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#1 Posted by namestolen (20 posts) -

@Sooty said:

Sure commentators might say stuff, but it's pretty rare that the players can actually hear what they are saying especially as many players wear headsets to drown out noise.

I haven't heard commentators say anything. I was just responding to this statement which seemed to imply that you may have heard them say stuff.

Anyway, I guess it just depends on where you look.

#2 Posted by namestolen (20 posts) -

Point taken. I'm largely taking this from personal experience, honestly. Upon re-reading, I realize that I moved between my experiences and those of the high profile fighting game community without really specifying. This was unfair.

That being said, there are still some salient points to discuss. For instance, even if trash talking doesn't occur in the heat of the match, does that make it all right? Is it really that different when you say it at a different time? To me, the intent is still the same, and it's just as inexcusable.

I definitely understand the context of the comments, and I was just ruminating on them. I know the comments themselves were not in a heated match, but they communicated that making inappropriate comments during a match is part of what makes the community what it is, which I don't agree with. Even if the comments aren't coming from someone you are playing at the moment, the ubiquity of them and the approval of them is part of what shuts people out of the scene and draws negative attention. The problem with this is that it's the community actively not making the game enjoyable for some people that may otherwise like it and maybe even excel given practice. And if you ask me, this is one hell of a mind game that breaks the experience for some people.

So, while two players focused on the game aren't necessarily spouting shit at each other on a live stream, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's happened to me as well as others that I know. On top of that, like you said, the commentators are saying stuff as well, and it shouldn't matter whether the players hear them or not. Commentators should be especially careful because they represent the fighting game community when they take a microphone and begin to speak. Maybe I wasn't as careful with some of my wording as I should have been, but the sentiments behind them remain. If negative commentary wasn't occurring within the fighting game community, then the fighting game community wouldn't have the bad reputation that it does, and that reputation alone can be just as harmful to a game experience as someone shouting in your ear while playing.

#3 Posted by namestolen (20 posts) -

After reading all of this stuff surrounding sexual harassment in the fighting game community, I can't say I'm super surprised. As someone who's been tangentially interested in fighting games to the point that I've participated in some tournaments, I have always been aware that the fighting game community has an abundance of unsavory members. This is true for almost all competitive games (including sports), but why is it that fighting games get the bad reputation for it? This is the question I've been pondering for the past few days, and I think I have some answers--or at least some guesses--as to why this is the way of things.

I suppose the absolute main reason why the fighting game community is viewed so negatively is there are so many players who present themselves as negative people. Clearly, this isn't true of all fighting game lovers. I, for one, despise the verbal abuse I've been subject to in SFIV competitions and refuse to respond to it. The problem here though is that my behaviors (and those of my friends that act similarly) don't matriculate up into the higher levels of fighting game play. It seems like the top tier players of many fighting games resort to verbal abuse, and the community as a whole just accepts it because--despite what they say--these players are still really good at video games. As a result of this, the most highly visible members of the fighting game community are mostly these disrespectful people, which entices many members of the scene to emulate these negative idols. This kind of phenomenon, while not exclusive to the fighting game community, is a particularly huge problem in the fighting game scene and this is perhaps why the fighting game crowd is most remarkably viewed negatively.

This point may seem fairly obvious, mostly because it is, but I wanted to point it out because--despite being the primary reason why the fighting game community is considered largely horrible--it's not where all the hate comes from. Saying that "hate breeds hate" doesn't get us any closer to figuring out where it first came from. I know Jeff had some things to say regarding the origins of the fighting game community when he related the scene to that of freestyle rappers, and I think he is on to something there. People in heated situations that are unsure of themselves or in a position of vulnerability (e.g. a one-on-one competition that is being spectated) will lash out and do what they can to try and get an edge and succeed; it's a basic survival instinct. By doing whatever possible to "rattle" the opponent, people in these situations can have an easier time establishing their dominance. This is true in both freestyle rap and fighting games.

The only problem with the analogy between fighting games and freestyle rap, however, is the same problem that exists with every analogy: It's fallacy. No matter how similar these two scenes may appear, they still have fundamental differences that set them apart, and the main difference between these two activities is the skill involved. In freestyle rap competitions, competitors are literally competing to determine linguistic prowess. Because of this, communication is a necessity within this community. Of course, this communication does not have to be aimed at humiliating opponents, but this is (sadly) the norm; the survival instincts kick in for those that are unsure of themselves and they look to construct lyrics that generate enough cognitive dissonance to defeat their opponent. Because freestyle rapping is a battle of language, part of the game includes hurtful language.

In the fighting game community, however, communication is not necessary, at least in the heat of a battle; but, it invariably does occur and it seems that many players use their communicative abilities to take their opponent's focus off of the game at hand. Once again, this is very similar to freestyle rap, but because the game does not actually require communication between players, it seems less-than-necessary and a cheap tactic to try and win. That's right, I said it: talking trash in fighting games--or anything, really--is cheap.

I am fully aware that the big, bad "C" word is a bit of a no-no for fighting game enthusiasts. There are often articles and blog posts cited (mostly by fighting game players) that proclaim: "When you're playing to win, there is no such thing as cheap." The oft cited David Sirlin article-turned-book entitled Playing to Win even suggests players use game bugs to increase their chances of winning. Apparently, if it's in the game, it's fair play. My question for fighting game players though is this: what about if it's not in the game? What about the people that try to win by spouting the most hurtful language they can possibly think of while playing you in hopes that you'll break your concentration? Is that part of the game? This isn't freestyle rap. Hurtful language doesn't have to come with the territory; some people just use it to make the game about something it inherently isn't. Some say this is just part of the psychological meta-game, while others--myself included--disagree. Hate is hate, and it's a cheap way to try to win.

Now to be clear, I don't want to slight David Sirlin or anyone who focuses on playing to win and the ideal of self-improvement. I think these are valuable ideas, but sometimes these ideas are misinterpreted or taken to the extreme. With regard to the trash talking of fighting game fans, I think that the negativity derives from the mentality that you need to do everything you can to win at all costs. This, however, is a misinterpretation of the "playing to win" creedo. Sirlin and others encourage players to do everything they can within the context of the game to win at all costs. They draw the line at things like game-breaking bugs and broken characters. The reason these lines are drawn are because these exploits reduce the game's entertainment value. It's not fun to play a competitive game in which the competitive aspects of it are compromised. This too can also be said of the hateful fighting game community: The negative attitudes of many players compromise the competitive aspects of fighting games because trash talking takes the focus off of what the game is about, which is defeating your opponent by virtually beating the crap out of them (rather than physically or verbally doing so). In short, bad attitudes make the games I love completely un-enjoyable. Please, all you fighting game negative nancies, get over yourselves. You aren't gangsters, and you're breaking some great games by exploiting factors that exist outside the game. Just fight your fight, win or lose, and try to get better. No words are necessary.

#4 Posted by namestolen (20 posts) -

Just wanted to let you all know that I too have fallen victim to the Xbox Live phishing scam, but must have had extraordinarily good luck to experience no issues. A mere couple weeks before being scammed, my gold account expired and was left with a silver membership, which, thankfully, prevented my Xbox Live account from being suspended at all. Also, I was able to still access my Windows Live account, remove the phishing email from the “safe senders” list (for password changes, account resets, etc.) and change my password. After that, all that was left to do was notify the bank that fraudulent charges had been made to get the money credited back to my account.

So, I guess, the ideal situation is to downgrade to a silver account before flagging your account, if possible. I could still enjoy all my single-player games and stream media to my 360. I had no idea that people were being shut out of their accounts for so long. I consider myself very lucky.

#5 Posted by namestolen (20 posts) -

Uh... no. I didn't do much outside research, aside from games, of course. I still ended up using this one, Bioshock, and God of War as my main games though. Probably not the most immediately obvious choices, but I think they worked in the end.

#6 Posted by namestolen (20 posts) -

Hey guys, 
I'm pretty new to the forums, but I was wondering if the community could help me out. I'm doing research for a paper on morality in video games and I've decided to make Army of Two: The 40th Day one of the main games I want to examine because of this article I saw on Kotaku a while ago. I was wondering if anyone knows if the results for this were actually shown, since I've been having trouble tracking down the results myself. It could add a lot to my paper, so please let me know if you guys know anything about this!    

#7 Posted by namestolen (20 posts) -

That screenshot knows how to party... am I right?

#8 Posted by namestolen (20 posts) -

Looks like Exit meets Braid

#9 Edited by namestolen (20 posts) -

Ok, judging by this picture and the information provided for it, I think it would be safe not to assume that this means MGS4 is going to any other console. However, this picture does seem to suggest that there is a new, multi-platform (because of the references to several different consoles), tactical (because of the "t" in the url) Metal Gear Solid game, so yea, it's probably a new AC!D title because those are like tactical RPG but with cards thrown in the mix.

And what's the deal with people saying that "A next Metal Gear is..." is grammatically incorrect? If it finished with "...coming" or  " development," the sentence would sound a little awkward, but wouldn't be grammatically incorrect. Personally, I think the "A" could be referring to the very possible fact that if this was a multi-platform game it would come out in different versions, so instead of saying "the" they substitute that there is "a" Metal Gear game coming out for multiple consoles. I don't know, just my two cents.