when it comes to that point.

Do you think they're gonna light a school on fire? If anything that's even more of a reason to announce it during the day, much less people on the streets since they're all at work or in school already. Anyone who's paid even a little bit of attention to what's happened in Ferguson in the last few months knows that by and large all of the day protests have been calm. It's only at night when things escalate.

@milkman: I'm not about to justify the news but at some point these are people making the decisions. Our culture and our country.

Also generalizing and relating the founding of our country to rioting leaves me speechless. A little thing called the revolutionary war happened.

Obviously, I would prefer if people didn't riot. But I'm not going to let that distract from the real issue here.

I'm not sure your point with your last statement. The United States of America was literally founded on riots and protest over taxes.

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#10 Edited by Milkman (17192 posts) -

@athleticshark said:

@milkman: I'm confused. You are justifying rioting? It shouldn't happen no matter what. It is a shame people can't control themselves

Not justifying it but I completely disagree with the narrative that the riots are more important than the person who was killed. When the average person thinks Ferguson, they think riots because that's what we're shown. The fact that someone died almost becomes secondary.

Also, side note, don't forget how this country was founded. Riots and protests are as American as baseball and apple pie.

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