paradox121

You've just made me feel very old. Thanks.

But then why would the Songbird even take Our Elizabeth in the first place? Surely a version of her is locked up away somewhere and no one is chasing after her. And also how would Our Elizabeth and Songbird go through to the end game dimension? I guess you could say Songbird is some kind of omnipotent dimension hopper too, but its just presented in the story as Elizabeth and Booker hop over to the Martyr dimension, find some weird stuff going on, and then end up just hunted by the same people all over again.

The implication being she was taken away to Comstock House. Thats the issue- if she's meant to have been taken to Comstock House, where is she by the end of the game? But yeah, I guess its not that big a thing to get hung up on, its just something that bugged me at the time.

@starvinggamer: Yeah its pretty handwave-able. It just seems like an odd oversight for a game that prides itself on everything being tied up nicely. Even if they'd just thrown in a voxophone from Alt-Booker saying how there were rumours Alt-Elizabeth had escaped/died whatever.

I think the whole tear thing in the game in general never really sits right with me. Like I said, Ive just come off the back of watching Primer which has a very strict logic and set of rules, but here tears kinda just appear and Booker and Elizabeth just randomly decide to jump through them on a whim. It feels like one of those cases where the idea of alternate realities/infinite possibilities came first and then the reasoning and details came later. But meh. Rant over.

Finally finished the game last night. Turns out its pretty good.

I love a good time travel/multi-dimensional story (coincidentally I just watched Primer too) mainly because they stick with you and get you to pick apart the narrative in a satisfying manner. Weirdly I was listening to the radio this morning, and an oddly precient song came on. It's by Biffy Clyro, I don't think they're that well known overseas but they're fairly big over here in Blighty. Anyway song and lyrics below.

I have hit one stumbling block when I look back over the narrative, and naturally it's one of those cases where I may have missed a voxophone/dialogue piece or it may have been answered previously in this thread but anyway:

From what I can tell, when you move through tears to different dimensions, you don't replace the alternate version of yourself, you coexist, which allows Booker and Comstock to be in the same universe. My problem lies with Booker and Elizabeth going through a tear and coming out in a dimension where the Vox are fighting back and overthrowing Comstock.

In this reality, Booker never reaches Elizabeth because she is taken away to Comstock house, and instead he dies a martyr. Fine, but what happens to the other Elizabeth? I assume this is the Elizabeth that goes on to become OldElizabeth at the end of the game, but where is she during the second half of the game? Surely she'd still be locked up in Comstock house, and if thats the case, why would Songbird/Comstock still be after your version of Elizabeth?

Massive condolences Patrick. I can't begin to imagine what you're going through, particularly before such another life changing event, but I hope you and your family are holding up as best you can. This thread is evidence enough for the support behind you.

Nicely done men.

Totally creepy that I can assign every intern an equivalent GBer based on personality / looks.

It's like Giant Bomb Kidz. With a 'z'.

@Olu said:

My greatest giant bomb dream is to see endurance run of this game one day. A man can dream

Yes....

YES.

Please. Yes.

The thought of it....it's like the perfect game for them to Endurance Run. A really cool counterpart to P4. It would be just so....YEEEESSSS!

@ballblaster said:

@paradox121 said:

@ballblaster said:

Skyward Sword is the corn kernel poking out of a big, steamy turd. Sure, it's bright and yellow and has a bit of specularity... but only when viewed in contrast to the rest of the turd that is the Wii software base. I've had a Wii since launch and have purchased two games for it. I was hoping this game, 5 years after the fact, would somehow justify my purchase. It hasn't, and frankly, there are far too many games on the PC & 360 to really care much about it anymore. Sure, 4/5 stars hurts the fanboy, but someday you just have to stop kidding yourselves *cough*IGN*cough* and stop idolizing your childhood so much.

So...you're basing a negative opinion on a 4/5 review and probably without touching the game yourself?

Oh Giant Bomb. I love you so much but sometimes your community gets me down.

On the contrary, 4/5 is a great score. I am speaking to the fact that I won't spend $50 on this game even if that means my Wii remains an overpriced bookend. While it looks to be filled with that warm Nintendo charm, I can't help but see that most of the "charm" of yesteryear comes from the graphics and sound being of such a low technical standard, that we as humans manufacture a lot of it in our minds. Not to mention how much biased nostalgia comes along with it simply by being a Zelda game. Giving this game a 5/5, even based on a Wii-specific scale, would be a massive disservice to any developer that has busted its ass creating game assets that aren't 16-bit, or have written storys that aren't targeted for a 10 year old.

Oh Giant Bomb, I love you so much but sometimes your Nintendo Fanboys get me down.

I think I vaguely get your point but you're kinda drowning in hyperbole.

Couple of points I wanna make. First, the music in this game is fully orchestrated. So even if you think the graphics suck, claiming that the sound is of a 'low technical standard' is just objectively wrong.

Second, it's been getting fantastic reviews across the board. So by your logic does that mean that every single reviewer is a fan of the series and is 'biased with nostalgia'?

Third, I literally cannot get my head around the idea that in your mind it doesn't deserve 5/5 reviews because you believe developers wouldn't have put as much time in as others did. That's just...amazing that someone can think that way. How are the graphics, world design, sound design etc etc any less than what other games do? What about low end HD stuff of this generation that got amazing reviews? Limbo, for example. Or Super Meat Boy. Amazing games, quite simplistic graphics and gameplay. Did they not deserve their grades either?

@ballblaster said:

Skyward Sword is the corn kernel poking out of a big, steamy turd. Sure, it's bright and yellow and has a bit of specularity... but only when viewed in contrast to the rest of the turd that is the Wii software base. I've had a Wii since launch and have purchased two games for it. I was hoping this game, 5 years after the fact, would somehow justify my purchase. It hasn't, and frankly, there are far too many games on the PC & 360 to really care much about it anymore. Sure, 4/5 stars hurts the fanboy, but someday you just have to stop kidding yourselves *cough*IGN*cough* and stop idolizing your childhood so much.

So...you're basing a negative opinion on a 4/5 review and probably without touching the game yourself?

Oh Giant Bomb. I love you so much but sometimes your community gets me down.