shiggity_shwa

Amazing group. Amazing memories. I’m so sad, but I’m hopeful these duders will continue making awesome things, no matter where they end up. These people have been such a big part of my life. All the best to them. I can’t thank GB enough for being with me for so long. It’s still here, I know. It’s in good hands. But this still hurts my heart.

@ThaKakarot: Your link proves my points exceptionally well. Anyone who has an intellect above that of a shoe will understand what I mean.

Prove you are smarter than a shoe.

@mrfluke said:

@TooWalrus said:

@TheSouthernDandy said:

@TooWalrus said:

@patrickklepek: Well, it's east coast midnight, I've only just got home from work, and it's 2,000 comments later, but I'd still like to throw in my two cents. This was a welcome change from your past few articles on this topic. It's cool to hear what women in the business have to say about sexism in the gaming industry- and hopefully even the biggest assholes in this thread wouldn't deny that the problem does, at least, exist. In this case, I can definitely understand the sexist undertones in this 'marketing tool.' There are really only two points I'd like you to consider, and this is just my opinion, and I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job or anything, these are just personal suggestions:

• First, I do feel like this particular incident has been blown out of proportion. What I mean is, this problem is industry wide, right? I think it would have been more compelling if you'd composite several instances of sexism in the industry, and presented it as a whole. I don't feel like it's right to dog-pile on Deep Silver if this issue runs so deep- especially since this statue could be potentially offensive for a few other reasons as well.
• Second, I'd just appreciate if you'd expand a little more about why you believe what you do. The issue that comes to mind is the Cyberpunk 2077 trailer, which you've called 'disgusting,' without really explaining why. I watched the trailer again, and the only real sexism issue I could imagine someone having is the manner in which they cyborg is dressed. Most girls I know personally wear swimsuits that show more skin that the cyborg lady, so when you imply that merely showing skin is sexist, I start to wonder where you draw the line between acceptable and sexist. I think that's what's leading some people to compare you with fundamental Muslims demanding every women be covered with a burqa, or digging up past actions to try to point out hypocrisy of some sort.

Nice post duder. Not saying I agree or disagree, just sayin nice post.

@mrfluke said:

quoting this up, cause i agree

Oh, thanks guys. I was pretty pleased when reading through the comments this morning to find that very few of the users I respect the most had fallen onto the mindless hate train.

lemme add another point to this good points that are going on here as patrick is online and checking the comments

what is so wrong in getting male industry people to speak out on this issue? if the gaming industry is so male focused, then wouldnt getting males to back up the females do a lot of good? if this stupid statue is supposed to be targeted for us males, then they think we are a bunch of savages, i bet if you show that to the call of duty dudebro crowd they wouldnt like it and thing its gross, i really think so.

this is going to sound sexist, but how much permanent change is going to happen with just the women, the minority audience, the auidence that this statue is not targeted for, do for sexism? its gotta be a combined effort from both genders to make it happen. and it seems you not getting the males to say anything just shows a feminist bias honestly.

im sorry if this sounds sexist and im downplaying womens role here, im just looking at it from a cold business angle, would really having the minority audience speak out? and having the targeted audience stay quiet, create permanent change? change the people in charge minds about things?

I think you're seeing what a lot of men think in these comments. I think you're seeing just how ignorant, hateful, and sexist a large portion of the audience is.

I agree that getting professional male viewpoints would not be a bad thing, but why does it matter that women have something to say about this? You say that the targeted audience is being left silent. 2000+ commenters disagree.

@Carousel: I'm not sure what part of my (overly long) comments you're referring to... That being said, I know I didn't say, or even imply, anything like what you're implying.

@Darji said:

@shiggity_shwa said:

@Darji said:

@shiggity_shwa said:

I created a GB account just to comment on this article. Or, more specifically, to comment on the comments. Scrolling through the comment section of this article filled me with such outrage, sadness, and hopelessness. This is simply an article for interested people to read (In other words, if you're not interested, don't read the damned article! No one is forcing "feminist propaganda" down your throat). The fact that the mere mention of sexism in gaming releases such hatred and patriarcal nonsense is proof positive that it's still a pervasive, important issue that really needs to be discussed.

As a man, it's easy for me to ignore sexism, and play off articles such as this as useless, because I'm not a victim of sexism (outside of companies like Deep Silver forming the lowest possible opinion of my intelligence). But as a human being, I simply cannot accept this kind of medieval mentality in a modern, supposedly 'enlightened' society.

If the idea of women being treated equally, and not being constantly represented as lifeless, sexed up husks, is so irritating to you that you have to release your vitriolic hatred on articles such as this, then you really should try saying some of these awful opinions to women's faces. See how far you get in life, being a half retarded, back woods, inbred, loser of a caveman, grunting at boobs and filling your home with plastic, mutilated torsos.

I'm ashamed of the gaming community. I'm ashamed of my gender. I'm ashamed that women are STILL entangled in a battle of inches, when it comes to equality. Keep your hatred in your parents' basement, and out of the civilized world. We'd all like to move on, and assholes like the ones commenting on this article, are the reason intelligent, enlightened people are stuck in the mud. Women are equal. Women have opinions. Women play games. Women are not treated equally in any part of the gaming industry, from creator, to consumer. You can try to refuse these realities, but it'll more than likely lead to a lonely, sad, pathetic existence. Have fun with that!

The problem is they are not... Woman today have far far more benefits than a man ever could have. For example child custody It does not even matter if the woman is an "asshole" to her child and does not care about it. If she wants the rights she will get it and with it she will get a lot of money. Same case with Jobs and employment rates. People now need to hire woman to fill a quote and it does not even matter if they are worse than the actual man that is also applying for this job. Why don't we have these quotes in female dominated jobs? Like in an hospital for example?And these are just a 2 examples of many many benefits woman have compared to man.

As long as people have benefits we will never archive any form of equality because someone will always be special treated. Same goes for racial benefits. As long these exist people will have have a set mind how woman are different from man or how black people are different from white people.

Back at the start of these groups it was the right thing to do but now we are not on this level anymore but as long as we always get in our face that woman and man or black and white people are different or need special care and attention we will archive NOTHING.

Thank you for reinforcing my arguments.

Women are given child custody because of patriarcal beliefs that they are natural caregivers, and more accustomed to child rearing, by their very nature. This isn't because of anti-male beliefs, so much as the assumption that women are here only to raise children. It's also worth nothing the vast majority of judges are male, which helps add to these verdicts.

There are no numbers, ANYWHERE, that suggest women are getting more jobs than men. There are, however, lots and lots of numbers that show women are still woefully underpaid for the work they do (as well as shamefully common sexual harassment in the workplace). There is not one single piece of legislature that forces employers to hire a certain number of women/minorities. Go ahead and look. There's nothing, Anywhere. On the planet. At all. There ARE equal employment companies, who can make the decision ON THEIR OWN to help employ women and minorities, because white men do not have the same issues getting jobs that others do.

Hospitals have primarily female employees because women are, again, presumed to be natural caregivers, so they get nursing jobs. However, the VAST majority of doctors, surgeons, board members, directors, and other higher up/higher paid positions are male. So there goes that part of your argument...

You are displaying typical patriarcal arguments, based solely on ignorance and a place of entitlement. You are saying things are better, even FINE, based on nothing. You display zero facts, zero numbers, zero studies, absolutely NOTHING to back up your arguments. You are just sick of hearing about this stuff, because, really, things SHOULD be better/fine/perfect by now. It's INSANE that things are still so bad. So you should check your facts, take a deep breath, and try putting yourself in someone else's shoes.

This all goes without mentioning the fact that between 20 and 25 percent of North American women suffer sexual abuse at the hands of a man. This all goes without saying that the Republican party is actively trying to take reproductive rights back to the 19th century. This all goes without saying that the most common cause of death in American women is spousal abuse, leading to death.

Open your eyes. The world ain't what you think it is...

Woman even get the custody of a child even if they dont care about the child and even if the child has a much stronger bond to the father. Even if they just want the money. All this patriarcal bullshit is stupid as hell. It should all benefit the child and if the woman is just I am sorry for this description: Lousy golddigger that just wants the kid because she is getting money through that than the whole system is a total failure: And these cases are not rare.

Job: So why get woman the benefit of a natural caregiver and men not the benefit of being the better businessmen? Again because of this patriarcal bullshit. Men can be as good as woman in this regard. If they are fitted for the job they should get tthe same chances.

Also you want numbers? Go to a university and there visit a library and read thesis after thesis about this topic. You dont really expect me here in a gaming forum to show you evidence how this patriarcal bullshit is just part of the problem?

Stop treating people different. Stop giving people benefits: Stop teaching your child that woman are special and that they need special treatment. because they do not. Stop saying never hit a woman. Start saying NEVER HIT ANYONE.

Also I am not saying to stop caring about domestic violence but stop only care about domestic Violence against woman. Go against any form of domestic Violence and it DOES NOT matter if the there is a higher percentage of woman that suffer from it. EVERY PERCENT is Wrong. EVERY SEXUAL ABUSE is wrong.

As long you try to make woman a special case nothing will ever change.

Over and over again, you're proving my points, so, in a strange way, I should thank you.

Your description of a woman who gets custody of her child is a "lousy golddigger" that "just wants money." I agree one hundred percent that unworthy people should not get custody of their child over a better candidate, but surely you can see how your jumping to the conclusion that all these women are selfish golddiggers is unfair, biased, and sexist. I'm not sure where you're getting your information on this, either. Maybe I'm an optimist, but I simply cannot believe that the majority of women divorcees are golddiggers, or unworthy parents. Even if this WERE the case, you're still proving my point that the assumption is that women are natural child rearers, and therefore get custody, even if it's not the right decision for the child. You're proving my point that patriarchy damages, absolutely.

Your second point is that A) It's ok to presume women are natural caregivers (it isn't), and B) Men should therefore be presumed to be better businessmen (they already are). Again, you're making incredibly sexist arguments, and proving my point, perfectly.

I don't need you to cite your sources, but you can't throw out blatantly incorrect statements, such as, "Women are employed more than men" without offering some kind of evidence. You pulled that statement out of your ass, it was wrong, and I called you out on it.

My journeys through university libraries have yet to yield row upon row of thesis' on the plight of the man. Usually, people will write their thesis based on facts, information, and provable concepts. While I am certain people have written their thesis on how much better they feel women have it than men (sometimes people like to take the opposite side of an argument to try and wrangle up interest), this is far from proof that women have it great, and men have the short end of the stick.

Your opinion on domestic violence is apt; all domestic violence is wrong. However, you added that percentages don't matter. I take issue with this concept on the sole basis that over 99% of spousal abuse is man on women violence. If it were closer to 50/50, or even the stupid "1 in 3 are women on man violence" lie Rush Limbaugh has somehow perpetrated, I might be more inclined to agree that the stats aren't important.

The issue here is men. Men can't seem to take responsibility for our own gender. Violent crimes. Rape. Abuse. Prejudice. Racism. Sexism. Gun deaths. Thefts. Drug dealing. Pimping. These, and many others, are by and large the crimes of men. There is CLEARLY something wrong with the way men are relating to the world around them. Why can't we just accept that, address the issue, and move on? Why do we have to deal with men constantly complaining about how "well" women have it, while they themselves are STILL the common element in a VAST quantity of todays issues? (Perfect example: blaming rape victims for being raped. This works under the assumption that men just RAPE, and we can't be held responsible for RAPING another HUMAN BEING, because it's just what we do! "She shouldn't have worn an attractive outfit at a BAR! How could I NOT rape her?!")

You, my friend, are a perfect example of this. You can't see the forest for the trees. You're so caught up in trying to feel bad for yourself, that you can't see reality for what it is. Personally, I think the most threatening epidemic in modern society is ignorance. Ignorance has become far too acceptable, and we are seeing the effects of it in your statements.

Seriously. You're a man. You're fine. No one is going to take away your rights. No one is going to make life hell for you. If anything, things are just going to get better and better for you, because (and here's the kicker) almost all major decision makers in this world are MEN.

@Darji said:

@shiggity_shwa said:

I created a GB account just to comment on this article. Or, more specifically, to comment on the comments. Scrolling through the comment section of this article filled me with such outrage, sadness, and hopelessness. This is simply an article for interested people to read (In other words, if you're not interested, don't read the damned article! No one is forcing "feminist propaganda" down your throat). The fact that the mere mention of sexism in gaming releases such hatred and patriarcal nonsense is proof positive that it's still a pervasive, important issue that really needs to be discussed.

As a man, it's easy for me to ignore sexism, and play off articles such as this as useless, because I'm not a victim of sexism (outside of companies like Deep Silver forming the lowest possible opinion of my intelligence). But as a human being, I simply cannot accept this kind of medieval mentality in a modern, supposedly 'enlightened' society.

If the idea of women being treated equally, and not being constantly represented as lifeless, sexed up husks, is so irritating to you that you have to release your vitriolic hatred on articles such as this, then you really should try saying some of these awful opinions to women's faces. See how far you get in life, being a half retarded, back woods, inbred, loser of a caveman, grunting at boobs and filling your home with plastic, mutilated torsos.

I'm ashamed of the gaming community. I'm ashamed of my gender. I'm ashamed that women are STILL entangled in a battle of inches, when it comes to equality. Keep your hatred in your parents' basement, and out of the civilized world. We'd all like to move on, and assholes like the ones commenting on this article, are the reason intelligent, enlightened people are stuck in the mud. Women are equal. Women have opinions. Women play games. Women are not treated equally in any part of the gaming industry, from creator, to consumer. You can try to refuse these realities, but it'll more than likely lead to a lonely, sad, pathetic existence. Have fun with that!

The problem is they are not... Woman today have far far more benefits than a man ever could have. For example child custody It does not even matter if the woman is an "asshole" to her child and does not care about it. If she wants the rights she will get it and with it she will get a lot of money. Same case with Jobs and employment rates. People now need to hire woman to fill a quote and it does not even matter if they are worse than the actual man that is also applying for this job. Why don't we have these quotes in female dominated jobs? Like in an hospital for example?And these are just a 2 examples of many many benefits woman have compared to man.

As long as people have benefits we will never archive any form of equality because someone will always be special treated. Same goes for racial benefits. As long these exist people will have have a set mind how woman are different from man or how black people are different from white people.

Back at the start of these groups it was the right thing to do but now we are not on this level anymore but as long as we always get in our face that woman and man or black and white people are different or need special care and attention we will archive NOTHING.

Thank you for reinforcing my arguments.

Women are given child custody because of patriarcal beliefs that they are natural caregivers, and more accustomed to child rearing, by their very nature. This isn't because of anti-male beliefs, so much as the assumption that women are here only to raise children. It's also worth nothing the vast majority of judges are male, which helps add to these verdicts.

There are no numbers, ANYWHERE, that suggest women are getting more jobs than men. There are, however, lots and lots of numbers that show women are still woefully underpaid for the work they do (as well as shamefully common sexual harassment in the workplace). There is not one single piece of legislature that forces employers to hire a certain number of women/minorities. Go ahead and look. There's nothing, Anywhere. On the planet. At all. There ARE equal employment companies, who can make the decision ON THEIR OWN to help employ women and minorities, because white men do not have the same issues getting jobs that others do.

Hospitals have primarily female employees because women are, again, presumed to be natural caregivers, so they get nursing jobs. However, the VAST majority of doctors, surgeons, board members, directors, and other higher up/higher paid positions are male. So there goes that part of your argument...

You are displaying typical patriarcal arguments, based solely on ignorance and a place of entitlement. You are saying things are better, even FINE, based on nothing. You display zero facts, zero numbers, zero studies, absolutely NOTHING to back up your arguments. You are just sick of hearing about this stuff, because, really, things SHOULD be better/fine/perfect by now. It's INSANE that things are still so bad. So you should check your facts, take a deep breath, and try putting yourself in someone else's shoes.

This all goes without mentioning the fact that between 20 and 25 percent of North American women suffer sexual abuse at the hands of a man. This all goes without saying that the Republican party is actively trying to take reproductive rights back to the 19th century. This all goes without saying that the most common cause of death in American women is spousal abuse, leading to death.

Open your eyes. The world ain't what you think it is...

I created a GB account just to comment on this article. Or, more specifically, to comment on the comments. Scrolling through the comment section of this article filled me with such outrage, sadness, and hopelessness. This is simply an article for interested people to read (In other words, if you're not interested, don't read the damned article! No one is forcing "feminist propaganda" down your throat). The fact that the mere mention of sexism in gaming releases such hatred and patriarcal nonsense is proof positive that it's still a pervasive, important issue that really needs to be discussed.

As a man, it's easy for me to ignore sexism, and play off articles such as this as useless, because I'm not a victim of sexism (outside of companies like Deep Silver forming the lowest possible opinion of my intelligence). But as a human being, I simply cannot accept this kind of medieval mentality in a modern, supposedly 'enlightened' society.

If the idea of women being treated equally, and not being constantly represented as lifeless, sexed up husks, is so irritating to you that you have to release your vitriolic hatred on articles such as this, then you really should try saying some of these awful opinions to women's faces. See how far you get in life, being a half retarded, back woods, inbred, loser of a caveman, grunting at boobs and filling your home with plastic, mutilated torsos.

I'm ashamed of the gaming community. I'm ashamed of my gender. I'm ashamed that women are STILL entangled in a battle of inches, when it comes to equality. Keep your hatred in your parents' basement, and out of the civilized world. We'd all like to move on, and assholes like the ones commenting on this article, are the reason intelligent, enlightened people are stuck in the mud. Women are equal. Women have opinions. Women play games. Women are not treated equally in any part of the gaming industry, from creator, to consumer. You can try to refuse these realities, but it'll more than likely lead to a lonely, sad, pathetic existence. Have fun with that!

@alibson: Women want equality, and don't like being portrayed as headless, limbless, fake tittied sluts being offered up as zombie bait, for the sole purpose of marketing.

Pretty "extreme propaganda"...

And PS: Go fuck yourself, because no woman will, as long as you have mutilated female torsos on your mantle. Enjoy beating off to a disgusting plastic statue, you stain on humanity.