These HD games have spoiled me!

I recently went to PAX East and picked up a copy of Xenoblade: Chronicles whilst I was there. I've heard nothing but glowing things about the game and couldn't wait to give it a try. I sat down the weekend and cracked the game open and put the disk into my Wii, to find myself bewildered and offput. Not by the content of the game or it's quality. The hour or so I spend with it was quite engaging and I want to see what happens to these characters and their journey.

That is... if I can get passed the graphics.

I know this is an age old problem and the arguments for or against it were years passed. Still, as someone who hasn't turned on their Wii in a long... long, long time, I have to say that this HD generation has spoiled me greatly. I love pleasing visuals, but I have never been such to the point that graphics would teter me from playing a great game. I am not in this case either, but the graphics the Wii are capable of are far below that of current games and even in the case of Xenoblade, where the game is the penicle of what the Wii is capable of... it's still hard to look at really. Maybe these HD games have gotten the better of me. I will still play the game, most definitely, because graphics aren't enought to deter me from a great story and interesting gameplay. Both of which, so far, seem to be engrained in Xenoblade. With that said though, I have the feeling that I will be rubbing my terrible eyes constantly through the games massive story.

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Posted by MrPilkington

I recently went to PAX East and picked up a copy of Xenoblade: Chronicles whilst I was there. I've heard nothing but glowing things about the game and couldn't wait to give it a try. I sat down the weekend and cracked the game open and put the disk into my Wii, to find myself bewildered and offput. Not by the content of the game or it's quality. The hour or so I spend with it was quite engaging and I want to see what happens to these characters and their journey.

That is... if I can get passed the graphics.

I know this is an age old problem and the arguments for or against it were years passed. Still, as someone who hasn't turned on their Wii in a long... long, long time, I have to say that this HD generation has spoiled me greatly. I love pleasing visuals, but I have never been such to the point that graphics would teter me from playing a great game. I am not in this case either, but the graphics the Wii are capable of are far below that of current games and even in the case of Xenoblade, where the game is the penicle of what the Wii is capable of... it's still hard to look at really. Maybe these HD games have gotten the better of me. I will still play the game, most definitely, because graphics aren't enought to deter me from a great story and interesting gameplay. Both of which, so far, seem to be engrained in Xenoblade. With that said though, I have the feeling that I will be rubbing my terrible eyes constantly through the games massive story.

Posted by Claude

I had that problem when I first started playing Skyward Sword. I hadn't played my Wii in a while and jaggies were all over the place. It was a little off-putting. I got used to it after a while. Some games on the Wii aren't as bad as some though. I've been playing Little King's Story and it looks great, but it's a different type of game too.

Posted by Demoskinos

Yeah I hear you. I really don't wanna be the prick that gets hung up about graphics. I mean god I've pumped countless hours into the first Devil May Cry via the HD collection and thats the thing the game PLAYS just fine but had it not been updated and still been a blurry SD mess I might not have been as inclined to play it had it been a straight PS2 port.

Posted by TehFlan

Honestly, I don't really notice it. I mean yeah, HD looks better, but it's not like Wii games really look that bad.

Posted by nintendoeats

I find that this problem is worse for N64 and PSX games. I will often look over at my PSX shelf and think "I should play some of those some time...no.

Pretty much every other console I can deal with.

Posted by MrPilkington

I think the more technology goes forward on TV's, tech like the Wii are getting more and more hard to swallow. I remember playing Wii games years ago, along with my 360 and PS3 and not caring so much that they weren't HD. Since then, I upgraded my old 720p HDTV to a 1080p, 120Hz TV and I definitely notice the TV makes my HD programs look even better (obviously) and my Wii (SD) to look even more grainy and blurry.

Posted by DeF

You're just not used to non-HD graphics anymore. it's all about getting used to something.

Same goes with controllers. I know people who only ever used PlayStation controllers and if you hand them an Xbox or any Nintendo controller they react like Vampires to garlic or crosses because the controllers "are wrong". It's all about habits. Xenoblade, for example, is a terribly long game and I guarantee you'll have gotten used to it soon.

Posted by BonOrbitz

@TehFlan said:

Honestly, I don't really notice it. I mean yeah, HD looks better, but it's not like Wii games really look that bad.

I feel the same way even though I have been spoiled by my 360, PS3, and a PC with a GTX 570 graphics card. Sure, the Wii's graphical limitations were a tad off-putting when I fired up Xenoblade Chronicles, but I got over it pretty quickly. Games on the Wii can look beautiful.

Posted by EXTomar

I think framing it as "something wrong with me" is not the correct way to look at it. People's views and tastes change and are highly subjective. If one doesn't like a game there is nothing wrong with you or the game.

Posted by JackSukeru

I think you'll get more used to it as you play.

I personally were either never that bothered by it or got over it too quick to remember. I have always been a big fan of games with a huge sense of scale (it was in fact what first got me interested in the game) and in that regard the game didn't disappoint me. The world feels huge, I love standing in a grassy field and seeing something off in the distance knowing I'll be able to walk there. Games so rarely give you such large, detailed, (mostly) seamless world that I couldn't help but be impressed. Yeah it would have been nice if the textures looked sharper or if a couple of things had a few extra polygons, but you can still tell that it has high production values with them doing the best with what they've got, I think that ends up being way more important than the pure horsepower behind it.

Bottom line is, when I play it I feel like the game couldn't have been any better if it was made on more powerful hardware, it would have "just" looked better, and that did a lot for the impression.

With Nintendo moving on from the Wii soon we'll have a new lowest standard in graphical power on stationary consoles ( I mean no offense in this), so get ready to one day look back at the PS3 and 360 and think "what the hell were we thinking?".

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@RockmanBionics: I agree that wil every console jump, there will come a day when you look back on the games of old, and think your eyes were tricked. As games will look so much better as time progresses. With that said though, I think that the next generation isn't going to be the biggest jump in technology. I could be wrong, as no one knows. But I think it will be a while before we have that major jump. I predict the next generation will be more optimization than increase in tech. It's going to focus more on smoother graphics, that run at a higher frame rate, than polygon counts.

Posted by killacam

i love psone era graphics. i don't think i'm going to have this problem when i pop in xenoblade.

Posted by AlexW00d

I feel the same when I play 360 games. I'm just sat there thinking 'where is the goddamn anti-aliasing' :(

Posted by Still_I_Cry

@bonorbitz said:

@TehFlan said:

Honestly, I don't really notice it. I mean yeah, HD looks better, but it's not like Wii games really look that bad.

I feel the same way even though I have been spoiled by my 360, PS3, and a PC with a GTX 570 graphics card. Sure, the Wii's graphical limitations were a tad off-putting when I fired up Xenoblade Chronicles, but I got over it pretty quickly. Games on the Wii can look beautiful.

I have the same card, Diablo III tried to tell me it was out of date :/

On topic: I don't think they have spoiled you as much as they have raised your expectations.

Posted by Brendan

I have that problem when I first boot up an old game via Steam. I get used to it after a few minutes but it's really jarring when I begin playing.

Posted by bchampnd

The graphics on the Wii never really bothered me too much (haven't played it in years) but I think that's because most of the games I played were first party games and those games were based more on their motion controls and a particular aesthetic / art style than they were about cutting edge graphics.

With that said, I noticed that I was less distracted by the graphics being subpar when I hooked up the Wii to my old SD set. It could be that the Wii was designed to operate with that aspect ratio or maybe it's just that my eyes/mind were trained to expect less from a non-HDTV.

Posted by ImmortalSaiyan

I don't really have that problem with the wii. Skyward Sword looks great, better then some HD games in fact because of it's strong style. I bet Xenoblade is the same.

Posted by Superfriend

Dude, I just hooked my PSone up to a modern TV last week. I see where you´re coming from, but I also think some of these games actually looked BETTER on the new system.. maybe I just like to see big pixels moving about :D

As for Xenoblade, yes, it takes some getting used to and I don´t think the start of the game is terrific. Especially the lack of anti-aliasing can be a bit bothersome. But once you get in it, the game really grabs you. For me, it was the caves after the starting area. I really started to like the game and the look it is going for at the Bionis´ Leg area. By then I had forgotten about the graphical shortcomings. You shouldn´t play other games in between your sessions though.. once you re-acclimate to better graphics, it will take some time again to look past Xenoblades shortcomings.

Posted by JackSukeru

@PainGod89: I would appreciate that if that was what would happen, so long as there was a slight bumb along with it. A lot of people seem to share your prediction, but I don't really know enough of what's really going on in the business to feel like I could be confident in agreeing with it at the moment. These next few years will be very interesting, no doubt.

Y'know though that I remember looking at Tekken 3, firmly believing that those hard edges on the character models would never disappear, so at some point I must've thought that it didn't look as good as it could have. My point being that as much as we are surprised over what we were able to put up with, that will probably also decrease over time. Even today there are still games that hold up way better than others, Wind Waker is one such example I feel.

I recently bought the PS2 game Shinobi that I knew didn't have the best graphics at the time so I feared that I would be put off by it, but it turns out that the developers had just put their effort into the gameplay. So while the textures were extremely repetitive and the level design sometimes even felt copy pasted, the framerate was smooth and thus the gameplay didn't suffer for it. If that game had been ugly and had a choppy framerate, I would not have been able to deal.

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Posted by SeriouslyNow

@AlexW00d said:

I feel the same when I play 360 games. I'm just sat there thinking 'where is the goddamn anti-aliasing' :(

Same. It's why my 360 sat and collected dust and then was sold. Even when I had to wait for my GTX 285 to be replaced by a 470 GTX (thanks heaps EVGA - you guys rock) I could barely bring myself to play the 360. I know that sound snobbish but there are levels of expectation we all have. It's the same reason why we buy cars with better handling and nicer interiors.

Posted by DeF

@PainGod89 said:

But I think it will be a while before we have that major jump. I predict the next generation will be more optimization than increase in tech. It's going to focus more on smoother graphics, that run at a higher frame rate, than polygon counts.

I hope that's where things are going. Games are too expensive to produce as it is and even more complex, detailed visuals are sure to kill off the mid-tier game even more than it already has. It would be so awesome if 60fps/1080p became a standard. This 4k resolution crap some people are clamoring for doesn't make sense. Nobody is gonna run out and buy new ridiculously expensive TVs again after they bought HDTVs 6-7 years ago and then upgraded to bigger TVs with 3D in the last 2 years. Just not happening.

I honestly believe games would be better if the graphics level stayed slightly above the high end of where it is now (say BF3/Witcher 2 level) and devs could focus on A.I., better animation, MINIMIZING LOAD TIMES (!!!), performance optimization instead of just throwing more and more shaders and polys on the screen.

Posted by AlisterCat

How does Xenoblade look on Dolphin? I play my PS2 games on an emulator just for the HD resolution. Same with Dolphin.

Posted by Patman99

I find Xenoblade looks alright. However, everytime I turn on my Wii and play some good games (Xenoblade, or Zelda), I always wonder just how much better these would look on the PS3, or 360. I've bought a few HD collections and while initially they do not look mind blowing, I look up old videos of the original games and I soon realise the massive difference the HD treatment makes. I mean, look at the Beyond Good and Evil before and after they HDified it. It is absolutely night and day. So even if they did this simple HD upgrade, I imagine Xeno and Zelda would look incredible.

Edited by Seppli

Since I began doing most my multiplatfrom gaming on PC, I gradually developed an aversion to games rendered in 720p (and lower) running at only 30 FPS. Some games I own on both a console and PC, and the difference is extremely jarring and offputting.

Still don't own a Wii. I guess I never will. Can't fathom what Nintendo is up to with the WiiU. That thing won't stop my eyes from bleeding.

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Posted by ZenaxPure

I honestly think the (well my) problem with Xenoblade's look is the character art more than anything... The non-city environments look absolutely stunning but any time I have to look at the human NPC models (especially their faces WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE EYES!) it's off putting. Other than that the resolution is the only problem, it doesn't bother me personally (since I put all of my 65 hours of Xenoblade into my Wii version instead of Dolphin) but it's certainly really annoying when you're used to better.

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@AlisterCat said:

How does Xenoblade look on Dolphin? I play my PS2 games on an emulator just for the HD resolution. Same with Dolphin.

It looks decent, only the close up face shots are bad. There's an HD texture pack that replaces the portraits, button overlays, and font textures which greatly improves the IQ.

Posted by BonOrbitz

@Still_I_Cry said:

@bonorbitz said:

@TehFlan said:

Honestly, I don't really notice it. I mean yeah, HD looks better, but it's not like Wii games really look that bad.

I feel the same way even though I have been spoiled by my 360, PS3, and a PC with a GTX 570 graphics card. Sure, the Wii's graphical limitations were a tad off-putting when I fired up Xenoblade Chronicles, but I got over it pretty quickly. Games on the Wii can look beautiful.

I have the same card, Diablo III tried to tell me it was out of date :/

On topic: I don't think they have spoiled you as much as they have raised your expectations.

I think that's a more accurate way of describing it. If I was dogging on the Wii then "spoiled" would be more appropriate.

Not to get off topic, but I'm curious: how can Diablo III tell you the card was out of date? Is it just a beta thing?

Posted by Still_I_Cry

@bonorbitz said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@bonorbitz said:

@TehFlan said:

Honestly, I don't really notice it. I mean yeah, HD looks better, but it's not like Wii games really look that bad.

I feel the same way even though I have been spoiled by my 360, PS3, and a PC with a GTX 570 graphics card. Sure, the Wii's graphical limitations were a tad off-putting when I fired up Xenoblade Chronicles, but I got over it pretty quickly. Games on the Wii can look beautiful.

I have the same card, Diablo III tried to tell me it was out of date :/

On topic: I don't think they have spoiled you as much as they have raised your expectations.

I think that's a more accurate way of describing it. If I was dogging on the Wii then "spoiled" would be more appropriate.

Not to get off topic, but I'm curious: how can Diablo III tell you the card was out of date? Is it just a beta thing?

Don't know. I downloaded the game to play the beta and a message came up saying something along the lines of "The system has detected your graphics card is a GTX570, this card is out of date and this game may not function at maximum performance."

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@PainGod89 said:

I think the more technology goes forward on TV's, tech like the Wii are getting more and more hard to swallow. I remember playing Wii games years ago, along with my 360 and PS3 and not caring so much that they weren't HD. Since then, I upgraded my old 720p HDTV to a 1080p, 120Hz TV and I definitely notice the TV makes my HD programs look even better (obviously) and my Wii (SD) to look even more grainy and blurry.

Wii games look fine on a CRT, but an LCD is just too sharp. I remember the first time I saw a Wii was on a (at the time pretty fancy and swanky) 42 inch LCD. It made me wanna puke.

@bchampnd said:

The graphics on the Wii never really bothered me too much (haven't played it in years) but I think that's because most of the games I played were first party games and those games were based more on their motion controls and a particular aesthetic / art style than they were about cutting edge graphics.

With that said, I noticed that I was less distracted by the graphics being subpar when I hooked up the Wii to my old SD set. It could be that the Wii was designed to operate with that aspect ratio or maybe it's just that my eyes/mind were trained to expect less from a non-HDTV.

Current TV technologies are just a lot sharper and clearer, so the lines of resolution are super visible. SD TVs are much blurrier and softer, and so the jaggies are less obvious.

I also wouldn't say the visuals bother me, it's the resolution. If nothing changed but they upped the visuals to run at 1080p all the time, I would be fine with the Wii. It'd look fine. It's the resolution that bothers me. It's so distracting and a little hard on my eyes on an LCD. It's the main reason I never gave the Wii two seconds of thought. There was no good reason not to get that thing running 1080p. Microsoft managed to beat them on price in multiple instances with a machine that arguably made the best looking console games of the generation. That they couldn't make a machine that at least bumped up the resolution to something palatable in this day and age of 1080p monitors on just about any decent PC people buy from an OEM, or the other consoles being capable of HD, Cable being almost all available in 1080, it's ridiculous to me that the Wii runs SD.

@SeriouslyNow said:

@AlexW00d said:

I feel the same when I play 360 games. I'm just sat there thinking 'where is the goddamn anti-aliasing' :(

Same. It's why my 360 sat and collected dust and then was sold. Even when I had to wait for my GTX 285 to be replaced by a 470 GTX (thanks heaps EVGA - you guys rock) I could barely bring myself to play the 360. I know that sound snobbish but there are levels of expectation we all have. It's the same reason why we buy cars with better handling and nicer interiors.

With really low res games like MW, I can understand, but MW2 fixed that. With 360 games they generally have more AA than I play my PC games with (but at a resolution where AA is needed, to be fair. My monitor means that aliasing is mostly non-existent on PC games anyway, because I like to recline a bit), and thy look fine. The place that console games bother me is the framerate. It's almost always awful. Playing Reach for the first time in forever, I was reminded of how god fucking awful the framerate is in campaign. It's real bad. Hard to tell just how low it gets, and I'm sure console only gamers who don't just play CoD wouldn't mind it as much but games like Reach and MGS4 really bummed me out recently because of how uneven and awful the framerate got compared to what I was used to, even though I have a very modest machine with an aging, dieing 5770 pushing a 1920x1200 screen. But I think HD console games look fine, it's how they move that others me.

Posted by obcdexter

Absolutely do not have that problem. I regularly put in old games and thus never got "over" the respective graphics. Xenoblade in particular I found to look absolutely stunning ... for a Wii game.

Posted by sonicrift

I have a 32 inch CRT that has superb colour sitting in storage. Knowing it would look so much better, when I started playing Twilight Princess last summer, I tried rearranging my place to find a somewhere to put that TV that would make sense, but couldn't work it out. Hopefully, one day, I'll move into a bigger place that can facilitate that, because I do want to revisit the Wii and old stuff. Buying a giant HDTV really killed my enjoyment of this system.

I actually hope Nintendo knows I want to buy all these games again in HD.

Posted by SoldierG654342

You see, this is why I still play on a CRT. I can go between PS2 and PS3 games fine because all of it looks like shit to me.