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I've not noticed him using the word "too often" so he must be using it properly.

I was so confused, I thought you were joking saying Dan literally says "too often" a lot. Then I re-read the thread title with that intention in mind, and the f-bomb suddenly became a verb, as if implying he says "TOO FUCKING OFTEN" or something.

Then I realized you emphasized too often to state he doesn't use F-bombs that much. I'm an idiot.

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#2  Edited By SomeDeliCook

Fuck you

Literally, the best

Literally, the worst

God... DAMNIT

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Retail sucks. I eer on the side of empathizing with everyone in this situation though. So sure, from what you're saying those people sound like assholes, but you never know what their home like is life or what there current situation is. To use an example, in 8th grade I missed about 40 days of school and teachers took it as me being a slack off/lazy, but in reality I was battling with pretty crippling anxiety and depression and had no idea how to deal with it other than to lock myself away and pretend to be sick. So unless you know them personally, you can never really know what caused them to do this. People aren't usually evil bastards who do shit to just hurt people, but rather there is an underlying issue causing the problem.

Of course that may not be the case, but I choose empathy over blind hatred (I've seen people who live their lives filled with hate and contempt for everyone and everything, and I don't think I could go on like that). The world isn't black and white. Sometimes it isn't as simple as good vs bad. Actually, most of the time it isn't. That's my take on this.

If you knew more of the story, you'd see they aren't victims of circumstance. These are straight up lazy people gaming the system or people that are just rude in general. Having a bad home life sucks, understandable, but taking that shit out on innocent people that gave you the privilege of having a job so you don't have to work is inexcusable. The employers have tried to reason when they could, they aren't just blindly firing people left and right because they sneezed and didn't wash their hands or something.

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@splodge said:

Not really trying to say anything bad, just giving an example of how it works elsewhere and yup, your situation is nasty as shit. Could they hire a PI to prove they arent looking for work?

Ignorantly speaking, but I would think at that point your paying more for the PI than all the unemployment combined, including the higher taxes you would have to pay.

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@manmadegod said:

I'm sure the owners will lose in court.

My soon to be retired father is an executive at his company and he doesn't bother fighting unemployment claims anymore, he just pays up. The courts in New York are so heavily biased against companies it's shocking. No joke, he has documented employees coming to work heavily intoxicated MULTIPLE TIMES and they win unemployment. The unions fight for every worker, even those that show up late 20+ days in a 2 month period. It's disgusting. Running your own business in America is not all it's cracked up to be, and some wonder why "mom and pop" shops are going under in favor of mega corporations like Wal-Mart.

It makes you wonder why you should even bother hiring people. Even people you know will try to take advantage and someone you just meet can seem all nice and friendly in the interview and have a good clean record of jobs but then turn out terrible.

My wife and I always thought about opening our own little tiny bakery that we run ourselves (we know a couple that do this, the only employee they have is their daughter and they are only open 5 hours a day from monday through saturday). Then we hear horror stories like wheelchair accessibility claims or people purposefully 'injuring' themself and still winning lawsuits.

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@tycobb said:

@somedelicook said:

@troll93 said:

Wait, in the US do your previous employers have to pay unemployment benefits or are these all "Unjustified Dismissal" and works comp law suits?

Here, you have up to 2 years of leaving your previous job to file for unemployment. You get up to 2 full years of getting paid as if you were working your previous job; so basically whatever wages you got is what your previous employer has to pay you..... to not work at all. Theoretically you use this time as a cushion to finding your next job, but the majority slack off until the last couple of months.

You don't get your previous wages. You get a calculated amount which caps at $450 a week. It's all based on how much you made and how long you have been with the company (length doesn't factor price, but term of unemployment I believe).

http://www.edd.ca.gov/pdf_pub_ctr/de1275a.pdf

Page 7 has the start of the table.

I stand corrected.

I don't know all the full financial details or anything; I just know how ludicrous it all is and how easy it is for people to win.

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@troll93 said:

Wait, in the US do your previous employers have to pay unemployment benefits or are these all "Unjustified Dismissal" and works comp law suits?

Here, you have up to 2 years of leaving your previous job to file for unemployment. You get up to 2 full years of getting paid as if you were working your previous job; so basically whatever wages you got is what your previous employer has to pay you..... to not work at all. Theoretically you use this time as a cushion to finding your next job, but the majority slack off until the last couple of months.

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@tycobb said:

Maybe it differs by state, but I could have sworn the labor board or unemployment service called the previous employer to find out why they were let go. The reason the employer gives determines if the former employee is actually eligible for unemployment. In California, if you are fired you don't get it. If you are laid off, you do. You also don't get it if you are still employed which of course seems to go against one of the employees in your story.

I am shocked that those weren't turned down. May I ask what state this is? In California, employers pay for unemployment for the employee while they are working there and not something that is paid after the fact like worker's comp which would really screw over hard working mom and pops; not sure if other states work differently.

It is California, actually. All the claims have gone through and required the owners to either pay or contest. So yeah, fired, laid off, employee quit, whatever, doesn't matter. There's so much information online on how to get unemployment it doesn't matter. The court seems to always favor the employee because - hey - its not the government's money they are getting.

None of the employees actually got another job after this one btw. Maybe I typed it confusingly, but yeah, none of them have worked since.

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@sanity said:

Fact is not many people really want to work or even know what work is, im going to sound like a dork, but i fear for our generation. No one wants to help themselves anymore and everyone runs away at the slightest bit of criticism. Fucking country is in a bad place if things don't shape up. Its just a shame that good people are taken advantage of like this, unemployment is a joke anymore because they have more claims then they can handle and its easier and quicker to accept most of the claims then wade through all the damn paperwork to sort it out. Hope things get better for your friends, though its hard to find good people in the retail sector.

Tell me about it. I know people that are seniors and are retired - RETIRED! - who work more than people my age who also have kid(s) that are suppose to be taken care of. Whatever happened to ask not what the country can do for you, but what you can do for your country? The new saying will be "How much do you want to sit back and relax?"

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