Continued to watch Saw Let's Play "Spoilers and more anger"

 "Upon saving the last victim left in the asylum, Tapp is left free to pursue Jigsaw, but encounters Pighead again in the process. Jigsaw informs Tapp that Pighead wishes to surpass Jigsaw and sabotage Tapp's game, so he must be stopped in order to proceed. Tapp then confronts and kills Pighead, which Jigsaw labels him a murderer for, in order to get a key to proceed. "   
 
Fuck you Saw. 
 
The Good ending is him not catching the killer and killing himself and the bad ending is him trying to catch the killer? 
 
Why the fuck is Jigsaw to be honored and sympathized with in this series?

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Posted by SethPhotopoulos

 "Upon saving the last victim left in the asylum, Tapp is left free to pursue Jigsaw, but encounters Pighead again in the process. Jigsaw informs Tapp that Pighead wishes to surpass Jigsaw and sabotage Tapp's game, so he must be stopped in order to proceed. Tapp then confronts and kills Pighead, which Jigsaw labels him a murderer for, in order to get a key to proceed. "   
 
Fuck you Saw. 
 
The Good ending is him not catching the killer and killing himself and the bad ending is him trying to catch the killer? 
 
Why the fuck is Jigsaw to be honored and sympathized with in this series?

Posted by Coombs

Because,  
In a world where everyone feels they are not getting what they think they deserve, 
Jigsaw shows them what it means To Deserve life itself.

Posted by FourWude
@Coombs said:
" Because,  In a world where everyone feels they are not getting what they think they deserve, Jigsaw shows them what it means To Deserve life itself. "
DEEP.
Posted by SethPhotopoulos
@Coombs
Because,  
In a world where everyone feels they are not getting what they think they deserve, 
Jigsaw shows them what it means To Deserve life itself.
I'm sure if the characters were written well enough then you could say that for reals.
Posted by Coombs
@SethPhotopoulos:  
 
You can say it for real, 
That is the basic principal that drives Jigsaw, It's why he does what he does. 
 
It's not DEEP or anything, 
It's just the basic plot of the series.
Posted by SethPhotopoulos
@Coombs
@SethPhotopoulos:  
 
You can say it for real, 
That is the basic principal that drives Jigsaw, It's why he does what he does. 
 
It's not DEEP or anything, 
It's just the basic plot of the series.
I know it's the plot and that's what he does but to me when I watch the movies and games it seems to celebrate what he's doing and the writing fails to make me sympathize with his actions or hate his victims
his character posses me off and not in a goodway
Posted by Getz

You're not supposed to sympathize with Jigsaw. He's a psychopath, who yes has some humanity to him, but ultimately kills (usually) decent people out of a twisted sense of morality.

Posted by SethPhotopoulos
@Getz
You're not supposed to sympathize with Jigsaw. He's a psychopath, who yes has some humanity to him, but ultimately kills (usually) decent people out of a twisted sense of morality.
They seemed to try to add to much humanity.
They also try to make him the batman of Saw.
The bad ending is Tapp trying to catch the killer while the good ending is Tapp not catching the guy who entrapped and endangered everyone and that's the cannon ending.
It seems to reinforce that Jigsaw is ultimately correct.
Sometimes when they write victims in the movies they are like. "This guys a killer so he's bad, cool? Cool.". But he never shows he's bad.
Edited by Coombs
@SethPhotopoulos:  @Getz said:

" You're not supposed to sympathize with Jigsaw. He's a psychopath, who yes has some humanity to him, but ultimately kills (usually) decent people out of a twisted sense of morality. "

This, 
 
And you don't need to hate his victims either, 
You simply need to understand that in some way they have taken life for granted and he is trying (in his psychotic way) to help them realize what a gift life is. 
He truly is a hero,  It's simply a case of "the ends not particularly justifying the means",  Depending on your personal sense of ethics of course.   
Posted by SethPhotopoulos
@Coombs
@SethPhotopoulos:  @Getz said:

" You're not supposed to sympathize with Jigsaw. He's a psychopath, who yes has some humanity to him, but ultimately kills (usually) decent people out of a twisted sense of morality. "

This, 
 
And you don't need to hate his victims either, 
You simply need to understand that in some way they have taken life for granted and he is trying (in his psychotic way) to help them realize what a gift life is. 
He truly is a hero,  It's simply a case of "the ends not particularly justifying the means",  Depending on your personal sense of ethics of course.   
And that is why I hate every movie after the first.
The writing fails to make me believe they deserve it
Posted by HistoryInRust
@SethPhotopoulos: That's because only the first is a legitimate film. The sequels are just capitalizing on the torture-porn ideals our society seems to fetishize.
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@SethPhotopoulos: Oh, a Saw LP? Is it worth a watch? How's the commentary?
Online
Posted by SethPhotopoulos
@ESREVER
@SethPhotopoulos: Oh, a Saw LP? Is it worth a watch? How's the commentary?
It's weird
like the puzzles are interesting but the commentator is romanian
Posted by Pinworm45
@Coombs said:
" @SethPhotopoulos:  @Getz said:

" You're not supposed to sympathize with Jigsaw. He's a psychopath, who yes has some humanity to him, but ultimately kills (usually) decent people out of a twisted sense of morality. "

You simply need to understand that in some way they have taken life for granted and he is trying (in his psychotic way) to help them realize what a gift life is.
His point is that the writing isn't good enough and every movie has utterly failed in this regard. He's entirely correct. I always find myself frustrated with Saw, because behind the retardedness that attracts the teenage audience they desire, I always felt like there was premise behind it, which was never even close to reached. Pity.