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#1  Edited By SpaceInsomniac

@somejerk said:

This news has gone around for a while and nobody will confirm this any way but anonymously. If EA ends up a 99-100% no-show on the PS4 section then that's more than enough proof.

Yep. This rumor will be "confirmed" by E3 itself. And if that does seem to be the way things are going down, I hope journalists do their job and push for answers.

I'm not really upset with MS for doing this--as was said, it's just business--but I absolutely feel that gamers themselves should be pissed at any company who would take the money. Hiding away certain versions of your product would be doing a rather large disservice to your customers.

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To be more specific, Microsoft is allegedly paying publishers to not show any PS4 versions of their multiplatform titles.

I mentioned the other day that I was hearing rumors of Microsoft throwing around a considerable amount of money to have publishers only show games on the Xbox One during E3. Most people dismissed my admittedly flakey news as 'that's what always happens.'

I've talked to more people since then though and this isn't the usual jostling for publishers on stage that happens at E3. Microsoft is throwing BIG money around to reverse course on idea that they aren't a games console. The rumors are that PS4 versions of multiplats, by those who do take the money, won't be shown AT ALL. Not on stage and not on the show floor.

I don't feel bad for Sony because business is business. I'm sure they will find a way to have a decent show... or they will have to recover afterwards. That's not really my concern.

Now, there's no need to take my word on this if you don't want to. But do keep an eye on E3 next week. With them buying up everything in sight and now potentially cutting an open roundtable out(to assumedly talk one on one with friendly press) and word that finding multiplat games on the ps4 on the show floor will be much harder than anticipated.... just keep an eye on it. Maybe my sources are wrong. But I feel confident enough in this info to share it.

I'm not saying to jump to conclusions. I'm just saying it may be something to keep an eye on.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=577741

Just a rumor at this point, but if you hear a lot of "we're not talking about other platforms right now" nonsense from 3rd party publishers at E3, or you don't see very many non-exclusive titles that are running on PS4 hardware, this might be why.

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#3  Edited By SpaceInsomniac

@salarn said:

@yetiantics: I voted 'None of this bothers me in the least.' because most of the choices were inaccurate based on partial information.

24 hour check in, if I don't have internet for longer than 24 hours I either have bigger problems or in a situation where having a xb1 is not important.

Other than that, don't care one bit about being able to resell my games since steam is the same way.

Care to explain? I tried to be objective with the wording of the choices.

And YOU having internet is just half the equation when it comes to logging into Xbox Live. I mean Hell, Xbox Live went down just a few days after that whole Adam Orth twitter stupidity, which just couldn't be a better example of just how flawed and needlessly restrictive this system will be.

Finally, Steam is the same way with DIGITAL TITLES, and Steam allows you to play OFFLINE. When you find someone complaining about XBLA games and the inability to sell them, then you just go ahead and make all the Steam comparisons you want.

@saethir said:
@mariachimacabre said:

F. The idea that, once they turn the servers off, I no longer own the inevitable thousands of dollars worth of games I bought for that system is the strongest reason I have for not buying one.

This easily. Me having a stable internet connection isn't going to do fuck all when they turn the servers off.

Well that's just the thing games aren't things you buy anymore they are services the days of archiving the previous generation are gone. You play the games while they are relevant and then you're done. That's the industry now.

Fuck that. That's not how the industry is NOW, it's how the industry will be THEN. The question is if gamers should allow THEN to take place before game companies get rid of physical media, and the answer is NO.

If I own a physical object, I better be able to use it as long as I have the hardware that is used to play it, and I better be able to sell, loan, trade, or borrow it like any other physical object. You want to sell me a digital title, then I won't have these expectations.

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@mtcantor said:

I'm a lawyer. First sale doctrine only applies to physical objects. So you have the right to resell that disc, but Microsoft doesn't have to honor that sale. Likewise you don't have the right to resell your XBLA purchases.

Exactly.

Is Microsoft doing something that is illegal? No, and I've never suggested that.

Is Microsoft legally circumventing the original intent of the first-sale doctrine? Yes.

Is that something that I would call anti-consumer? Absolutely.

Will I buy an Xbox One? Not unless Microsoft changes their policies, especially if there are less restrictive options available.

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#5  Edited By SpaceInsomniac

@spaceinsomniac said:

@connerthekewlkid said:

@spaceinsomniac said:

@ez123 said:

@spaceinsomniac: You're comparing it to domestic abuse when it's just someone weighing the pros and cons and deciding to buy something. "Criticizing" , come on now.

@connerthekewlkid said:
@spaceinsomniac said:

@ogred said:

If Kameo 2 is a launch title all will be forgiven.

When I see people saying things like this, I can't help but think of domestic abuse comparisons.

"Oh Mama, I know he sometimes hits me, but he's not all bad. Just look at these earrings he bought me!"

I am screen capping this, and PMing you this exactly one year from now to see if you regret relating the X-bone to domestic abuse.

I'm comparing one person justifying actions that hurt them, with another example of someone justifying actions that hurt them. I am NOT comparing severity, or importance, or anything else, other than comparing one form of apologist to another form of apologist.

365 days from now, I'm pretty sure I'm still not going to be happy with any company who manipulated the system to essentially rob me of my property rights, so I guess I'll see you in a year.

One is about your videogames and ones about physical abuse,

No shit.

But yet you think that its okay because "There the same general idea"

They're not at all the same general idea. Again, the only similarity here is the justification, but if you and two or three others want to keep bumping this thread because "OMG, he thinks that DRM is the same thing as hitting women!" be my guest.

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@spaceinsomniac said:

@ez123 said:

@spaceinsomniac: You're comparing it to domestic abuse when it's just someone weighing the pros and cons and deciding to buy something. "Criticizing" , come on now.

@connerthekewlkid said:
@spaceinsomniac said:

@ogred said:

If Kameo 2 is a launch title all will be forgiven.

When I see people saying things like this, I can't help but think of domestic abuse comparisons.

"Oh Mama, I know he sometimes hits me, but he's not all bad. Just look at these earrings he bought me!"

I am screen capping this, and PMing you this exactly one year from now to see if you regret relating the X-bone to domestic abuse.

I'm comparing one person justifying actions that hurt them, with another example of someone justifying actions that hurt them. I am NOT comparing severity, or importance, or anything else, other than comparing one form of apologist to another form of apologist.

365 days from now, I'm pretty sure I'm still not going to be happy with any company who manipulated the system to essentially rob me of my property rights, so I guess I'll see you in a year.

One is about your videogames and ones about physical abuse,

No shit.

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#7  Edited By SpaceInsomniac

@ez123 said:

@spaceinsomniac: You're comparing it to domestic abuse when it's just someone weighing the pros and cons and deciding to buy something. "Criticizing" , come on now.

@connerthekewlkid said:
@spaceinsomniac said:

@ogred said:

If Kameo 2 is a launch title all will be forgiven.

When I see people saying things like this, I can't help but think of domestic abuse comparisons.

"Oh Mama, I know he sometimes hits me, but he's not all bad. Just look at these earrings he bought me!"

I am screen capping this, and PMing you this exactly one year from now to see if you regret relating the X-bone to domestic abuse.

I'm comparing one person justifying actions that hurt them, with another example of someone justifying actions that hurt them. I am NOT comparing severity, or importance, or anything else, other than comparing one form of apologist to another form of apologist.

365 days from now, I'm pretty sure I'm still not going to be happy with any company who manipulated the system to essentially rob me of my property rights, so I guess I'll see you in a year.

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#8  Edited By SpaceInsomniac

@ez123 said:

@spaceinsomniac said:

@ogred said:

If Kameo 2 is a launch title all will be forgiven.

When I see people saying things like this, I can't help but think of domestic abuse comparisons.

"Oh Mama, I know he sometimes hits me, but he's not all bad. Just look at these earrings he bought me!"

What?

Heaven forbit people buy a console for a game they really want.

Example one: "I have no problem with any of these DRM issues, and I can't wait to play a certain exclusive title."

Example two: "I have a serious problem with this DRM crap being forced on us, but in the end it won't matter if there is a game I really want to play."

I'm criticizing the second example, not the first.

@ogred said:

@spaceinsomniac: to be truthful, i wouldn't tolerate the amount of shit this console has attached to it no matter the exclusives/launch games.

Glad to hear it, but only because you personally dislike the restrictions that Microsoft's DRM will force upon you, not because everyone needs to agree with me. Again, see example one.

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@ogred said:

If Kameo 2 is a launch title all will be forgiven.

When I see people saying things like this, I can't help but think of domestic abuse comparisons.

"Oh Mama, I know he sometimes hits me, but he's not all bad. Just look at these earrings he bought me!"

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#10  Edited By SpaceInsomniac

@kp1a268 said:

On Steam, things like not being able to give people games and needing to be online (although a lot less than once a day) are accepted without much complaint. Why is this different when it comes to a console?

I posted this in my Xbox One DRM poll, so I might as well copy/paste it here.

As for this being "just like steam," that's simply not the case. XBLA is "just like steam," not Xbox One.

XBLA titles are sold digitally, have lower prices than retail titles, CAN BE PLAYED OFFLINE, and are purchased with the understanding that the game you purchase is not a physical product that can be resold, loaned, borrowed, or given.

Xbox One titles will be sold at retail, will come on physical discs, will have retail game prices, will NOT be able to be played offline, and at first will almost certainly be purchased by many people with the mistaken idea that they are purchasing a physical product that can be resold, loaned, borrowed, or given.

All rather large differences.