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@spaceinsomniac said:

I think these videos make some good critical points about her previous work, but I'm looking forward to watching this new series and judging it on its own. It's a serious subject, so I hope she does a better job with things this time.

Topic should be over here. I've watched these before and my dude destroys her. STOP...GIVING...HER...ATTENTION.

that is very interesting.

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@mikkaq said:

All of these videos and all of this discussion is fine and dandy but what are people honestly expected to do here? No one's proposed a real and practical solution to this supposed problem. Is this just a pointless academic exercise or will changes come from this discussion?

I would say these discussions are important as long as they are polite and constructive in the sense of exploring and understanding the issue at hand. People come from all different walks of life and can provide insight to others as a result. Change starts slow, but happens surely enough. Even in a place such as this.

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@rotten_avocado said:

@mellotronrules said:

@rotten_avocado said:

If you're gonna put yourself on the cross, put yourself on the cross.

Especially if no one asked you to do it.

right- because it's constructive to say "she was asking for it" as opposed to focusing on the nefarious behavior.

Not that she's asking for it, but I do believe she should weather the storm for her beliefs..

and there are already people here, in these comments, that were insinuating she's the very 'damsel in distress' she's critiquing by drawing attention to the particularly vile contributions. it's a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't.

I agree. I for one, do not see her in that light. I don't despise her at all for what she has done. Just that she should woman-up and take the heat. I'm not saying she should read the tripe posted in the comments.

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@rotten_avocado said:

@mellotronrules said:

@rotten_avocado said:

If you're gonna put yourself on the cross, put yourself on the cross.

Especially if no one asked you to do it.

right- because it's constructive to say "she was asking for it" as opposed to focusing on the nefarious behavior.

Not that she's asking for it, but I do believe she should weather the storm for her beliefs..

You're suggesting that she deserves threats of physical and sexual violence and hateful slurs for expressing her thoughts?

Why should someone have to hear and see comments like that for speaking their mind-- it's not like she's espousing hate speech by saying that Princess Peach is a damsel in distress, and that perhaps women are poorly represented in video games.

Not at all. Just let people talk their bullshit. It's not like anything they're saying is gonna happen. It's a bunch of prepubescent boys or fat lonely undergrads. I just think if you open your mouth, like I have here for example, you should expect/accept a response, regardless of whether they are pleasant or not. She doesn't need to answer them. Should I be able to turn of the ability for you to respond to me?

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@rotten_avocado said:

If you're gonna put yourself on the cross, put yourself on the cross.

Especially if no one asked you to do it.

right- because it's constructive to say "she was asking for it" as opposed to focusing on the nefarious behavior.

Not that she's asking for it, but I do believe she should weather the storm for her beliefs..

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@jasonr86 said:

@rotten_avocado said:

It's not a matter of ignoring it. However, shoving it in people's faces all the time makes it a lot less palatable.

You attract a lot more bees with honey then vinegar.

Equality will happen if it's deemed important enough. Not because a select few "patriots of virtue" will it to happen.

Though Anita and other active feminist are handling their message differently then the man I'm about to mention I wonder if people said the same thing to Martin Luther King? Hoping for change rarely works.

I absolutely believe that subjects like this should be discussed, and I'm right with you on that one. So forgive me when I say that this section that I quoted strikes me as FAR too close to equating historical female oppression with historical black oppression, and anyone who does that--as far as I'm concerned--can fuck right off.

If that wasn't your intent, and it was perhaps just a poor example, that's fine. But I've seen some people make that argument, and it's just an awful thing to even suggest.

More like a poor example.

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@rotten_avocado said:

If you're gonna put yourself on the cross, put yourself on the cross.

Especially if no one asked you to do it.

So on top of having little to no understanding the history of the rise of Fascism in Germany, or the Civil Rights Movement, you're also devoid of empathy and a total prick.

Got it.

Someone finally gets me :)

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Ultimate just showed up. Gonna give it a shot, and deep dive this weekend.

Can any experienced players give me some tips?

Apparently kicking is very important.

#9 Posted by Rotten_Avocado (82 posts) -

@jasonr86 said:

@rockyraccoon37 said:

@rotten_avocado said:

I just don't understand why we even spend this much time on this topic.

Not that I believe it should be ignored, but why can't we just move on?

It's like picking at a scab over and over again. It's not gonna heal that way.

Women, much like other groups that have been undermined in society, can't brute force their way up the rungs of society. They're gonna have to let it take it's course.

Please stop with this shit. If you don't like the games that come out, guess what?, go make your fucking own and shut the fuck up!!

Says the straight white man.

Just a shot in the dark, but I'm gonna guess I hit the bullseye.

I'm a straight white man have a conversation with this dude taking the other angle. So fuck that stupid, tired-ass stereotype.

@rotten_avocado said:

@jasonr86 said:

@rotten_avocado said:

@jasonr86 said:

@rotten_avocado said:

I just don't understand why we even spend this much time on this topic.

Not that I believe it should be ignored, but why can't we just move on?

It's like picking at a scab over and over again. It's not gonna heal that way.

Women, much like other groups that have been undermined in society, can't brute force their way up the rungs of society. They're gonna have to let it take it's course.

Please stop with this shit. If you don't like the games that come out, guess what?, go make your fucking own and shut the fuck up!!

It'll never take it's course if the problem is ignored. Problems with how the problem is approached can certainly arises and can be discussed. But ignoring the problem will never improve the problem.

It's not a matter of ignoring it. However, shoving it in people's faces all the time makes it a lot less palatable.

You attract a lot more bees with honey then vinegar.

Equality will happen if it's deemed important enough. Not because a select few "patriots of virtue" will it to happen.

Though Anita and other active feminist are handling their message differently then the man I'm about to mention I wonder if people said the same thing to Martin Luther King? Hoping for change rarely works. People have to work for it. It's shoved in our faces because we are actively involved in a gaming forum. The majority of people have no fucking clue who Anita is. So she and people like her need to be loud so that those that are able to institute such change can actual do so. We here, honestly, don't matter that much because we can't lead to change on our own. But stating that she just needs to shut up and go away is kind of idiotic. No offense duder.

I don't believe in the individual making a difference. I think individuals such the likes of MLK, and even Hitler (and I am of Jewish descent) are a result of a societal response/need. The individual themselves are not important. They could have been substituted with anyone else. Idiotic as it may be, change will happen, when society sees it as important to its survival. I just don't believe we've hit that time in gaming. And it'll be a long, long time before society gives two shits about a hobby.

Every change the US has made regarding race, gender, and class has been kicking and screaming. In most cases individuals or groups seemed to force their hand. I see where you're coming from and it probably isn't as simple as an individual or group forcing change but it equally probably isn't as simple as a society up and changing because it felt the need to. Both live in a context together with one working with the other and neither will do anything if one doesn't act.

Well said. I feel social movements as a gradual progression. I would argue that the kicking and screaming aren't necessarily what caused those changes in the US you spoke of. Doing instead of talking. Practicing what you preach. Setting examples for others. Not pointing blame and casting stones. If woman want a different gaming environment, they should work to create one. It may not happen over night, but as something gradual. What I see here is a lot of finger pointing and a lot of misdirect shaming. I might be overly sensitive, but it would be better to have an atmosphere of cooperation towards making things better than drudging up past follys to unintentionally, or intentionally, rub it in others faces. I dunno.

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@rockyraccoon37 said:

@rotten_avocado said:

I just don't understand why we even spend this much time on this topic.

Not that I believe it should be ignored, but why can't we just move on?

It's like picking at a scab over and over again. It's not gonna heal that way.

Women, much like other groups that have been undermined in society, can't brute force their way up the rungs of society. They're gonna have to let it take it's course.

Please stop with this shit. If you don't like the games that come out, guess what?, go make your fucking own and shut the fuck up!!

Says the straight white man.

Just a shot in the dark, but I'm gonna guess I hit the bullseye.

Yes you did. However, a Jewish white guy.

I am well aware of discrimination. Talk to my dead family in ashes.

Oh yeah. I'm not a dentist or lawyer either.