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#1 Edited by sciential (42 posts) -

Note that Mr. Samyn conflates the word "violent" as applied to video games, which describes actual violence (in a pretend environment, of course) with "violent behavior" which he does not need a study to prove because he has been the victim of a gamer lynch mob.

It is possible that he was at least physically threatened if not actually hanged or beaten or tarred by a mob of gamers. That would be violent behavior, indeed. I read it as more likely that people said mean shit to him on Twitter. Such behavior may have been "aggressive, intolerant, reactionary, and misogynistic" but it cannot be violent in the same sense as Call of Duty is violent.

I think the argument the video game industry reinforces a circle of violence that either attracts or natures a gamer audience of "belligerent hooligans" is nonsense. Take a look at the top selling movies and games of 2014.

Top 10 Retail Video Games of 2014 (Forbes)Rating and Violence Tags
Call of Duty: Advanced WarfareM - Blood and Gore, Intense Violence
Madden NFL 15E - None
DestinyT - Animated Violence
Grand Theft Auto 5M - Blood and Gore, Intense Violence
MinecraftE 10 + - Fantasy Violence
Super Smash Bros (for 3DS and Wii U)E 10 + - Cartoon Violence
NBA 2K15E - None
Watch DogsM - Blood, Intense Violence
FIFA 15E - None
Call of Duty GhostsM - Blood, Intense Violence

Top 10 Grossing Films of 2014Rating and Violence Tags
Guardians of the GalaxyPG13 - Intense sequences of sci-fi violence and action
The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 1PG13 - Intense sequences of violence and action
Captain America: The Winter SoldierPG13 - Intense sequences of violence, gunplay and action throughout
The Lego MoviePG - Mild Action
Transformers: Age of ExtinctionPG13 - Intense sequences of sci-fi violence and action
MaleficentPG - Sequences of fantasy action and violence
X-Men: Days of Future PastPG13 - Sequences of intense sci-fi violence and action
The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five ArmiesPG13 - Extended sequences of intense fantasy action violence
Big Hero 6PG - Action and peril
Dawn of the Planet of the ApesPG13 - Intense sequences of sci-fi violence and action

I submit that box office results are evidence that violent action as a means of solving conflict - especially a good guys versus bad guys conflict - is fun and people like it.

I understand that Mr. Samyn is upset that his game was a commercial failure, but I think if he honestly examines the evidence he'll come to realize that he shouldn't blame gamers for being "belligerent hooligans" who only like violence or his peers in the industry for making gamers that way. The game he made was just not very good.

#2 Posted by sciential (42 posts) -

I know I'm a little late to the party but there is zero blood from the gunshots. I didn't even think the show implied he was dead until I saw the reaction on the internets.

#3 Posted by sciential (42 posts) -

I remember talk of something like this two years ago and I'm glad to finally have a chance to help.

#4 Edited by sciential (42 posts) -

I thought Patrick did an amazing job in Spelunking with Scoops to both keep the commentary fun all by himself while playing the game very well.

#5 Posted by sciential (42 posts) -

@datajack: You hope "to hell" none of Ryan's friends or family see that some people regret that we can no longer have his contributions to Giant Bomb?

I agree that trying to speak for someone who can no longer speak for themselves in order to claim them for your side is pretty disgraceful, but I don't see anyone doing that. One of the mods suggested, "I think the main reason he's not around this year is because his main fan amongst the staff was Ryan," and that's a reasonable explanation. I'm worried more about fear of corporate pressure or the politics of that hashtag thing but if it was just indifference among the current editorial staff then that makes me miss Ryan's content and perspective even more than I already do. Please forgive me if my nostalgia is offensive in some way that I do not understand; no offense is intended.

#6 Posted by sciential (42 posts) -

@humanity: I think when you say "there is literally very little that is amusing or creative about his shtick" what you mean is "in my subjective option there is very little that is amusing or creative about his shtick". That's a long walk for the actual definition of "literally" to have to make.

I think he's a funny and talented writer who has a clear editorial voice - anti-elitist, pro fun violence - that speaks to a lot of duders and gamers and is underrepresented among the 2014 guest lists - especially in proportion to our numbers.

#7 Edited by sciential (42 posts) -

This damages my confidence in the direction of the site because it is hard not to imagine some pretty shitty reasons behind it. I hope the staff will at least address it.

#8 Posted by sciential (42 posts) -

The Christian Science Monitor reviews movies under the standards of their social issues or social preferences.

Nope.

#9 Posted by sciential (42 posts) -

@borklund said:

No more Vinny in regular Giant Bomb stuff?

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This.

Help me, Danny O'Dwyer. You're my only hope.

#10 Posted by sciential (42 posts) -

@bartz said:

Steam games are also intangible. For each game that Mr. Rohrer sells on steam, his marginal cost is exactly 0(since Steam pays for the bandwidth). Therefore he can theoretically produce and sell an infinite amount of the product since it costs nothing to produce(I'm not counting any contracts he's made to profit share since those are certainly percentage shares and therefore not applicable to this argument). So economically speaking, the world will best be served should he sell his product for as little as possible, generating the maximum amount of total surplus.

But the market for video games is not a ideal "perfect market" like you learn in Econ 101. Specifically, two of the perfect market assumptions are broken because the publisher has a monopoly for the specific game - for which there are only imperfect substitutes - and there are barriers to entry due to the significant sunk costs necessary for game development.

Rohrer (or any content-owner with a zero marginal cost good like a game) would indeed maximize the utility extracted from a given game by giving it away for free but it would not be rational economic behavior for them to do so. Unless, of course, Rohrer were artistically or philanthropically motivated and derived more personal utility from having the maximum number of people enjoy his game than he would from the money to be made from selling it to a fraction of them.

He's not giving it away but he is (ostensibly, at least) trading money for artistic satisfaction by refusing to engage in the profit-maximizing behavior that is typical of the way games are sold. A good in a perfectly competitive market is priced lower than what almost all consumers would be willing to pay. The difference is called "consumer surplus" and is the area below the demand curve and above the price on the left side of the supply and demand chart. The typical behavior in the game market is for the publisher to try to capture as much of that surplus as possible by selling the game for exactly what each consumer is willing to pay for it by gradually lowering the price in ways that the consumers cannot really anticipate - i.e. sales.

In this example, if the price is permanently fixed at $10 with the green supply curve (flat due to zero marginal costs), the blue rectangle is the money made by the merchant ($10 * 250,000 = $2.5 million), the maximum for the given blue OnePriceDemand curve. The red is the consumer surplus - happy consumers who (assuming perfect information, due to informative reviews and demos and such) knew they would enjoy the game more than the $10 they spent.

But when consumers believe that the game will eventually go on sale, the demand curve bows in. The extreme consumers - those who don't really care how much it costs and those who would only really play it for free don't change, but the ones in the middle are not willing to pay as much because they are willing to wait for a sale. The orange SalesDemand curve assumes (unrealistically) that the merchant can perfectly set a price for every single consumer. This gives the entire area under the orange curve to the merchant (about $3 million instead of $2.5 million) and leaves the consumers with zero surplus. No consumer is truly happy because they are each only marginally more happy than they would have been if they had kept their money - not ripped off but just barely worth it.

As always in economics, the real answer depends on details that are difficult to measure in reality. No one can perfectly capture the entire consumer surplus and in reality there would be a bunch of green lines at various sale price points with little red triangles above them. Depending on the shape of the lines it is possible for both consumers and the merchant to get more value by taking advantage of the white space under the orange line, giving the consumers a smaller share of a bigger pie. But even if that is true, the people who like the game the most are getting less utility in the sales model - it's just made up for by allowing a bunch of people who sort of like the game to sort of enjoy it because they got it on sale.

Assuming Rohrer is honest about his motivations (and this isn't just a PR scheme or a plan to maximize profits by trying to make the launch of a multi-player game bigger), I think he should be commended for wanting the people who like his game the best to get the most value out of it and being willing to leave money on the table to make it happen.

tl;dr

Pricing models with anticipated sales are good for some consumers and bad for others. The economics of a no-sales pricing model are likely bad for the publisher but good for the consumers who are most enthusiastic about a product, so good for Rohrer.

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