ObiFett

It. Never. Ends.

It also depends on the level of the turret.  Lvl 1 turrets are horrible and useless.  Lvl 2 turrets can actually hold their own and take a grenade before going down.  Lvl 3 turrets are mean.

So the 5 post throttle is a little ridiculous.  Here's to hoping I cross whatever invisible line I need to, and soon, in order to not be limited to 5 posts a day. So I am going to have to make this post longer than I would like.    Not sure its going to matter, though, as this forum is as sheep as I hoped it wouldn’t be.  

Let me answer some direct attacks on my post:

He's being an apologist

By the every definition of the term, every single one of you has been an apologist in this thread.   In fact, every single person that posts in a forum is by definition being an apologist by defending an idea through writing.   Yeah, I'm defending something in a forum.   Who woulda thunk it?

Nope. Sorry. It isn't. The enemy AI, at higher levels and when you have more humans on your team, can be downright scary and brilliant.   They hold points, put turrets in new and interesting locations, flank, revive each other, run in groups, use SMART like monkeys and know how to take objectives.   They have murdered   me and a party of my friends over and over.   BECAUSE the enemy AI can do that, it can be deduced that friendly bots are capable of doing that as well.   And they do.   AI is AI after all.    And friendly AI is downright awesome in multiplayer when you are against more human players than you have on your team.   So why aren't they that way in single player? The next part explains it.

Horrible AI as a feature is just dumb

And this is where we get to the crux of my OP.   If you followed this game at all before release you would have known that Brink's singleplayer was just what most gamers think as "multiplayer with bots".   The innovative and interesting design decision was to try to blend the two concepts.   What defines a singleplayer campaign and how do they work it into what is traditionally a considered multiplayer gametype?

1) The player has to be the hero

2) Have some semblance of story

They sought out to make a singleplayer campaign type experience out of what gamers see as a multiplayer game type.   What this does is blur the line between multiplayer and singleplayer and, imo, is very cool.   This is also why comparing the singleplayer to UT is wrong.   UT was trying to train you to be the best arena player you could be.   So the bots would push you to get better constantly and act like humans.   This game is not trying to train you to be the best Brink multiplayer gamer. Its trying to give you a new type of singleplayer experience.   I can see why some people wouldn't like it.   If you don't like it, then go play real multiplayer and then you'll see how good the bots can be. 

And apparently they've listened to people's complaints. The most recent Steam update did the following

 AI Bots:

Removed bot intelligence inhibitors for Freeplay games

Adjusted bot behaviour in Campaign games to make teams more evenly matched

Changed bots’ objective priorities across all game modes

Fixed issue with bot difficulty continually dropping

And when you respond to this post in defense of thinking its stupid, realize you are an apologist (of Jeff's review, your own opinion, etc) as well.   ;)

" Not convinced. They sold this game as having a singleplayer campaign, which is such an exaggeration on what they provided that it is a borderline lie. Yet we should believe that the incredibly poor AI on offer is a 'feature' that improves with you? The bots could well get smarter and turn the pathetic excuse for a singleplayer mode into a great experience...but who the fuck cares? The bots in the QL were dumb, majorly dumb, and posed basically no challenge to Jeff, who was at a reasonable level. Furthermore, when do the bots get smarter? If you are a new player and they are pants on head retarded, ensuring you have no fun whatsofuckingever, how is that a 'feature'? I am a pretty good FPS player, how many hours should I grind before I'm allowed to have fun with smart bots, instead of watching my teammates get mowed down while enemy bots stare at me blankly without shooting? Why would I play against bots if I'm that invested on the game? "

" Those sound like excuses, and, yes, this game does look like every other game. You can back it up all you want, but I would advise that you celebrate the game on the Brink forums or with close friends and family, because you are not going to get the support you want here. "

Yep, Brink is just like every other shooter
with parkour
and gun selection not based on class
and no snipers
and no grenade spam
and extreme character customization
and no K:D tracking
and an actual focus on teamwork

Just like every other shooter.

 @Chabbs0 said:

" Those points about friendly AI make it sound like they are trying to make features out of stupid AI. "

Before you complain about the bots there is one thing to realize:  The bots get better as you get better AND as the need to help you increases.

About enemy AI:
Yes, when you are low level, the enemy AI is stupid.  You will kill them without any problem and finish missions pretty easily.  Then as you gain levels and unlock abilities you'll notice that you start failing missions and the enemy AI will murder you.  OVER.  AND OVER.  And they will continue to do it without mercy and in new curbstomping ways each match. The enemy AI in this game, at higher levels, is out of control hard.  And I love it.  A 1v1 shootout against the AI at higher levels is scary and will always keep you on your toes. You're lucky if you come out with 1/2 health.  1v2 and you just better run or pray help comes soon.  Its an awesome challenge and makes me keep coming back to this game.

About friendly AI:

Ugh, not done with the 360 yet...

Completion only matters in games that don't have ridiculous achievements AND I enjoyed the actual game.