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#1 Posted by paradox121 (317 posts) -

Still slightly amazed that the Wii U came out of nowhere to have the most interesting line up this Christmas....they got me you guys :/

Anyway, my ID is halcy0n

#2 Posted by paradox121 (317 posts) -

What more can be said that hasn't been already?

Truly one of the funniest people I've ever had the pleasure of listening to on a week in week out basis.

He had the unique skill of being sarcastic and acerbic and yet you could still tell he had a kind heart and looked after those around him.

Huge, unimaginable loss. R.I.P. Sir

#3 Edited by paradox121 (317 posts) -

@notdavid said:

@paradox121 said:

Ryan: Jeff likes sandwiches and new releases

Jeff: Often at times eating a sandwich will lead to a new release

Ryan: *sigh* There are no new releases.

Jeff: Don't I know it!

EDIT: Oh god I just replied to a three year old comment.

You've just made me feel very old. Thanks.

#4 Posted by paradox121 (317 posts) -

@golguin said:

@paradox121 said:
@golguin said:

@paradox121 said:

@starvinggamer: Yeah its pretty handwave-able. It just seems like an odd oversight for a game that prides itself on everything being tied up nicely. Even if they'd just thrown in a voxophone from Alt-Booker saying how there were rumours Alt-Elizabeth had escaped/died whatever.

I think the whole tear thing in the game in general never really sits right with me. Like I said, Ive just come off the back of watching Primer which has a very strict logic and set of rules, but here tears kinda just appear and Booker and Elizabeth just randomly decide to jump through them on a whim. It feels like one of those cases where the idea of alternate realities/infinite possibilities came first and then the reasoning and details came later. But meh. Rant over.

The game does mention that Alt-Elizabeth was taken away in the Martyr dimension. Martyr Booker himself mentions something to the effect that Elizabeth had already been taken away.

The implication being she was taken away to Comstock House. Thats the issue- if she's meant to have been taken to Comstock House, where is she by the end of the game? But yeah, I guess its not that big a thing to get hung up on, its just something that bugged me at the time.

Ah, that's the thing though. They aren't in the Martyr Booker dimension at the end of the game. The last confirmed moment that "Our Elizabeth" and Booker are in the Martyr Dimension is right when Songbird takes her. Booker goes through a tear to arrive at the Dark Elizabeth Universe. He does his thing there and Elizabeth sends Booker back to an unspecified dimension where an Unknown Elizabeth has been held and experimented on for some time. We know Dark Elizabeth has done this countless times and all those times a different Elizabeth grew up to become another Dark Elizabeth. It was Dark Elizabeth's intention to break the cycle and create at least one Elizabeth that can stop the Comstock variable in their multiverse.

But then why would the Songbird even take Our Elizabeth in the first place? Surely a version of her is locked up away somewhere and no one is chasing after her. And also how would Our Elizabeth and Songbird go through to the end game dimension? I guess you could say Songbird is some kind of omnipotent dimension hopper too, but its just presented in the story as Elizabeth and Booker hop over to the Martyr dimension, find some weird stuff going on, and then end up just hunted by the same people all over again.

#5 Edited by paradox121 (317 posts) -
@golguin said:

@paradox121 said:

@starvinggamer: Yeah its pretty handwave-able. It just seems like an odd oversight for a game that prides itself on everything being tied up nicely. Even if they'd just thrown in a voxophone from Alt-Booker saying how there were rumours Alt-Elizabeth had escaped/died whatever.

I think the whole tear thing in the game in general never really sits right with me. Like I said, Ive just come off the back of watching Primer which has a very strict logic and set of rules, but here tears kinda just appear and Booker and Elizabeth just randomly decide to jump through them on a whim. It feels like one of those cases where the idea of alternate realities/infinite possibilities came first and then the reasoning and details came later. But meh. Rant over.

The game does mention that Alt-Elizabeth was taken away in the Martyr dimension. Martyr Booker himself mentions something to the effect that Elizabeth had already been taken away.

The implication being she was taken away to Comstock House. Thats the issue- if she's meant to have been taken to Comstock House, where is she by the end of the game? But yeah, I guess its not that big a thing to get hung up on, its just something that bugged me at the time.

#6 Edited by paradox121 (317 posts) -

@starvinggamer: Yeah its pretty handwave-able. It just seems like an odd oversight for a game that prides itself on everything being tied up nicely. Even if they'd just thrown in a voxophone from Alt-Booker saying how there were rumours Alt-Elizabeth had escaped/died whatever.

I think the whole tear thing in the game in general never really sits right with me. Like I said, Ive just come off the back of watching Primer which has a very strict logic and set of rules, but here tears kinda just appear and Booker and Elizabeth just randomly decide to jump through them on a whim. It feels like one of those cases where the idea of alternate realities/infinite possibilities came first and then the reasoning and details came later. But meh. Rant over.

#7 Edited by paradox121 (317 posts) -

Finally finished the game last night. Turns out its pretty good.

I love a good time travel/multi-dimensional story (coincidentally I just watched Primer too) mainly because they stick with you and get you to pick apart the narrative in a satisfying manner. Weirdly I was listening to the radio this morning, and an oddly precient song came on. It's by Biffy Clyro, I don't think they're that well known overseas but they're fairly big over here in Blighty. Anyway song and lyrics below.

Biffy Clyro - Biblical

Baby if you could would you go back to the start?

Take any fresh steps or watch it all fall apart, again

Play another song here then you can leave

With your delicate wings, I use to weave

Maybe there's an under-tow pier.

Or maybe this is stuck up in the air

I know how it looks but all that glitters ain't gold

You gave me magical

I gave you wonderful

Cut that invisible cord or I'll start you off

What's understandable, let's make immeasurable

Moves to the left or the right on no schedule.

'Cause you gave me magical

I gave you wonderful

Let's make this biblical

And hang from our invisible cords

Baby if you could would you go back to the start?

Take any fresh steps or watch it all fall apart, again

It could have been a wonderful year

Instead we might not make it to the end

Everybody cares but nobody knows

I have hit one stumbling block when I look back over the narrative, and naturally it's one of those cases where I may have missed a voxophone/dialogue piece or it may have been answered previously in this thread but anyway:

From what I can tell, when you move through tears to different dimensions, you don't replace the alternate version of yourself, you coexist, which allows Booker and Comstock to be in the same universe. My problem lies with Booker and Elizabeth going through a tear and coming out in a dimension where the Vox are fighting back and overthrowing Comstock.

In this reality, Booker never reaches Elizabeth because she is taken away to Comstock house, and instead he dies a martyr. Fine, but what happens to the other Elizabeth? I assume this is the Elizabeth that goes on to become OldElizabeth at the end of the game, but where is she during the second half of the game? Surely she'd still be locked up in Comstock house, and if thats the case, why would Songbird/Comstock still be after your version of Elizabeth?

#8 Posted by paradox121 (317 posts) -

Massive condolences Patrick. I can't begin to imagine what you're going through, particularly before such another life changing event, but I hope you and your family are holding up as best you can. This thread is evidence enough for the support behind you.

#9 Posted by paradox121 (317 posts) -

Nicely done men.

Totally creepy that I can assign every intern an equivalent GBer based on personality / looks.

It's like Giant Bomb Kidz. With a 'z'.

#10 Posted by paradox121 (317 posts) -

@Olu said:

My greatest giant bomb dream is to see endurance run of this game one day. A man can dream

Yes....

YES.

Please. Yes.

The thought of it....it's like the perfect game for them to Endurance Run. A really cool counterpart to P4. It would be just so....YEEEESSSS!