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#2 Edited by mrfluke (5154 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@truthtellah said:

@mrfluke said:

@hailinel said:

@truthtellah said:

@hailinel said:

@truthtellah said:

@mrfluke said:

@truthtellah said:

Every since the original reveal, Microsoft was damned if they do, damned if they don't.

yea but id like to think the tides have turned and the people complaining about the family sharing thing are the minority now that the DRM thing is out and people are more interested in the system now that there is no DRM.

kind of seems that way imo,

Well, I think the issue is bigger than just the family sharing, general game sharing, or even the no-disc convenience. They likely had bigger things in mind; though, they may still somehow get back to them later. With the system they were setting up, they had the potential to finally have a Steam-like game store for a console. They could possibly resolve the used games issue by having digital prices diminish as they do on PC, making new digital even cheaper than used. While I can understand the pushback here, I think this would have likely helped the digital future come sooner, and as an avid PC gamer, that's a very appealing prospect on consoles.

People keep saying that they had the potential for a Steam-like store for a console, but you honestly think that Microsoft of all companies would actually go through with that? There's a pretty wide gulf between the ideal reality and...well, everything else.

It definitely wouldn't be out of some altruism. heh. No, I believe they are hoping to one day establish a Steam-like store for a console because it would make them, pardon my French, a "fuckton" of money. If they could get a store like that before Sony, they could have a scenario where even multiplatform titles are cheaper than those available from Sony, and they would have more developers looking to get in on a store which would make them more money initially and in the longterm. It might also give them more flexibility with their titles and feel like they get the benefits of both a console and a PC release. It would take time to establish, but I think both Sony and Microsoft are hoping to one day get to that future first.

And yet, Microsoft still insists that developers sign with publishers to publish their digital content. Microsoft sees the dollar signs, but they're lacking in some basic sense.

yep, the vitriol that indies have said about the way microsoft rolls and the amount of money they charge for patches and publsihing makes me find it hard to believe their sales would be as quick and as aggressive as steam,

Now sony, this new sony that consumers are seeing, i can see adopting the digital stuff in line with what that group wants, dont forget, they are introducing gaikai next year, gaikai has ambitions to become the fastest network in the world, and sony did allow some sort of steam functionality with portal 2, AND with the way how combative they are against microsoft, i wouldnt be surprised if they use their cloud tech and do a family sharing plan as well.

Shu yoshida has teased that they do have more announcements to reveal at gamescom.

Speaking of Gamescom. Since there were rumors that Gamescom was going to have some bad news from Microsoft, does this now mean they might actually have good news there? ;D

Everything's crazy in the world of Microsoft and Sony right now. Maybe Nintendo could announce something nutty, as well, and really confuse gamers.

At Gamescom, Nintendo will announce they're bringing back Space World. Then at Space World, they bring Gabe Newell on stage, and Reggie lets it be known to the world.

STEAM FOR WII U, BITCHES.

We call our collaboration, the Nintendo SteamCube!

:P
#3 Posted by mrfluke (5154 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@truthtellah said:

@mrfluke said:

@hailinel said:

@truthtellah said:

@hailinel said:

@truthtellah said:

@mrfluke said:

@truthtellah said:

Every since the original reveal, Microsoft was damned if they do, damned if they don't.

yea but id like to think the tides have turned and the people complaining about the family sharing thing are the minority now that the DRM thing is out and people are more interested in the system now that there is no DRM.

kind of seems that way imo,

Well, I think the issue is bigger than just the family sharing, general game sharing, or even the no-disc convenience. They likely had bigger things in mind; though, they may still somehow get back to them later. With the system they were setting up, they had the potential to finally have a Steam-like game store for a console. They could possibly resolve the used games issue by having digital prices diminish as they do on PC, making new digital even cheaper than used. While I can understand the pushback here, I think this would have likely helped the digital future come sooner, and as an avid PC gamer, that's a very appealing prospect on consoles.

People keep saying that they had the potential for a Steam-like store for a console, but you honestly think that Microsoft of all companies would actually go through with that? There's a pretty wide gulf between the ideal reality and...well, everything else.

It definitely wouldn't be out of some altruism. heh. No, I believe they are hoping to one day establish a Steam-like store for a console because it would make them, pardon my French, a "fuckton" of money. If they could get a store like that before Sony, they could have a scenario where even multiplatform titles are cheaper than those available from Sony, and they would have more developers looking to get in on a store which would make them more money initially and in the longterm. It might also give them more flexibility with their titles and feel like they get the benefits of both a console and a PC release. It would take time to establish, but I think both Sony and Microsoft are hoping to one day get to that future first.

And yet, Microsoft still insists that developers sign with publishers to publish their digital content. Microsoft sees the dollar signs, but they're lacking in some basic sense.

yep, the vitriol that indies have said about the way microsoft rolls and the amount of money they charge for patches and publsihing makes me find it hard to believe their sales would be as quick and as aggressive as steam,

Now sony, this new sony that consumers are seeing, i can see adopting the digital stuff in line with what that group wants, dont forget, they are introducing gaikai next year, gaikai has ambitions to become the fastest network in the world, and sony did allow some sort of steam functionality with portal 2, AND with the way how combative they are against microsoft, i wouldnt be surprised if they use their cloud tech and do a family sharing plan as well.

Shu yoshida has teased that they do have more announcements to reveal at gamescom.

Speaking of Gamescom. Since there were rumors that Gamescom was going to have some bad news from Microsoft, does this now mean they might actually have good news there? ;D

Everything's crazy in the world of Microsoft and Sony right now. Maybe Nintendo could announce something nutty, as well, and really confuse gamers.

At Gamescom, Nintendo will announce they're bringing back Space World. Then at Space World, they bring Gabe Newell on stage, and Reggie lets it be known to the world.

STEAM FOR WII U, BITCHES.

Ha!, that would be all levels of crazy and would rally the digital pc zealot crowd.

im putting bets that sony has some sort of sharing plan in the works now though.

#4 Posted by mrfluke (5154 posts) -

@mrfluke said:

@toowalrus: ps4 has gaikai, don't count them out on cloud stuff if thats what your thinking.

Besides jeff has said all that cloud stuff is just more for server side tech than anything else.

Gaikai isn't at all the same thing that the Xbox One cloud is. Gaikai is On Live. It's streaming Ps3 games to your Ps4.

The Xbox One cloud service is for anything the devs can think to use it for. That could be storage for updates, dedicated servers for multiplayer, or like in Titanfall, it can be used to process elements of gameplay (Titanfall runs all of the AI on the servers).

I'm not sure what you thought "The Cloud" was, but it's always been a term used to describe a server farm that you connect to off site.

its a lot more than just BC compatibility, you should watch the ps4 reveal again. and look at how combative sony has been, would not be surprised if they are able to twist the gaikai tech for sharing,

if not that, i would not be surprised if more things like this happen now. http://www.ps3trophies.org/forum/portal-2/107889-portal-2-ps3-steam-integration-faq.html

#5 Edited by mrfluke (5154 posts) -

Dont forget digital zealots/elitists, sony has gaikai, they do have their own cloud technology,.

and dont forget they did have some sort of STEAM cross play functionality with portal 2 on the ps3,

http://www.ps3trophies.org/forum/portal-2/107889-portal-2-ps3-steam-integration-faq.html

so its not too hard to imagine that this sort of infrastructure can still be done on ps4.

dont be surprised if they end up doing the sharing plan. they are very directly combating Microsoft.

and dont be surprised if they do the pipe dream, and announce full on steam compatibility as they are much much more likely to do it than MS.

#6 Posted by mrfluke (5154 posts) -

they kind of didnt end the persona 4 arena storyline, so i imagine the continuation of that is first.

but i think tgs you get a tease of persona 5,

#7 Edited by mrfluke (5154 posts) -

this poll makes me happy

#8 Posted by mrfluke (5154 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@truthtellah said:

@hailinel said:

@truthtellah said:

@mrfluke said:

@truthtellah said:

Every since the original reveal, Microsoft was damned if they do, damned if they don't.

yea but id like to think the tides have turned and the people complaining about the family sharing thing are the minority now that the DRM thing is out and people are more interested in the system now that there is no DRM.

kind of seems that way imo,

Well, I think the issue is bigger than just the family sharing, general game sharing, or even the no-disc convenience. They likely had bigger things in mind; though, they may still somehow get back to them later. With the system they were setting up, they had the potential to finally have a Steam-like game store for a console. They could possibly resolve the used games issue by having digital prices diminish as they do on PC, making new digital even cheaper than used. While I can understand the pushback here, I think this would have likely helped the digital future come sooner, and as an avid PC gamer, that's a very appealing prospect on consoles.

People keep saying that they had the potential for a Steam-like store for a console, but you honestly think that Microsoft of all companies would actually go through with that? There's a pretty wide gulf between the ideal reality and...well, everything else.

It definitely wouldn't be out of some altruism. heh. No, I believe they are hoping to one day establish a Steam-like store for a console because it would make them, pardon my French, a "fuckton" of money. If they could get a store like that before Sony, they could have a scenario where even multiplatform titles are cheaper than those available from Sony, and they would have more developers looking to get in on a store which would make them more money initially and in the longterm. It might also give them more flexibility with their titles and feel like they get the benefits of both a console and a PC release. It would take time to establish, but I think both Sony and Microsoft are hoping to one day get to that future first.

And yet, Microsoft still insists that developers sign with publishers to publish their digital content. Microsoft sees the dollar signs, but they're lacking in some basic sense.

yep, the vitriol that indies have said about the way microsoft rolls and the amount of money they charge for patches and publsihing makes me find it hard to believe their sales would be as quick and as aggressive as steam,

Now sony, this new sony that consumers are seeing, i can see adopting the digital stuff in line with what that group wants, dont forget, they are introducing gaikai next year, gaikai has ambitions to become the fastest network in the world, and sony did allow some sort of steam functionality with portal 2, AND with the way how combative they are against microsoft, i wouldnt be surprised if they use their cloud tech and do a family sharing plan as well.

Shu yoshida has teased that they do have more announcements to reveal at gamescom.

#9 Edited by mrfluke (5154 posts) -

@truthtellah said:

Every since the original reveal, Microsoft was damned if they do, damned if they don't.

yea but id like to think the tides have turned and the people complaining about the family sharing thing are the minority now that the DRM thing is out and people are more interested in the system now that there is no DRM.

kind of seems that way imo,

#10 Posted by mrfluke (5154 posts) -

@chaser324: thats ultimately what they should have done, and then allocate resources to develop the equivalent of used games market (give the users a % of digital MS currency based on supply and demand stats of X game,) and then develop a rental equivalent on digital. and then have the offline mode,

then the 100% digital device becomes a lot more enticing for the average joe, than just the device for the elitist zealot (not saying you specifically) because the options that the average joe had with physical media are fully recreated in exchange for abandoning physical media.