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#1 Edited by Najaf (295 posts) -

@Napalm said:

@Oni said:

@Marokai said:

@Oni said:

This whole thing is beyond ridiculous. I don't know any other industry where valid criticism of a commercial product is widely ridiculed/marginalized by the press. Granted, we're seeing the tide change somewhat, and this article certainly isn't as patronizing/condescending as most, but it still feels incredibly pithy. The thrust seems to be "You can't please everyone with an ending" and "In time people will appreciate it." Empty platitudes. It doesn't really add anything to the conversation, and it's clear Jensen hasn't played it, so why is Patrick even talking to him in the first place? Not to be rude, but there simply isn't anything meaningful someone who's not finished the game can say, which this article plainly demonstrates.

Most of the responses in this thread have been pretty civil as far as I've seen, yet there are still plenty of comments to the tune of "I can't believe these whiny/spoiled/entitled/angry brats." Even Gerstmann's formspring (http://www.formspring.me/jeffgerstmann/q/310270218972699052). We have content creators sticking up for each other (press and developers) because they have a better relationship than with their fans and because both sides know what it's like to be "yelled at" in comments.

Mass Effect 3 is a commercial product. If you are not satisfied, let your voice be heard in a civil manner, as most of you are doing. You're being acknowledged, and maybe someday even the press in their ivory towers will come down to see what the noise is actually about.

What a completely insane formspring response from Jeff, there. Never before have I seen such a controversy in video games that seemed to rely on one side just making shit up out of thin air in how most people are reacting. 90+% of the responses here have been civil and right on point, and have focused on a really critical issue of how completely disconnected the games media seems to be from the general public. That's really important stuff that seems to get sidelined in favor of total copouts like that answer from Jeff. It amazes me so few people on this site seem to realize how much most of the bomb crew seem to hold much of this community in utter contempt and feel perfectly free to shit on their own creation with little reason. This has nothing to do with "entitlement" or people being "whiny," you're absolutely right. This issue is summed up by people in the media and the game industry that use those insults as an excuse to just dismiss anything legitimate. It's the business equivalent of calling something you don't want to seriously respond to "trolling" just so you feel like you can declare victory. Ugh, sorry. I guess I got a little sidetracked there, but this controversy is compounded by so many other problems at this point. It is the easiest thing in the world to beat up on a fanbase and that intellectually lazy nonsense has to stop, and not just with Mass Effect.

I agree that it's super fucked up that the entire media seems to be sporting blinders to the fact (and if you don't think this is a fact, you're really blind) that there is a MASSIVE disconnect between the writers and their audience at the moment. The disappointment and criticism of the ending isn't even the main concern to me anymore, it's that the press is simply not doing their job: They aren't being critical of the things that they're ostensibly critiquing, and they aren't representing their communities (fairly) at all. It should be the fucking press laying it on Bioware for this, not the fans! Of course I don't expect every critic to agree with the movement, but there is almost NO ONE willing to write an article that's calling out Bioware. Don't shit where you eat, I guess. It's incredibly disappointing, and I've lost almost all faith in this entire field of 'journalism' over this debacle. Games writers need to seriously reevaluate their role, their goals and the way they go about their business if this industry wants to be respectable.

Of course, I believe that this is the entire reason why the press isn't really speaking out: It's hard to admit that you're wrong, and maybe even harder to admit that you're not really in touch with your audience at all.

This was what I was saying two weeks ago. I lost all respect for Vox Games and at least a dozen journalists because as soon as Ray put out that message, everybody was condemning the fans and shitting on us. I'm talking hardcore vitriol. It was fucking embarrassing. Never have I seen an entire industry rally against the fans in a manner in which they deceive their entire audience for the sake of, well, I don't know really. Nobody is willing to look at the situation critically, or even just read the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of well-thought out responses and why we feel the way we do. All they do is look at the Facebook Mass Effect 3 comments, assume everybody is an entitled brat and use that as their talking position.

And Jeff's FormSpring response just got my blood boiling. That is the type of bullshit that needs to stop.

Yeah, I hate quotes within quotes within quotes as much as the next guy. But these all bring up a valid point or two. I as well have had my faith in the games journalism industry shaken to the core due to the handling of this controversy. For as many brilliant minds the gaming press has, one would think that there would be one notable proponent to the outcry.

And, no, I am not speaking of someone who should come alongside the critical masses and shovel shit in Bioware's face regarding the nitpicky logic holes in the ending. No. What I want is for someone to actually take a few hours, reach out to the community's most well spoken minds on the topic and put an ear to ground on this issue. (there are some here on GB and on neogaf's spoiler thread and I'm sure elsewhere) Then, in response to the massive collective attacks from the gaming press, post an article on a reputable site that not only brings attention to the more sane arguments, but also empathizes with said audience. After all, it would seem that the journalists in the most keen position to understand and give a well worded voice to an audience would be some of the guys here at GB and a few other select sites.

Instead, we are only getting articles from outside of the gaming spectrum in our defense. The California Literary Review, some no name contributor to Forbes who uses his contributory platform to have a small voice and maybe a few bits here and there come to mind. Whereas in the game's press, it is a complete circle jerk of defenders and mockers of the 'entitled'. Even PC Gamer Podcast's spoiler portion where they specifically claimed to stay away from what the remainder of the press had done to the fans, they too were too lazy to actually listen to why fans had issues with the handling of the ending. Not only did they not bother to actually read the quotes from Bioware and instead attempted to paraphrase them, but they got those and many other points of contention flat out wrong. Then their call out to the community to voice their opinions resulted in three voicemails at the end of the show. One was about the Javik DLC debate which to be honest, is the least of people's concern nowadays. And the other two were either mirroring points made throughout the podcast by the contributors or being 'that' guy calling out everyone who did not like the ending as being entitled. They merely used his voicemail to get around their promise to stay civil, and more or less agreed with him in the end. And of course, there was not one voicemail to represent the other side of the coin.

I could go on, but this is already entering TLDR territory.

#2 Posted by Najaf (295 posts) -

I find it just a bit troubling that this EW writer agreed to discuss this topic without having himself finished Mass Effect 3. While I understand that the topic at hand is larger than any one created work, I believe this to be quite unprofessional. It reminds me of the many podcasts I have listened to where the topic of ME3's ending comes up, and then there is an outpouring of support for the writers and creative freedom, followed by admissions that "I have not finished the game yet myself." Could this 'fan' of Mass Effect really not find the time to finish the game, three weeks after it released, when he has agreed to take part in this discussion?

#3 Posted by Najaf (295 posts) -

Thanks for the reply. So, to be clear, if I tell one of my old relationships that I am still interested, none of the new love interests will have that portion of dialogue available?

#4 Edited by Najaf (295 posts) -

If I tell one of my past romances (from ME1 or 2) that I am still interested, does this lock me out of future romance options in ME3? I am caught between wanting to see new content and being expected to make this call so early in the game. Any spoiler free feedback would be appreciated.

#5 Posted by Najaf (295 posts) -

Thanks for the tips.

#6 Posted by Najaf (295 posts) -

I am going to let my wife start her own adventure in Skyrim, but I prefer unlocking the achievements myself. Is there a way, with her character on my steam account, that I can disable or lock out achievements in this game?

#7 Edited by Najaf (295 posts) -
@example1013 said:


    1.  my points about you saying to read some other post for context  

 2.  and about you posting this without giving any context about the whole "for memories' sake thing",   

  3.  and the fact that you posted all of this in a public forum and somehow expected people to understand what the fuck you were taking   

  So unless you respond to that, I'm still 2-1. "

You are keeping score? (of what, I have no idea) How cute. 
 
For one, I never said to read another post for context.  
For two, what kind of context is needed for a speaker of the English language to understand the phrase "for memories sake"? 
For three, what don't you understand about a top ten of all time blog post, followed by a list of ten games?  
#8 Edited by Najaf (295 posts) -
@example1013 said:

" @Najaf: ... Then you tell people that they should've read your blog post, which you didn't even mention in the OP, and didn't link to anywhere in the thread?  I don't know what you were expecting with this thread. Were we supposed to absorb and translate your thoughts over the internet? ... "


Perhaps you and Jimbo should learn about features on the site, such as the ability to attach a blog post to a forum. Next, perhaps you should look at the title of the thread before putting your foot in your mouth.
#9 Edited by Najaf (295 posts) -
@Jimbo said:

" As one Ben Throttle to another, I have to tell you that name-dropping NeoGAF like it's the fucking Freemasons or something is just about the saddest thing in the world.  Why are we supposed to care that you posted your list on NeoGAF?  If you want to discuss it there then go discuss it there.  If you want to discuss it here, fine - your list is kinda shitty. "

Context; you should look it up. I did not namedrop anything in this thread. I included the link which would have taken you to a top ten games of all time thread had you bothered to follow it. The inclusion of the link was also to advise people viewing my blog post as to why it would seem so abrupt and lacking of descriptions. My second mention was to relay my disappointment in the quality of responses thus far. Also, if you had read my blog post, instead of simply trolling it, you might have noted that I posted it for my own benefit to have it easily accessible in the future. You know, where I said "for memories sake"? I wanted an easy place to access and recall my present stance on the issue at hand. While I was at it, I thought it might be grounds for a thoughtful conversation among others who share my passion for games. (Hence, why I included it on the general forum) Your response to my blog post is the kind of thing giving the GB forums a poor flavor. Next time, perhaps you should ask yourself what you are contributing to a thread before you vomit all over it. 
#10 Posted by Najaf (295 posts) -
@Bloviator said:

" I guess the one I'm personally having the most trouble with is Oblivion.  Is there a special reason for that as in you played it with your cousin or something? I have some games that I love that most people might not have ever played, but they are always ones I think about when I think of my favorite games; the circumstances surrounding the time I played those games is much of the reason why I like them so much. BTW, I love Full Throttle. "

Oblivion makes the cut, and so high on the list as well, due to a few factors. It was my drought game during a stretch where neither money or interest (in other titles) was abundant. I enjoyed Oblivion for around 80 hours, which is not anything compared to the time in some multiplayer games, or Civ IV for that matter. But, in the end, as I look back upon that time spent, all of it was quite enjoyable. The main quest was somewhat forgettable, but the rest of the world made that game feel alive. The experience of traipsing through the woods and stumbling upon a new village was amazing.  The size of the world, the plethora of side quests, and the guilds, whose story lines bested the main campaign, wrapped this all up in an unforgettable package. My hard drive got corrupted due to a glitch in an Xbox Live update, and due to the structure of the guilds (two of which were the only thing I was missing achievement wise) I was able to jump right back in, despite my item and level loss and enjoy them through to the end. I also seized that opportunity to vastly change my character for about the fifth time. All in all, the experience itself, as a whole, made up for some of the obvious shortcomings of the title. It makes a solid entry to my top ten of all time.