Gee, I sure hope this doesn't mean that Disney is going to abandon all the great, creative games in the LucasArts library and is just going to put out a ton of subpar Star Wars games over the next ten years.
I don't think he knew that he sold Anna to himself from other dimension.
It's never clear what he knew in his original time line because his mind creates new memories when he is pulled into Comstock's timeline. In the flashbacks he did see Comstock and Lutece go through the tear with Anna and he might have recognized himself in his timeline. Ultimately we never find out what happened to him after he gave Anna away except that he brands himself with her initials.
Luteces. What "mistake" are you talking about? How did Luteces hire Booker? At the start he was very much "get the girl and wipe away the debt". He had no idea that Elizabeth=Anna, that he was trying to save his own daughter. What was the motivation for Luteces? Were Luteces trying to prevent the war? Or just undo the time loop? Why didn't Luteces themselves kill Booker during baptism then? Did they want to leave it up to Elizabeth and Booker?
The mistake of building Columbia, the mistake of helping Comstock, the mistake of taking Elizabeth. At the start his mind is creating new false memories to reconcile with the new timeline. All he remembers about Elizabeth is everything that Lutece gave him in the box. There may have been a line from Lutece saying that they offered him a chance to "get the girl and wipe away the debt" with the meaning of get back his Elizabeth and wipe away the debt he owes her for giving her up.
Where did it say that burning New York takes place in 1984? Just curious, didn't notice that. Why did she bring Booker here, at that moment and not earlier? Would you agree with me that once she saw New York burning she started having doubts, regrets and decided to change? Why was the message so unnecessarily enigmatic with a drawing of a cage, instead of just saying in plain English - play notes C, A, G, E to control songbird?
There was a billboard in New York that said 1984. She brought Booker there to save herself and the world to give him the information to control the songbird. Yes she eventually did change her mind after she saw the destruction. She brought him back at that moment because she said that her leash had been undone and that was when she could. The message was presented that way for artistic reasons I guess, the point came across.
The remark to previous games. I like the way it sounds with constants of a man, a lighthouse and a city. I really like it. Revisiting Rupture, its lighthouse and bathysphere was kinda cool. But it doesn't make sense to me. Now, I only played the original Bioshock and haven't touched the second one (I read about it) . I don't see the clear one-to-one correlation between characters ... there is no Elizabeth, there is no Comstock.
I mean Jack and Andrew Ryan are certainly not the same person and sure there are little sisters, but there is no "one true" Elizabeth. It takes place in a different time too. Yeah, Liz mentions variables and the time of the events I guess is up to a change, the location being different - it can happen in any city. But overall story should be the same, right? I also feel like it should be linked to a tear, a fork, a deciding point in time and for all Bioshocks it looks like the lighthouse is this point. I don't see why. Shouldn't it be baptism? Ignoring this Rapture bit I am very close to understanding the whole thing.
It doesn't have to be a one to one connection, just some form of the same things. Comstock is kind of like Ryan, Elizabeth is kind of like the little sisters, Booker is kind of like Jack, Lutece is kind of like Tenenbaum, Columbia is kind of like Rapture, and the Songbird is kind of like Big Daddies. Rapture and Columbia are two similar things happening. A man comes to a wonderous city(that he has a connection to but doesn't know it) through a lighthouse ruled by extremist ideology under a powerful dictator that is using powerful technology that is taken from young girl(s) which are protected by some kind of twisted machine creations. There is no "one true Elizabeth" but there is one that realized her full potential and wasn't brainwashed.
P.S. Somebody remind me what happens after big battle on the airship when Songbird helps you? The next thing I remember is Songbird drowning as you watch him from inside of some room in Rapture. Then you take bathysphere and go up to the lighthouse. What was the transition between being on the airship and being in Rapture!
I believe she tells the Songbird to finish destroying the siphon which lets her access her full power. She then opens up a tear to Rapture to take her, Booker, and the songbird there. The songbird is crushed by the pressure.
@khazidhea: No, Elizabeth wasn't born until after Booker walks away from the baptism. That's why all the Elizabeths disappear at the end because they were never born.
In one timeline Booker walks away from the baptism, meets Anna's mother who dies in childbirth, he then gives away Anna to himself from an alternate timeline to settle gambling debts. It's not really clear if he knew who he was giving her away to but he sure as hell figured out part of it when he saw them disappear in to the dimensional tear.
In another timeline Booker is baptised and is reborn as Zachary Comstock and builds Columbia with Lutece for the 1893 world's fair (in reality the city that was built for the 1893 world's fair was the "White City" in Chicago which is the topic of the novel "Devil in the White City" which Ken Levine said inspired the game). Comstock then secedes from the US after the Boxer Rebellion and he wants to bring destruction to the world below which he sees as sinful. Comstock sees using technology that Lutece had created that he would die before he started his war against the ground but his child would complete it. But he is sterile from his proximity to the dimensional travel/viewing technology so he buys Anna from his alternate self that walked away from the baptism, renames her Elizabeth and locks her up in the tower with the siphon to take away some of her power and has songbird as her protector/jailer.
The presence of that dimensional technology along with maybe the presence of Elizabeth causes all these tears to happen in Columbia which explain all the anachronistic music and scifi technology. Fink has an audio log where he says he got the ideas for the robotics, cyborgs, and vigors by looking through these tears.
The Luteces, realizing their mistake then pull Booker into Comstock's timeline and send him on a path to rescue Elizabeth. But he fails to rescue her and she eventually becomes like Comstock through years of brainwashing. Then after she has started to attack New York in 1984 she brings Booker to her and tells him how to control the songbird. She then sends him back to sometime after the songbird recaptures her but before she is brainwashed and he resuces her and tells her how to control the songbird. She then has the songbird destroy the siphon so her power is fully restored and she realizes what she needs to do to kill all Comstocks in all timelines where he exists, to stop Columbia from being built in all timelines where it exists, and ultimate how to stop herself from destroying the world in all timelines where she is brainwashed.
She takes Booker back to the moment where all those timelines originated, the baptism, and drowns Booker before he either goes through with baptism or can walk away from it. This stops Comstock from existing but it also stops herself from existing. This is the only way to stop the destruction of Comstock and to save herself the torture of being locked away and brainwashed.
In the post credits scene it appears that some version of her, like the Lutece, is "lost between possibilities" and still exists in some form.
I don't remember there being a choice between heads and tails, Booker just says tails. As for the Lutece's we all start off as female in utero right? It's just half the people have a y chromosome and develop male characteristics, in the Comstock universe Lutece is born as a woman, in the Booker universe Lutece is born as a man. I remember an episode of Sliders had the same concept. And speaking of tv.
There are several things in common with Fringe. The alternate dimensions, the scientist that develops the technology to view other dimensions and seems himself and later develops the technology to travel between them, the taking of one child with great power from one dimension into another without people knowing, the chopping off of a body part in a closing dimensional tear, the two versions of the same person fighting each other, the zeppelins. Given how late in development they said the story came together I'm really surprised that they would make something so similar to something that already existed even down to the same story beats.
Nice write up
I didn't collect all the audio logs so I missed some stuff. The Lutece's were actually the same person from different timelines, one where he was born a man and one where she was born a woman. They weren't actually siblings. They were helping Elizabeth for the same reason Booker was, to make up for what they had done. As for why they were not dead there is an audio log where she speculates that they exist in "infinite possiblities" now or something like that.
And the moment you realize you are at a stoning, holy crap that was intense.
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