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#1 Edited by Nikzilla90 (20 posts) -

@MooseyMcMan said:

@jd18b said:

I've always played on PS but if it came out for PC I'd switch to that.

I'm pretty sure it was said (or maybe leaked) that what they showed was running on a PC. So...yeah. That'll be the one to get, because I highly doubt the console versions will look that good.

Look back on page 3 for my post with the header:

ALL READ: ABOUT PC AND NEXT-GEN

#2 Posted by Nikzilla90 (20 posts) -

@Demoskinos said:

@Nikzilla90: Dude, you have to realize these people are PR trained to skirt around questions like this. If you take the literal word for word meaning of what he said he doesn't actually 100% commit to anything.

If that's not commitment after commitment, then there are going to be some very angry wives in the world once you tell them the bad news. :P

FYI: You sound like a conspiracy theorist when facts are staring you in the face. Don't know what else anyone can say, but until proven otherwise, this is only releasing on PS3 and X360. I know it's hard to believe...

@Nikzilla90: Kojima didn't spend over 4 years (since MGS4:GotP released) making the FOX engine compatible for current-gen specs for nothing and optimization tech gets better every year.

Kojima answer [translation 3]: For example, you can see that one scene where the guy is adjusting the mirror you can see some of the polygons there, things like that that will be smoothed out if we had better hardware as well.

Kojima answer [translation 4]: So we can use tessellation to smooth things like that out. If we use stronger hardware.

[above] Kojima even gives an example as to how this is current-gen and not next-gen - aside from literally saying [below]:

Kojima answer [translation 3]: So this will run on current-gen hardware, this is not a next-gen game - I just want to make that clear.

I'm embarrassed to say that it doesn't sound like you read my post that answered all the questions in this thread.

#3 Posted by Nikzilla90 (20 posts) -

@Demoskinos said:

@Nikzilla90 said:

@rebgav said:

@Nikzilla90: What developer has ever said our demo looks great but obviously the final version will be much uglier due to hardware constraints?

@Demoskinos said:

@Nikzilla90 said:

@rebgav said:

@Nikzilla90 said:

@Demoskinos said:

@Sooty said:

@Demoskinos said:

Obviously not any current hardware.

wouldn't say obviously, it doesn't look that good, it's no Star Wars 1313.

Ain't no way the 360 or PS3 can handle some of those lighting effects. If they can make that shit look that good on 360 I'll more than gladly eat my words but I think the potential of the hardware is about tapped.

Please read my post above this one (2 posts above; with the timestamp quotes).

Don't you think that you might look a little silly if the game comes out and looks like dogshit compared to the reveal footage? Or if the game is reintroduced in next-gen platform announcements as being developed for (let's say) PS4 as the lead platform? People are jumping to a lot of different conclusions about this game but your commitment to believing whatever Kojima is peddling right now might be just as silly as assuming the game is a next-gen exclusive.

Uhh... Kojima himself said it would look like this on PS3 and X360. What the actual fuck makes you [or anyone else] think you know better? No one here even makes games in the first place - at best they count lines on screenshots.

He didn't say it would "look like this" he said it would be on these platforms. Also, nobody can very well talk about consoles that haven't been announced. "Officially" Durango and Orbis don't exist. We know they do but developers can't say shit about them yet.

How is this not crystal clear people? Read everything please.

Geoff question: And this is current-gen systems, but whatever we saw I'm sure people online will be saying "Oh, is that, you know, another system?" But no, that's what you think it will like on Xbox 360, PlayStation 3?

Kojima answer [translation 1]: So this is exactly what it should look like. It's running on PC hardware that is roughly the same spec as PS3 and Xbox 360 so it will look like that.

Key word is "should"

He also said "will" too. ;) Don't be cheeky.

#4 Edited by Nikzilla90 (20 posts) -

@rebgav said:

@Nikzilla90: What developer has ever said our demo looks great but obviously the final version will be much uglier due to hardware constraints?

@Demoskinos said:

@Nikzilla90 said:

@rebgav said:

@Nikzilla90 said:

@Demoskinos said:

@Sooty said:

@Demoskinos said:

Obviously not any current hardware.

wouldn't say obviously, it doesn't look that good, it's no Star Wars 1313.

Ain't no way the 360 or PS3 can handle some of those lighting effects. If they can make that shit look that good on 360 I'll more than gladly eat my words but I think the potential of the hardware is about tapped.

Please read my post above this one (2 posts above; with the timestamp quotes).

Don't you think that you might look a little silly if the game comes out and looks like dogshit compared to the reveal footage? Or if the game is reintroduced in next-gen platform announcements as being developed for (let's say) PS4 as the lead platform? People are jumping to a lot of different conclusions about this game but your commitment to believing whatever Kojima is peddling right now might be just as silly as assuming the game is a next-gen exclusive.

Uhh... Kojima himself said it would look like this on PS3 and X360. What the actual fuck makes you [or anyone else] think you know better? No one here even makes games in the first place - at best they count lines on screenshots.

He didn't say it would "look like this" he said it would be on these platforms. Also, nobody can very well talk about consoles that haven't been announced. "Officially" Durango and Orbis don't exist. We know they do but developers can't say shit about them yet.

How is this not crystal clear people? Read everything please.

Geoff question: And this is current-gen systems, but whatever we saw I'm sure people online will be saying "Oh, is that, you know, another system?" But no, that's what you think it will like on Xbox 360, PlayStation 3?

Kojima answer [translation 1]: So this is exactly what it should look like. It's running on PC hardware that is roughly the same spec as PS3 and Xbox 360 so it will look like that.

#5 Edited by Nikzilla90 (20 posts) -

@rebgav said:

@Nikzilla90 said:

@Demoskinos said:

@Sooty said:

@Demoskinos said:

Obviously not any current hardware.

wouldn't say obviously, it doesn't look that good, it's no Star Wars 1313.

Ain't no way the 360 or PS3 can handle some of those lighting effects. If they can make that shit look that good on 360 I'll more than gladly eat my words but I think the potential of the hardware is about tapped.

Please read my post above this one (2 posts above; with the timestamp quotes).

Don't you think that you might look a little silly if the game comes out and looks like dogshit compared to the reveal footage? Or if the game is reintroduced in next-gen platform announcements as being developed for (let's say) PS4 as the lead platform? People are jumping to a lot of different conclusions about this game but your commitment to believing whatever Kojima is peddling right now might be just as silly as assuming the game is a next-gen exclusive.

Uhh... Kojima himself said it would look like this on PS3 and X360. What the actual fuck makes you [or anyone else] think you know better? No one here even makes games in the first place - at best they count lines on screenshots.

#6 Posted by Nikzilla90 (20 posts) -

@Demoskinos said:

@Sooty said:

@Demoskinos said:

Obviously not any current hardware.

wouldn't say obviously, it doesn't look that good, it's no Star Wars 1313.

Ain't no way the 360 or PS3 can handle some of those lighting effects. If they can make that shit look that good on 360 I'll more than gladly eat my words but I think the potential of the hardware is about tapped.

Please read my post above this one (2 posts above; with the timestamp quotes).

#7 Edited by Nikzilla90 (20 posts) -

ALL READ: ABOUT PC AND NEXT-GEN

@The_Nubster said:

@Nikzilla90: Dude, listen to the 8-4 Play podcast. They were at the press event and recount exactly what happened and what was said. Kojima said that trailer was running on a current-spec PC build, and that FOX Engine would run on both next and current-gen builds, but neither of those were shown.

38:20 timestamp: Eight-Four Play, "SPECIAL METAL GEAR MINI-CAST 8-31-12" podcast

Mark: So and somebody... people said it was a "current-spec PC" but we don't have any way of totally knowing...

John: Right!

Was this the "proof"? (lol) Besides this is like the first time I'm hearing anyone ever say a PC is "current-spec" (lol). They described the same demo, so using a recording and not a "recount", I will transcribe the two big questions and its answers from PAX Prime 2012, "The Future of Metal Gear" conference with Kojima himself. Which is where all the sites got their sources aside from the MG 25th Anniversary event in Tokyo from the day or two before which did not allow the press to record anything and thus can't be trusted.

31:00 timestamp: PAX Prime 2012, "The Future of Metal Gear" conference

Geoff question: Now let's move on to what you showed from FOX engine, recently in Japan, you premiered what I guess was the first real time demo, running in real time. This demo that [gesturing to audience] you guys have probably read some, you know, tweets and some sort of conversations about online after it premiered in Japan after I guess it was Thursday night. Why don't you tell us a bit what you showed; why'd you show it; what were you trying to accomplish with this demo?

Kojima answer [translation 1]: So first of all, what I want to make clear, that this is not a tech demo, this is a game running on the FOX engine.

Kojima answer [translation 2]: So what we are going to show you is running on a PC, but the PC specs are roughly the same as PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.

Kojima answer [translation 3]: So this will run on current-gen hardware, this is not a next-gen game - I just want to make that clear.

Not using a high-end PC for this demo ("roughly the same as PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360."). Not a next-gen game ("this will run on current-gen hardware, this is not a next-gen game - I just want to make that clear.") - and "current-gen" is referred to consoles only 99% of the time. And if it was next-gen only then they wouldn't even utter one syllable of PS3 or X360 - let alone put the platform logos in the credits unlike Star Wars 1313.

When devs use PCs to demo games, that is not a guarantee of a PC release since all games are made on PCs in the first place and thus its very easy to show a press demo on rather than optimizing it for a console just for a press demo for a game that is still at least a year away - so only official publisher sources should be trusted on supported platforms (i.e. the trailer's credits and its PC exclusion from it).

No PC logo, no PC release.

And just because it looks amazing doesn't mean, "NOT POSSIBLE ON CURRENT-GEN BECAUSE PC GAMES DON'T LOOK THAT GOOD". Which is ironic since all the popular PC-centric games aren't going to win any beauty awards - see: Minecraft, ArmAII - DayZ, Team Fortress 2, World of Warcraft, StarCraft 2, Diablo III, Slender... hell, no exclusive PC game has won any graphics of the year awards semi-unequivocally since Crysis (2007). Kojima didn't spend over 4 years (since MGS4:GotP released) making the FOX engine compatible for current-gen specs for nothing and optimization tech gets better every year. Lets be honest, no one in this thread is a developer for a AAA studio which can headhunt the best talent to couple their wise development library. ;)

Also, you all know this is a Japanese publisher and developer? They really don't care about PC gaming in the first place since the PC market in Japan is just train and anime-dating simulators (very introverted game development in Japan). Not even the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection was ported to PC.

48:25 timestamp: PAX Prime 2012, "The Future of Metal Gear" conference

Geoff question: And this is current-gen systems, but whatever we saw I'm sure people online will be saying "Oh, is that, you know, another system?" But no, that's what you think it will look like on Xbox 360, PlayStation 3?

Kojima answer [translation 1]: So this is exactly what it should look like. It's running on PC hardware that is roughly the same spec as PS3 and Xbox 360 so it will look like that.

Kojima answer [translation 2]: But we are working of course, you know, FOX is multiplatform and we are working on next-gen hardware as well and it will look very, very good on that as well.

Kojima answer [translation 3]: For example, you can see that one scene where the guy is adjusting the mirror you can see some of the polygons there, things like that that will be smoothed out if we had better hardware as well.

Kojima answer [translation 4]: So we can use tessellation to smooth things like that out. If we use stronger hardware.

Of course Geoff has intimate knowledge of the game before interviewing Kojima and notice the lack of any "PC" shout outs by him. Although now I understand why people think there may be next-gen ports. Personally, it just sounds like they messed with this game on next-gen specs to test their FOX engine's capabilities more than hinting that they'll release next-gen ports (could be possible for easy port money).

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@Demoskinos said:

@The_Nubster

@Demoskinos said:

Obviously not any current hardware.

In the 8-4 play podcast, they mentioned that it would be out for current-gen consoles, but that wasn't the build they were showing.

The current Gen version is going to be junk.

Get your eyes checked, that trailer was the opposite of "junk".

#9 Edited by Nikzilla90 (20 posts) -

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

Next Xbox or PC.

So never?

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@Raven10 said:

In all honesty, if that demo was running on a current gen console then Kojima and team are pure wizards. In all likelihood there will be a current gen version of the game as well as a next gen version and it will be the next gen version that will be the one to get. The logos don't mean anything. It's what platforms the games is announced for now. A PC version might be in the works just not official, just like a PS4 version. Again, maybe I'll eat my words and the game will look that good on current gen systems. I just really, really, doubt it. Games have looked much better on PC for a while now. Just recently Sleeping Dogs looked positively amazing on PC and only okay on consoles. It is easy to do a cross gen version of a game if your engine is set up to handle it. If it was running on a PC my bet is that it was a higher end PC than they care to admit and it won't look nearly that good on consoles. If there isn't a PS4 version, I would bet there will be a PC version and in that case I would get that one and a top end computer if you have the money.

There is absolutely nothing to substantiate any claims of "next-gen versions" (I see it buzzing around on forums with no sources). Being built on a future-proof engine does not mean a next-gen version will exist. And fyi the PC was said to be using "similar specs to a PS3" from the Official PS Blog - which makes me believe we saw the X360 build since we can all agree that X360 and PS3 are similar and Sony needed some PR since they lost a high-profile exclusive series and debug console demos on PCs are very easy to do with X360 builds.

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