As a gamer, I have no reason to buy a next gen console in the fall…

It’s looking more and more like I will still be playing on current gen systems and PC in the fall. Sony only has 2 exclusive franchises that I even care about which are The Last of Us (which comes out in June) and Uncharted. Microsoft has Gears of War; Judgment will be out in just over 20 days. Third party multiplatform/multi-generation games that have caught my eye so far are Watch Dogs and Star Wars 1313 (which may or may not release on the PS4 or Next Xbox). Most of the games that have my interest so far are games that I can not only play on current gen consoles but also on PC at the same quality as next gen systems.

Sony, I think, did a good job showing that they have a really high end console in the works, but failed miserably in interesting me in any way on the games that were shown. Microsoft will more than likely have a press event between now and the end of April. I feel like they will also be showing a high end gaming console that will lack exclusive games. They will try to sell the system on 3rd party games that have exclusive content or timed DLC similar to what they are currently doing with Call of Duty.

It may be Q1 2014 before the bigger games release for next gen systems. I think Battlefield 4 will be multiplatform/multi-generation but EA will offer some incentive to purchase the game on a next gen system over PC/current gen consoles. Call of Duty will release in November of this year (obviously) and will be a multiplatform/multi-generation game. I don’t see Activision and whatever developer that is making COD this time around doing anything other than graphic enhancements to the next game. It will still be COD, so it will not be a selling point for next gen consoles. The same goes for the Assassin’s Creed series and any other game that releases on an annual basis.

This year still has a lot of great games to play on my PS3, Xbox 360, or PC. Why release next gen consoles without the games to support them???

March

5 Tomb Raider/SimCity

12 God of War: Ascension

19 Gears of War: Judgment

26 Bioshock Infinite

Past March

Lost Planet 3, Metro: Last Light, Dead Island: Riptide, The Last of Us, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Grand Theft Auto V just to name a few...

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Posted by DaMisterChief

Next gen will shift for big publishers since consoles have higher magins. PC will continue to get most of the 3rd party stuff but the focus will be on the console games. I have $800 in my pocket to burn and really dont want to build a PC, so im waiting for next gen consoles

Posted by Clonedzero

uh, im POSITIVE a shit ton of next gen games will be shown at E3, now is not the time to making some broad statements as you're clearly ignorant of whats coming, as we all are.

Edited by Ares42

This year still has a lot of great games to play on my PS3, Xbox 360, or PC. Why release next gen consoles without the games to support them???

There's probably less than 10 next-gen games that have been announced so far. I'm quite sure we'll see more before release.

Posted by believer258

I also won't be buying a next gen console at launch, but I haven't declared that ultimatum on a basis of "there aren't any games for it." Mostly because, as far as I know, we don't have any clue as to what will be a launch title and what won't. We can take a rough stab at Watch Dogs being a launch game, and CoD/Battlefield will probably make an appearance, but I don't think we should judge a console's early games until we have a better idea of what they're going to be.

By the way, I'm not buying a PS4 or Durango at launch because a) there are far too many games on my PC and 360 that I want to finish, and some on my PS2! and b) I don't want to spend that kind of money on a console when I've already got other games to play.

By the end of 2014, we'll hopefully be snuggling into the next generation and I'll be snuggling into a full-time job, so I will probably pick one up then.

Posted by Winternet

The new Sony console was announced less than a week ago. Xbox has yet to announce theirs. It's obvious that there aren't a ton of games announced for those two consoles. Geez, a little more patience.

Edited by Blu3V3nom07

Buy 2 Wiis', taste like' happiness?

It costs the same..

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Posted by TooWalrus

As a gamer, if there's exciting exclusive games available next fall, I'll be buying a new console.

Posted by S0mewh4tD4m4ged

E3 may show several next gen titles but how many of those will be released along side next gen consoles? I doubt many... Just saying.

Posted by Veektarius

It would be foolish to believe that system exclusives will follow recent trends toward obsolescence in the tail end of the current console generation, particularly with Microsoft. Remember that Microsoft bought exclusivity to a number of third party games with the 360 in its early years..

Edited by Kidavenger

I waited 3 years to get into this generation of consoles and I ended up missing out on a lot of great games to save $200, looking back, it seems like I made a dumb decision.

As soon as there is a game worth playing, I'm jumping in, and more than likely that will be at launch.

Edited by Oscar__Explosion

There is usually no reason at all to be an early adopter for any system. I'll do what I usually do which is to wait for games to come out that I want to play and make my console decision then. Either that or wait for a price drop/revision.

Posted by Conzed92

@s0mewh4td4m4ged:

Is there a final date on The Last of Us? That game is seriously rocking my boat, I cannot wait. What a great round-off for the PS3. Also, Metal Gear Solid:Ground Zeroes! Maybe not everyone would agree with me, being a huge MGS fanboy :D I WILL trade in grandma for some sneaking-in-a-cardbox quality time with my aging PS3.

Posted by S0mewh4tD4m4ged

June 14, 2013: the "Friday" after E3

I think it will end up June 18 because normally games release on Tuesdays in the USA.

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@oscar__explosion said:

There is usually no reason at all to be an early adopter for any system. I'll do what I usually do which is to wait for games to come out that I want to play and make my console decision then. Either that or wait for a price drop/revision.

This. I did buy a Wii U though, but generally I wait. Do you guys even remember the 360 / PS3 launches? They only had like, one or two launch games worth playing each.

Posted by Hunkulese

People are really overestimating the power of their PCs. Unless you have a top of the line PC performance will likely be better on the consoles for the first couple years and if you're buying something new you'll probably have to pay double the price of the console for the same performance.

Posted by EpicSteve

We only got the initial announcement of one of the consoles. So of course we don't know about a lot of launch games. But yes, like most launches expect some half-assed ports and maybe some random gems.

Edited by Caustic_Fox

No, I won't be buying next gen. Problem is, my current video card does not support DX 11 that the newest games require. My list of upcoming/nexr-gen games includes:

- Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs

- Bioshock: Infinite (Still debating on this one.)

- Beyond Good & Evil 2

Edited by Colourful_Hippie

I'll always be playing on PC.

Also I don't get how people forget that console launches have happened before. We were all in the same situation when the 360 and then PS3 were coming out. God of War 2 came out in the PS3's first year. New consoles have to build their base first before more people jump on board.

Posted by Icicle7x3

What, your frothing demand has not increased at the idea of another killzone?!

Posted by sins_of_mosin

I expect a lot of games to still come out at least for the Xbox 360 after the next Xbox comes out. The install base is too large to ignore and the jump to the next console is going to be slow.

Posted by hiono

People are really overestimating the power of their PCs. Unless you have a top of the line PC performance will likely be better on the consoles for the first couple years and if you're buying something new you'll probably have to pay double the price of the console for the same performance.

i think its more of will the devs care enough to properly optimize the games for pc

Posted by H8RAID

I'm a PC gamer, and as a result of significant investment it is a very capable gaming rig.

I'm already playing beautiful games in high resolution with exceptional audio.

I can already share content with my friends via Steam or Xfire.

I can talk with my gaming buddies on Tamspeak while playing Call of Duty or some other single player game like Skyrim that doesn't natively support multiplayer interactions.

I have the pick of several thousand human interface devices from which to play my games - controllers, joysticks, steering wheels, or even keyboards that glow in the dark (oh my).

I can keep up with Facebook and twitter while I'm playing... I can upload scores, screenshots and videos at will and I have many options available to modify all media formats prior to sharing.

...Sony's next generation system of tomorrow sounds an awful lot like a PC you can buy today.

For me, the big three need to get cracking on a couple things:

1. MUST HAVE platform exclusives. Time will tell on this one but as of this writing I don't have that tingly feeling in response to anything on the horizon.

2. Working with developers and distributors to bring the price points on the software down. I'm all for digital distribution IF there's a financial benefit to the consumer who is ultimately paying for the console, the software, and the bandwidth enabling delivery of the media.

3. Something you and I don't already have and haven't already thought of. I watched most of the PS4 launch event and I got the gist of the bullet points, the PS4 sounds like a neat toy, one that I already have.

Posted by ripelivejam

i dunno guys i'll probably sit the pc out this generation. there's still gonna be some big releases for last generation.

Edited by Colourful_Hippie

@hiono said:

@hunkulese said:

People are really overestimating the power of their PCs. Unless you have a top of the line PC performance will likely be better on the consoles for the first couple years and if you're buying something new you'll probably have to pay double the price of the console for the same performance.

i think its more of will the devs care enough to properly optimize the games for pc

Yes because the architecture of both next gen consoles are closer to PC than ever before. It makes everything easier for devs, also Steam is kind of a thing.

Posted by louiedog

As an older gamer who has been through this a few times, I have no reason to get a next gen console this fall. It generally takes awhile for the games that I want to become available. You get a bunch of slightly, but not much, higher quality generation-straddling games, some shovelware, some games pushed out the door quickly, and then maybe one or two decent titles. It takes a year or so before the console has enough going for it that it isn't just sitting there collecting dust most of the time.

I think the first 360 game I was interested in at all was Dead Rising, which was what, August? I ended up with one in November of 2006 when the games I was wanted to play started launching and saved $80 on the console because retailers started discounting them.

In the meantime, I'll catch up this generation's games that I haven't played yet. Of course with $10-$15 downloadable indie titles being what they are these days, we might have a more interesting first year with these things. They'll mostly come to the PC anyway though, so maybe it won't matter.

Edited by JZ

As a muffin I have no reason to buy muffins.

Edited by Hunkulese

@hiono said:

@hunkulese said:

People are really overestimating the power of their PCs. Unless you have a top of the line PC performance will likely be better on the consoles for the first couple years and if you're buying something new you'll probably have to pay double the price of the console for the same performance.

i think its more of will the devs care enough to properly optimize the games for pc

Yes because the architecture of both next gen consoles are closer to PC than ever before. It makes everything easier for devs, also Steam is kind of a thing.

Games should be easier to port but you'll still see much better performance on consoles for a while. It's a lot easier to program when you know the exact specs of the machine that will run the game in relation to PCs where everyone who has a PC has a slightly different setup. If you wanted to build something today that would give you similar performance to a PS3/360 it's still going to set you back around the same amount as a PS4. You're going to need a top of the line setup to match the PS4 for performance when it is released.

Posted by myketuna

I think I'll eventually buy one of the next-gen consoles. I don't think I'll end up buying everything again, but I don't know which one (PS4 or new Xbox). I'm very happy since I moved to PC almost exclusively 2 years ago. Now and then, some exclusive game will come out that makes me go back to the consoles, but those are getting very few and far between. Unless the recent trend of good-to-great PC ports of multi-platform games changes, I don't think I'm going to leave the PC anytime soon.

I'm actually excited that the PS4 seems like it's more a PC than the PS3 is because that cuts down on some of the porting work. ...It must, right? If the next Xbox follows suit, then the PC will hopefully get even more ports. Console gamers get good games, PC gamers get good games, ALL gamers get good games. Everybody wins.

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@louiedog said:

As an older gamer who has been through this a few times, I have no reason to get a next gen console this fall. It generally takes awhile for the games that I want to become available. You get a bunch of slightly, but not much, higher quality generation-straddling games, some shovelware, some games pushed out the door quickly, and then maybe one or two decent titles. It takes a year or so before the console has enough going for it that it isn't just sitting there collecting dust most of the time.

I think the first 360 game I was interested in at all was Dead Rising, which was what, August? I ended up with one in November of 2006 when the games I was wanted to play started launching and saved $80 on the console because retailers started discounting them.

In the meantime, I'll catch up this generation's games that I haven't played yet. Of course with $10-$15 downloadable indie titles being what they are these days, we might have a more interesting first year with these things. They'll mostly come to the PC anyway though, so maybe it won't matter.

Agreed on all points, I too am one of the greybeards w/ a joystick. Up until a couple years ago I regarded indie games in the same vein as flash games - novelties at best. In the last year I've probably spent 60% to 70% of my game-time on Indie titles like Minecraft, Eufloria, Hotline Miami, and FTL. These 4 titles probably represent around 10% of my gaming dollars for the same period! Those first next gen games are always tech demos or slightly prettier ports of games that were being developed for their predecessors. To louiedog's point, we'll have at least a year for the games to catch up to the platform.

If Sony can somehow manage to offer the complete catalog of PSOne and PS2 games through the PS4 storefront, that would really appeal to me. I would love to go back and play Syphon Filter or Metal Gear Solid - or at least it sounds like a good idea (as is always the case with retro-gaming). Nintendo's approach with the Wii on prior gen releases is serviceable but the selection of titles is grossly inadequate. Come on Nintendo, you have the original Nintendo Baseball listed but you don't have Crystalis?! I pray someone figures out a way to do it right this next go around.

Posted by Sooty

Out of the games you listed the only ones I'm interested in are Last of Us and GTA V.

Posted by Fobwashed

I agree that if you've got a beefy PC, then exclusives are the best reason to buy new consoles.

Still, when I used to play more online multiplayer games, I preferred to play on console over PC just to not have to deal with as much cheating and hacking. (I do prefer mouse/keyboard for precision but it's a level playing field as everyone is using a controller on console.) Also, gaming PCs are relatively expensive and for most kids, a hard sell to their parents. Get a console and it'll last you around 5+ years along with being a media center for the living room TV. PC, for the same price as the console, you're getting only the video card. Unless you're going mid to low end in which case, just go console anyway -_-;; I just recently picked up a GTX 670 so I'll be set for a little while but I do think that eventually there'll be enough stuff I want to check out to end up picking up a console. . . also, fucking techno lust. I bought a Wii U just because I haven't gotten a new console in 6 or 7 years. Well. . . not counting the 3DS.

One more thing. PC's are a bitch to maintain if something goes wrong. In the past few years I had to change out my PSU and two different hard drives =\ Lots of crazy trouble shooting.

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I'm going to wait for price cuts or get one for Christmas! Or at least money towards one.

Posted by Mirado

Never buy a system at launch. Why? Let's look back at some North American launch lineups (highlighting exclusives and well received titles), reverse chronologically:

(This is just my personal opinion and recollection; keep that in mind if I miss or dismiss anything in particular.)

WiiU: Basically a a barren wasteland. 29 in total at launch (which sounds like a great number, but...) and nine exclusives; you've got two games from Nintendo (the pretty fun Nintendoland and the not so fun NSMB U) , ZombiU from Ubisoft, and the rest are ports (some of which are of games that have been out for years) or poorly received. Thanks to the lack of support so far, they get a gold star on the "Nintendo is bad at launching shit" scoreboard.

Wii: Again, poor Nintendo. 21 games at launch. We've got Wii Sports, Red Steel (not a hallmark of quality but an exclusive anyway), Excite Truck, Wario Ware Smooth Moves, Super Monkey Ball, and that's about all. TP was there at launch but as it came out on the Gamecube at the same time (negating any reason to buy a Wii if you just wanted the next Zelda), I'm going to ignore it. There were a few more exclusives like Downhill Jam, but the quality of the remainder really starts to get iffy and none sold in massive numbers, to my knowledge at least.

PS3: What a disaster. 14 titles at launch, four exclusive. Of those, only two received anything approaching good reviews: Ridge Racer 7 and Resistance. It'd take a year before the PS3 turned over anything approaching "must have" status, and even longer to hit its stride. Honestly, with that lineup plus the price tag, I can't believe it sold even in the middling numbers that it did at the start. They out Nintendo'd Nintendo.

360: With no competition at launch, you can forgive it's meager offerings, even if that's the cold comfort of hindsight. 18 titles, five exclusives. There was PGR3 and Ridge Racer 6 for the driving sector, Amped 3 for the sports sector, Kameo for the "I like weird elf ladies" sector, and Perfect Dark Zero for the "Let's destroy a franchise!" sector. You wouldn't get Halo for two years, and it's amusing to think that CoD 2 sold just two million copies and was considered a huge success, whereas if a CoD game did that today, someone would be beheaded for their failure.

Xbox: It had Halo. If you liked Halo, the rest was pretty irrelevant. If you didn't, it had seven other exclusives out of 12 games total, but let's be honest; Halo made the launch. Without that, it'd be a lower than average game total with a better than average number of exclusives for a middling result.

Gamecube: Nintendo! *sad trombone* Same number of games as the Xbox (12), but only four exclusives and none of them were Halo, figuratively (and literally) speaking. I mean, I love Luigi's Mansion more than most, but launching a Nintendo console without a Mario game was unheard of back then, and for good reason; everybody lost their mind when they got their hands on Super Mario 64, and we had none of that here. Other notables include Rouge Leader (which I loved), and Super Monkey Ball (which was worth a bit of amusement). Better than the PS3 launch by virtue of Pikmin and Melee shoring up the poor showing within a few weeks, but it was a dire opening that helped forecast its doom against the might of the PS2.

PS2: It had a pile of titles (close to 30, with double digit exclusives), and while only a few were well received, you were at least drowning in games instead of dying of thirst like the poor Gamecube and PS3. The PS2 was a system where the launch really didn't matter; the floodgates were open from the beginning and the deluge never stopped.

Handheld bonus round!

Vita: Hahaha oh man. I'm not going to even go into it, the pain is still too real.

3DS: I mean, holy shit. How many games in the launch lineup weren't a total disaster? Three? Four? Maybe five? I mean, when Nintendo comes out a few months later and says "We've done fucked up!" and offers a pile of free shit to you for just buying into the system, you know it's all gone wrong. Getting a bit better now, though, but...wow.

PSP: Wipeout? Pretty sweet. Lumines? Pretty sweet. Metal Gear Acid? Pretty weird. I honestly didn't spend that much time with the PSP as I was a DS kind of guy all the way through, but it at least had a few good games at the start which caught my eye. Still, it was a lot of cash and the promised grandeur of the thing never really materialized.

DS: For a system that would ultimately blow even the PS2 out of the water, it had a fucking disaster of a start. I spent more time in Pictochat than in any one game, and when a remake of Super Mario 64 is what you waste the rest of your time on, things are beyond dire. I remember I must have played the demo of Metroid Prime: Hunters for at least 20 hours, just due to a lack of...anything. Thank god you could plug your GBA games into it, or I wasn't going to make it to the point where it delivered on its promise.

Things get fuzzier the farther I go back, but you get the general idea. System launches boil down to the idea that you are paying it forward; good sales at launch means more publisher interest, which means more games. It's a bad situation; if enough people don't buy in early, you aren't going to get the publisher support later on, but what the hell do you do with the system in the mean time? Are you willing to bank your cash on the promise of games in the future?

I'm not. I bank on the promise that other people will bank on that promise, and as such they'll take the hit for me, and I can swing in a year later and reap the rewards. If people ever wise up, that won't fly. Still, I'm always optimistic. Maybe this system will have a good handful of games at or close to launch that I cannot get anywhere else, and really desire to play?

Then again....over the past 13 years, it hasn't happened yet!

Posted by Bourbon_Warrior

I'm hoping for BF4 around launch with 64 player games and DX11 graphics. I would find that alot more fun than on PC where everyone has perfect aim.

Posted by VoidProd

I have never been a early adopter in any gen, usually been 6-12 months before I get one. But I honestly think I'll be there on release day for the PS4. This gen has been way too long. I have a pretty decent gaming PC, but I just want a new console at this point.

Edited by MB

I'm probably the last person that should buy one (or all) of the new consoles. I hardly touch my current consoles, have a huge backlog of PC games, and only play a few hours of video games a week.

However, I love new technology and toys and I have disposable income, so yeah, day one on everything. I realize this is not a great use of funds, but what can you do.

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@hiono said:

@hunkulese said:

People are really overestimating the power of their PCs. Unless you have a top of the line PC performance will likely be better on the consoles for the first couple years and if you're buying something new you'll probably have to pay double the price of the console for the same performance.

i think its more of will the devs care enough to properly optimize the games for pc

Isn't it harder to optimize games for pc because of all the different setups people have? Consoles are standardized, so it'd have to be "easier" to develop for a known quality and quantity.

Posted by Davvyk

The sensible money is always kept in your pocket at launch but god dammit it doesn't feel as good waiting a few months. My wallet is ready, my body is ready, my out of date meme references are ready.

Posted by S0mewh4tD4m4ged

Thanks for all the replies. I currently have a 670 graphics card so I can in fact play most of the multiplatform games coming in the fall (maybe not on high settings but still run them). For me, I don't see any exclusive titles releasing in the fall that appeal to me. Like I said in an earlier comment, "E3 may show several next gen titles but how many of those will be released along side next gen consoles? I doubt many.". I am mainly interested in 3rd or 1st person shooters/action games. I've read that Battlefield 4 (to me is going to be a console seller) is going to release in 2014. I'm guessing in March because Bad Company 2 released in March of 2010. March is the new November for big games. Battlefield 4 is going to be the game that pushes me to purchase a next gen console. I like playing multiplayer on consoles mainly because they are more organized and less cheating.

The reason that I put in the title "As a gamer" is because, my guess, quite a few people will purchase a next gen console on the multimedia features alone. If Xbox has a deal with Comcast to be able to use your Next Xbox to watch and record movies better than the current Comcast DVR's; I think people will be sold on that feature alone.

Everyone is correct. You have to have exclusive content to sell a system or exclusive features that make a person want to play a title on one system over the next.

Posted by MikkaQ

I disagree, none of those games look all that compelling, except Bioshock Infinite which I can't get excited for, really. I want some proper new games, not sequels to series that shorten to GoW.

Posted by zenmastah

How many ppl who dont have good game rigs would buy a next gen console to get Watch_Dogs earlier if it didnt launch multi-gen and would only be on the next-gen at the end of the year?

That would make a hell of a next-gen exclusive when they launch.

Edited by Ravenlight

Will all my PC friends jump ship for a new console? If NO, then FUCK NEW CONSOLES. If YES, then FIND NEW PC FRIENDS.

Posted by S0mewh4tD4m4ged

I "still" have no reason to buy a next gen console in the fall. The whole reason to buy a console is to have an experience that you can't get anywhere else. I'm not interested in any exclusives in the fall. I could see myself getting a console for a really fun multiplayer game to play with friends but BF4 and COD: Ghosts both look like more of the same and Watch_Dogs looks great but I can get it on PC.. Titanfall and Destiny are the only two that have my interest in the spring so far but if I pass on both titles I can see myself waiting until Fall of 2014 before making a purchase. Fall of 2014 should offer Uncharted 4, The Division, Treyarch COD, Rainbox Six Patriots, a new Gears of War game, a new Halo game, and several other unannounced console exclusives.

Posted by SomeJerk

With over a thousand hours in Dark Souls and the sequel coming in March, a PC built with modern parts last December, a decent PS3 library, what reason do I have to buy a PS4 at launch?

Early investment.

Edited by The_Laughing_Man

@somejerk said:

With over a thousand hours in Dark Souls and the sequel coming in March, a PC built with modern parts last December, a decent PS3 library, what reason do I have to buy a PS4 at launch?

Early investment.

Posted by Deranged

I "still" have no reason to buy a next gen console in the fall. The whole reason to buy a console is to have an experience that you can't get anywhere else. I'm not interested in any exclusives in the fall. I could see myself getting a console for a really fun multiplayer game to play with friends but BF4 and COD: Ghosts both look like more of the same and Watch_Dogs looks great but I can get it on PC.. Titanfall and Destiny are the only two that have my interest in the spring so far but if I pass on both titles I can see myself waiting until Fall of 2014 before making a purchase. Fall of 2014 should offer Uncharted 4, The Division, Treyarch COD, Rainbox Six Patriots, a new Gears of War game, a new Halo game, and several other unannounced console exclusives.

Then just wait dude. No one's forcing you to get a next-gen console considering that most of the games releasing this fall will be supported on current-gen consoles. As for next year, that won't be the case.

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I "still" have no reason to buy a next gen console in the fall. The whole reason to buy a console is to have an experience that you can't get anywhere else. I'm not interested in any exclusives in the fall. I could see myself getting a console for a really fun multiplayer game to play with friends but BF4 and COD: Ghosts both look like more of the same and Watch_Dogs looks great but I can get it on PC.. Titanfall and Destiny are the only two that have my interest in the spring so far but if I pass on both titles I can see myself waiting until Fall of 2014 before making a purchase. Fall of 2014 should offer Uncharted 4, The Division, Treyarch COD, Rainbox Six Patriots, a new Gears of War game, a new Halo game, and several other unannounced console exclusives.

For me I can see myself getting a ps4 later after launch, but as for the xbox one I have no interest in getting it. After Microsoft tried to make playing games so complicated. Something just tells me they're still going to screw people over in the end. Thinking about it gaming just seems like its becoming more expensive, and uncreative. Alot of the games shown at E3 for both ps4 and xbox one didn't impress me.

Titanfall and Destiny looks alright, but it seems like stuff we all seen plenty of times before. The Division just looks like another generic cover based shooter. Ryse looks nice but seems like a quick time focus beat em up. I don't know maybe I should see more of these games before I judge, but so far I feel like I already know how there going to turnout.